Cities lose money on stadiums...alot of money and the revenue does not make it break even.

Please educate us all how you possibly know what the payout would be. As I said, not a single business owner I know that would be affected had any return communication when they reached out. It's a poorly articulated plan with little to no details shared.

Nah, it's mutually beneficial or they wouldn't do it and it's done by a vote of the people. Also, a sales tax is the fairest tax of all, especially when it is spent on a revenue generating purpose. Also, if you think they wouldn't have a similar sales tax % if the Chiefs/Royals left for some other purpose, you are naive.

We talking about Kansas City after 2014-15 and Kansas City the last six years with Mahomes, or are we talking about Cleveland and Detroit?

I’ve seen the “studies” that state this and the numbers are flawed. There’s a reason cities fall all over themselves to bring in pro sports teams and it isn’t because they lose money on it.

The last lease extension/renovation vote failed the first time, too.

I know people around here (not you particularly) love to predict doom and gloom, but the Royals and Chiefs aren't moving to another city tomorrow if it doesn't pass.... they can submit another proposal or work with another county.

It's seven ****ing years away.

They haven't gotten the whole plan yet. Gotta have the vote first but they would be bought out. Thats how its done and has been done everywhere.

Tulsa with better bbq

KC didn't become a big city because of sports lol infact during most of the time the sports teams were here the city shrunk in population

The fact that you'd vote yes to give billions without knowing even half the plan is all I need to know.

Maybe some of the sorry ass no voters will die off or move out. ****ing pathetic ass Jackson county fighting against keeping the two teams in the city.

KC tenants can **** right off.

Chiefs give us a dynasty and what do the citizens say? **** off and **** the stadium we own.

Aren't you the resident old ****?

This is all true. I will not predict doom and gloom, but it will be troubling sign if it fails.

I would just assume to put this thing to bed and focus on winning Super Bowls. The Royals are putting in a billion dollars, so while the plan is far from perfect, I think it is reasonable.

Do we really want KC to miss out on a Taylor Swift billion dollar tour seven years from now? :)

These are the early votes spaz. Ever watched an election unfold? There’s plenty of time for this to pass and KC to ascend to St Louis/Chicago/Minneapolis status!

Because those cities = good
Tulsa = bad

End of the day though, I'd probably vote yes if I lived there.... because it guarantees the Chiefs will be in KC until Mahomes retires.

Sure... a modern day baseball stadium won't fit in the proposed site, much less the baseball village thing.

Sure... the Chiefs are using millions of dollars to upgrade a walking bridge and tear out a bunch of prime lower level seats so they can make even more money.

Sure... the Royals have been a trash franchise for all but 2 years in the past 30+.

Sure... these assholes are probably bluffing and would come back with a far better plan in a couple years.

....buuuut..... Mahomes? Hell, I'd write him a check for $200/year until he retires with the Chiefs.

Apparently so. Because of a shitty little tax that barely anyone ever talked about. Stupid ass people

Perception is reality most of the time. Take away the Chiefs and the Royals, and KC is viewed as a fly-over town like Des Moines, Omaha and Little Rock. No denying that.

But but but what will people who don’t live here think about us???

There's a chance he retires before the renovations. 2031 puts him at what? Year 14?

Here's a metastudy looking at 130 individual studies of the subject spanning over 30 years. The conclusion is overwhelming.

What exactly about the numbers is flawed?

Omaha & Little Rock have a higher growth rate than KC


* So does Des Moines

Sure the hell will be due to a bunch of sorry ass tightwads.

The State of Missouri hates success.

He'd only be 35... that's still at least 5 SBs in the tank.

And KC gets Taylor Swift concerts and the World Cup....because we are a major league city. Perception vs reality.

Which is why Arrowhead 2.0 at the legends and Royals Park in OP KS makes so much sense!

I'm sure Omaha doesn't get any concerts LMAO

Look at Vegas as an example. They had zero reason to want a franchise and now they have two, and possibly a third.

I'd go out on a limb to assume it's highly lucrative for those involved and the city officials who so badly want new stadiums, but not so much for the city or residents.

Do you want Taylor Swift concerts or to be like Tulsa? You better give the franchise who's had like 4 winning seasons in your life billions

If this doesn't pass, the residents of KC are really going to regret it. As someone who experienced the devastating loss of the Chargers who moved out of SD, it really damaged the city's economy as a whole and ruined their fanbase. SD fans hate LA and they will never root for an LA based sports team. The loss of fanbase within the state of Misouri cannot be understated.

This vote doesn't mean they will move people need to stop repeating this lie

Of the city itself? Even if both teams relocate: doubtful.

second batch of results dropped from Jackson County. Updated results show:

Yes: 39%
No: 61%

No has 61% of the vote with 14% reporting.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UPDATE: 8:25 p.m. | With a little more than 14,000 ballots counted so far in Jackson County, the &quot;No&quot; vote is taking in 61 percent compared to 39 percent who voted &quot;yes.&quot; Updates continue: <a href="https://t.co/yCUBkW8sC0">https://t.co/yCUBkW8sC0</a> <a href="https://t.co/jW2sCveJKe">pic.twitter.com/jW2sCveJKe</a></p>&mdash; KSHB 41 News (@KSHB41) <a href="https://twitter.com/KSHB41/status/1775334601042411584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We have the first batch of results from Kansas City:

Yes: 42%
No: 58%

Shit! I’m so scared we’re gonna turn into Springfield now!

It opens the door, and history has shown that teams move in these situations.

How long before KC Chiefs fan claims rigged election? Look at all the libural rural parts voting No!

They would need to proceed in 12-18 months to reach a deadline of a new stadium in 6-7 years. They would have another vote in another county/state, new plans, etc.

Not looking good. 58% no with 14% of the vote in per fox4.

Goodbye Royals.

Welcome to Johnson County, Chiefs.

What does it mean?
Mark Donovan made it clear that the team will seriously look at relocating if the ballot doesn't pass.
Obviously the Hunt family can't afford to build a new stadium on their own so they need help from the taxpayers. Arrowhead needs major interior renovations, badly. It's too outdated for a modern NFL franchise. If the taxpayers say NO, the team has no other choice.

No it doesn't the teams still have 7 more years on their lease

Well they are approaching parity in terms of bodily harm and property crimes.

Fiscally responsible Americans that know Shermy isn’t gonna build a winner and doesn’t deserve their 3/8th of a cent

KC is practically St Joe if they don’t build Big John’s Dream

You think the city residents are better off without the teams. Are you insane. Those teams are everything in this city. You wanna be Little Rock AR?

So what? Thats hardly some liferime.

Isn't KC currents stadium privately funded

No is out to a big early lead with 20% reporting. 59-41.

The more one looks into the topic, it becomes clear that it's a pretty sturdy limb. These types of financials are generally always public, so there's a great deal of real world data to back it up. The economic boost claims are hot air. But as the study mentions, regardless of the obviously negative numbers it still keeps happening. There's certainly the worry that if KC doesn't bend over and take a few pokes in the ass, there's plenty of other cities who gladly would regardless of what the economics say.

Boston, NY, Chicago, Miami, Bay Area / Northern California, Los Angeles.


Maybe you lump in the Texas Triad as one but pretty much everywhere else in the US is "flyover country."

Would be nice to know what part of the vote is early vote and what parts of Jackson Co

Exactly. The deadline is now and people are ****ing stupid to think they can vote no and keep them. Ot won't happen.

holding fairly steady at 59-41 no with each new batch dropped.

The Overland Park Chiefs are my favorite professional football team

I like the Kansas City Kansas Hawks the best!

Overland Park Chiefs

Shit sorry I meant to say the Tulsa Tomahawks are my favorite NFL team!!

You don’t get to “stick it to the billionaires” AND keep the teams. That’s not how this racket works. Because some other city will step in and say “thank you very much” as soon as they have the opportunity.

The choice is between keeping the (marginal) tax money in your pocket or having the teams. Whatever people value more is up to them. But that is the choice here.

How about we name them after the County instead?

The Dotte Originals!

KC Dotteheads??

I was specifically responding to the economic impact for a city, not the feels.

Those two years when the Royals were good, I soaked that shit in like nothing ever before... and I've been back for a few AFCCGs and shit, I spent a weekend in KC just to watch the SB with some friends a couple months ago.

And I'm a big fan of downtown stadiums, even though I'm pretty sure my life would go on if the Royals moved from KC.

I'd very much prefer the Chiefs stick around for another ~15-20 years though (and I wouldn't care if it's on the Kansas side)

lol this probably would have easily passed if they didn't insist on the crossroads being the spot

72% in, still 59-41 no, per KMBC website. It is not gonna pass.

The KCK Legends once the stadium is built at 118th and State Ave

This is it honestly

Don't think for a second they won't move the team, they moved here from Dallas.

LMAO

The perfect spot to watch my favorite football team!!

I’ll miss the industrial park though

Or if they didn’t go East village then north kc then east village then crossroads

The royals deserve all the blame for the way this was rolled out. Even if they picked the crossroads from the start and gave a consistent message this thing would pass

Move the CHUEFS to Saint Joe!!!

Never underestimate the fear of a Kansas Citian not being able to find a place to park.

City doesn't deserve the teams. Shitty ****ing sorry ass voters spitting in the face of its teams. Chiefs have a dynasty and its **** you. Sorry ass mother ****ers.

Chiefs to the Legends. The Legends are killing it with the newly announced amusement park.

I'm biased because I live 15 minutes away.

Go Chiefs!

It’ll be really funny to listen to local sports radio shame the voters tomorrow

The Chargers moved out of SD. A major metropolitan area with a huge fanbase at the time. Residents of SD lived in denial and never conceived the thought they would relocate. Yet they did.