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Red Dawg 09-09-2023 11:05 AM

Gut feeling on Toney hasn't changed. We got good stuff from him but it will be short lived. SB hero for sure but not a long term guy here.

Red Dawg 09-09-2023 11:14 AM

James was not a bum for the Giants so that tool can suck it and Toney got a ring. He did pretty good. With that being said Andy's love affair with Toney will be over if he drops a few more balls. He better shape up and play better or his career will be over.

RunKC 09-09-2023 11:19 AM

He was getting open. He just had the yips.

Kadarius Toney led all WRs last night in average separation on his routes ran. He was averaging 3.1 yards of separation. It shows he was creating space and getting open.

Megatron96 09-09-2023 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17097734)
Drops aside, is KT even healthy enough to play? I would think that many drops is an outlier but he also looked real slow.



He was open a lot. And with plenty of separation. He just didn't hang onto the ball.

And he's had a couple poor games before in that department, but nothing on this level. Not even close. His worst previous performance was 50%, so basically he was MVS for a day.

I think KT will be fine.


And if he doesn't get sorted, well, he only cost KC a 3rd and a 6th, right?

ToxSocks 09-09-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17097439)
daaaaaaammnnn.

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**** this shit bag pos. I hope KT goes off next week and for the rest of the season.

TEX 09-09-2023 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 17098210)
**** this shit bag pos. I hope KT goes off next week and for the rest of the season.

Wont matter. He already totally ****ed up on the biggest stage other than the playoffs. Cost his team the game. Nothing he does will make up for it to Giants fans. To them, this cancels out his big time plays he made in the Super Bowl.

Chief Pagan 09-09-2023 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17098127)
He was getting open. He just had the yips.

Kadarius Toney led all WRs last night in average separation on his routes ran. He was averaging 3.1 yards of separation. It shows he was creating space and getting open.

Sheeish, 3.1 yards. That is the sort of number that backs up why I keep saying he could be a WR1 for 10 or 12 regular season games when healthy.

And imagine the defense trying to keep up with him if Kelce had been playing?

Hammock Parties 09-09-2023 01:18 PM

Andy Reid rehabilitated a dog killer. If he can't fix Toney's drop problems he's a lost cause.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-09-2023 01:30 PM

Come to think of it, he DID look kinda lazy on that SB punt return.

Wallcrawler 09-09-2023 02:10 PM

The hot takes in this thread are going to age well.

The guy dropped a couple passes. In case you don't remember, Tyreek Hill was notorious for this shit. Tyreek absolutely screwed us in a game against the Bills with tip drill Hill antics.

I wonder why Andy Reid's let's say eh....questionable decisionmaking isn't getting eviscerated as badly as KT.

3rd down in a football game with a sputtering offense and he takes the football out of Patrick Mahomes hands and places it in Blake Bell's instead.

What?

Repeatedly slamming his head against the wall handing off to Clyde on first down. If you want to run on first down, PACHECO. Pacheco, Andy. For ****S sake.

How many times do we need to see Clyde put us behind schedule? To me, this is MORE egregious, because it's literally been happening for years.

Why can't this legendary offensive mind convert "and 1" downs? Give me 3rd and 25 any day over and 1. It's embarrassing.

It does explain though, why we didn't go for it on the 4th and shorts that led to field goals, because we simply cannot function in short yardage without looking like a reerun trying to **** a doorknob.

Bottom line, if KT just swats his passes down we win. But a better job managing the previous quarters of football, we aren't even in this position to start with.

Shockingly, on a team that was not ready to come out and play championship football, it was the defense minus greedy **** 95 that was by far the most impressive. Holding the Lions to just 14 points on offense was not something I expected.

notorious 09-09-2023 02:18 PM

"I think it's time y'all dropped it".


-Kadarius Toney

Pinchshot 09-09-2023 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoes (Post 17096984)
I'm way more worried about Skyy Moore than Toney to be honest. That was likely Toney's worst game of football he has ever played at any level of football and I'm pretty confident he'll bounce back. Wouldn't be surprised if they scheme him up an early screen next game to get his hands back going. Lost his confidence last night but his entire career he's been a solid hands catcher.

Skyy Moore had a full training camp, no injuries and was largely ineffective in his 45 plays last night which led all receivers.

Skyy is a bust. The faster Andy goes to Rice and Ross the better.

Sure-Oz 09-09-2023 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17098243)
Wont matter. He already totally ****ed up on the biggest stage other than the playoffs. Cost his team the game. Nothing he does will make up for it to Giants fans. To them, this cancels out his big time plays he made in the Super Bowl.

Who gives a shit about giants fans

PunkinDrublic 09-09-2023 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17097439)
daaaaaaammnnn.

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Chiefs winning a Super Bowl was karma for Dabol stealing Andy’s coach of the year award.

Hammock Parties 09-09-2023 02:55 PM

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Megatron96 09-09-2023 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17098426)

Lol, here we go


Tell me, how many drops did he have last season? Not the percent, the raw number?

Pasta Little Brioni 09-09-2023 03:32 PM

Kadropius Phoney?

notorious 09-09-2023 03:32 PM

The G-Spots had 3 of the top 4 drop WR's?

That's hilarious. ROFL

rfaulk34 09-09-2023 04:47 PM

https://scontent.fosu2-2.fna.fbcdn.n...fA&oe=6501AE60

kevrunner 09-09-2023 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17098433)
Lol, here we go


Tell me, how many drops did he have last season? Not the percent, the raw number?

I read Toney had 2 drops on 28 targets last year. Here’s the link:

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/list...ncaaf-seasons/

RINGLEADER 09-09-2023 05:15 PM

Toney had (obviously) a bad game. But he was targeted on a huge percentage of plays and if he makes any of those catches we win. I think he bounces back. I’ve seen the talent.

Skyy Moore? Not so much…

Kiimo 09-09-2023 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17098426)

This dumb graphic includes the drops Thursday. If you don't include those he's not on this list

Couch-Potato 09-09-2023 05:48 PM

his rap career's taking off tho

Megatron96 09-09-2023 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 17098537)
I read Toney had 2 drops on 28 targets last year. Here’s the link:

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/list...ncaaf-seasons/



2 whole drops. Guess we can write him off now, lol.

kevrunner 09-09-2023 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17098595)
2 whole drops. Guess we can write him off now, lol.

One fluke game is making his career drop ratio look awful since his career target total is so low.

Fat Elvis 09-09-2023 06:52 PM

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GloryDayz 09-09-2023 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17097435)
If Chris Jones feels less significant today. I really don't mind so much. It will work out

He should.

Chiefshrink 09-09-2023 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 17098638)

Dude looks like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Sassy Squatch 09-09-2023 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17098752)
Dude looks like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Uhh....

FlaChief58 09-09-2023 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17098752)
Dude looks like Jeffrey Dahmer.

I'm guessing that was the intent

Chiefshrink 09-09-2023 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17098756)
Uhh....

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 17098757)
I'm guessing that was the intent

Sorry fellas, it's been a long day for a 61 y.o. today. :doh!:

RaidersOftheCellar 09-09-2023 10:33 PM

After revisiting my man’s plays from various angles, I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s not broken. Only two were true drops. On one play he couldn’t see the ball because a crossing receiver blocked his view. The last one was thrown behind him. Still should be caught by an NFL receiver, but not an easy play. Then you have the bobble that was intercepted. No excuse for that one. But….don’t forget that fan favorite Tyreek pulled that about 7 times in one season.

RaidersOftheCellar 09-09-2023 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 17098617)
One fluke game is making his career drop ratio look awful since his career target total is so low.

https://media.tenor.com/RHJ4LNgtdvcA...ly-madison.gif

Otter 09-10-2023 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17097747)
The internet is having a blast roasting the Chiefs. The one with CEH following blockers to the right. While to the left is enough pasture for a herd of goats. Is pretty funny.

It will pass

You draw attention after being the best for awhile. No biggie.

Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins for a reason.

Bearcat 09-10-2023 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 17098863)
You draw attention after being the best for awhile. No biggie.

Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins for a reason.

After a couple SB victories, I'm kind of embracing it these days.

It's less about putting them 5th in power rankings and telling us it's another team's year, because everyone knows that's just silly now. It's a Patriots level, we're so tired of watching this team in the AFCCG every year and there's no a ****ing thing we can do about it.

And on top of that, each meme fuels Petty Pat.

Let him feed.



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JohnnyHammersticks 09-10-2023 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 17097654)
I'd like to see KT beat that dude inches from losing his life.

I think the Cowboys just took care of that for KT.

Eleazar 09-10-2023 09:27 PM

I think Toney is going to be all right. There's no question about his ability, he just needs to get over the yips and stay healthy. One big game or just a game without any mistakes and he'll be right.

carcosa 09-10-2023 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17098804)
Sorry fellas, it's been a long day for a 61 y.o. today. :doh!:

Based on the way you post I thought you'd be a lot older or possibly dead

RaidersOftheCellar 09-10-2023 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 17098559)
Toney had (obviously) a bad game. But he was targeted on a huge percentage of plays and if he makes any of those catches we win. I think he bounces back. I’ve seen the talent.

Skyy Moore? Not so much…

Exactly. And when you take a closer look, Toney only had one egregious f-up the other night. Unfortunately, it caused a pick 6.

BossChief 09-10-2023 10:09 PM

Thursday was when he was supposed to make his mark.

He catches everything, he has 150 yards and a couple tuddies.

Simply Red 09-11-2023 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17095217)

Good pull sweetie.

Sassy Squatch 09-11-2023 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solomon Phoenix (Post 17096175)
Shit franchise? Let's not get carried away. The Giants are blue bloods of the NFL.

Be careful champ. You barely escaped "Danny Dumb" a few years ago at Arrowhead with Joe Judge as head coach. You don't want to see the NYG in a game that actually means something.

Keep it up and you'll wind up next on the list of dynasties the Giants have crumbled. The Giants ended the 49ers three peat. And I know you know what happened to Brady twice. You want Mahomes on that list too homeboy?

I didn't post that to talk shit. As a Giants fan I don't think about the Chiefs.

We'll see where we are going this year. Right now you're 0-1.

So you posted cringe on main.....

FloridaMan88 09-11-2023 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solomon Phoenix (Post 17096175)
Shit franchise? Let's not get carried away. The Giants are blue bloods of the NFL.

Be careful champ. You barely escaped "Danny Dumb" a few years ago at Arrowhead with Joe Judge as head coach. You don't want to see the NYG in a game that actually means something.

Keep it up and you'll wind up next on the list of dynasties the Giants have crumbled. The Giants ended the 49ers three peat. And I know you know what happened to Brady twice. You want Mahomes on that list too homeboy?

I didn't post that to talk shit. As a Giants fan I don't think about the Chiefs.

We'll see where we are going this year. Right now you're 0-1.

"Blue Bloods" generally don't get thoroughly embarrassed at home, on Sunday Night Football, in week one, like the Giants were last night.

A 40-0 loss to Mike McCarthy's Cowboys?

ROFL

GloryDayz 09-11-2023 09:02 AM

Only six more days for them to all think about the loss, especially KT.

In58men 09-11-2023 09:06 AM

He’s the Ja’Marr Chase of shit talkin’

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VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 09-11-2023 09:21 AM

Toney please shut the **** up! We’re gonna need a new WR in the off season, he’s not gonna last in this league

Eleazar 09-11-2023 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17101338)
He’s the Ja’Marr Chase of shit talkin’

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I don't see the big deal. The Giants people were in his ear all weekend. Then they get beat like rented mules on Monday, and he says "don't get quiet now"

TribalElder 09-11-2023 10:43 AM

he should be practicing catching not working his twitter thumbs

actions speak much louder than words

Pasta Little Brioni 09-11-2023 11:12 AM

That was a fine response. Lame ass reporter crying like a bitch over his precious GMen ROFL

FloridaMan88 09-11-2023 11:27 AM

KT, we’ve got the trash talk situation covered as we continue to douse Giants fans in their 40-0 dumpster fire… just focus on catching the football.

FlaChief58 09-11-2023 11:43 AM

Killa joka making a fool of himself.

Stop with the childish back and forth and concentrate on perfecting your craft

xztop123 09-11-2023 11:54 AM

These quick twitch midgets aren’t designed for beating zone. They’re man beating players.

Short armed players will drop more passes and have a smaller radius.

The problem is Reid’s reluctance to play new guys (our taller wrs) —- and our two new defensive tackles also.

Kelce, ross, and rice are likely our best zone beating recievers


Taller guys are also more protected from monsters hits that players will often get while catching in zone holes.

Kelce is a pro at almost never getting hit hard. A master at avoiding punishment.

FloridaMan88 09-11-2023 11:57 AM

Andy Reid took the blame today for playing KT.

wachashi 09-11-2023 11:58 AM

They're asking much more of Toney this year from a route responsibility perspective and it very clearly got him thinking too much. It's hard to be explosive when you're confused about where you're supposed to be. I'll bet he's in more of a gadget role next week to try and get his confidence back.

ThaVirus 09-11-2023 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17101615)
Andy Reid took the blame today for playing KT.

In the long run, it was probably for the best. Knock off the rust as quickly as possible.. it’s unfortunate that it resulted in a loss.

xztop123 09-11-2023 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17101621)
In the long run, it was probably for the best. Knock off the rust as quickly as possible.. it’s unfortunate that it resulted in a loss.

No. You knock off rest and scout players in scrimmages and practice.

If a player is dropping balls or forgetting his routes it should be evident in practice. Not in an nfl game that involves millions of dollars being exchanged.

ThaVirus 09-11-2023 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17101623)
No. You knock off rest and scout players in scrimmages and practice.

If a player is dropping balls or forgetting his routes it should be evident in practice. Not in an nfl game that involves millions of dollars being exchanged.

You do realize that Andy Reid was coaching football before your daddy squirted you into your mom’s ****?

xztop123 09-11-2023 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17101642)
You do realize that Andy Reid was coaching football before your daddy squirted you into your mom’s ****?

I wouldn’t use length at a job to determine competence.

If this were the case then no fan in human history would be given allowance to question a single decision ever made by a professional.

And we all know there has to be examples where the professional were wrong

ThaVirus 09-11-2023 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17101653)
I wouldn’t use length at a job to determine competence.

K, how about Super Bowls?

Pasta Little Brioni 09-11-2023 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17101653)
I wouldn’t use length at a job to determine competence.

If this were the case then no fan in human history would be given allowance to question a single decision ever made by a professional.

And we all know there has to be examples where the professional were wrong

Stick to chin talk

GloryDayz 09-11-2023 01:32 PM

While I get Toney wanting to take a jab back at the fans who were giving him shit when they went out a laid an egg, perhaps he still should have realized that doing so was going to replied to with people reminding him that his actions, multiple actions, lost the game for his team.

So maybe he should focus on remembering how to catch a ball and not play around on social media.

DRM08 09-11-2023 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17101615)
Andy Reid took the blame today for playing KT.

And I'm sure he took the blame for those horrible playcalls in short yardage, but I just wonder if he will ever change it. Been very stubborn with the short yardage playcalling even when it's clear that it doesn't work.

wazu 09-11-2023 01:35 PM

I'm usually not big on somebody doing a lot of trash talk and calling that attention, but in KT's case it's kind of funny. The Giants aren't a rival of ours, they're just a rival of HIS. And him just declaring war on the entire city of New York for trading him is pretty hilarious. And it's maybe even better that he jumps their ass even when he himself had a terrible game this week.

TwistedChief 09-11-2023 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17101623)
No. You knock off rest and scout players in scrimmages and practice.

If a player is dropping balls or forgetting his routes it should be evident in practice. Not in an nfl game that involves millions of dollars being exchanged.

That’s typically why Reid requires a full week of practice to play. And he got that and played.

Evidently it was not evident in practice.

ToxSocks 09-11-2023 01:43 PM

Just a reminder that KT had a more productive week 1 than Tee Higgins and Drake London. Ziiiiing.

Megatron96 09-11-2023 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 17101878)
While I get Toney wanting to take a jab back at the fans who were giving him shit when they went out a laid an egg, perhaps he still should have realized that doing so was going to replied to with people reminding him that his actions, multiple actions, lost the game for his team.

So maybe he should focus on remembering how to catch a ball and not play around on social media.



This.


I'm concerned that Toney's spending any time on social media after the performance he put on tape a few days ago. He should be thinking, "I'll do my talking from now on with my play, and keep my mouth shut."

And besides his health concerns, ultimately, it's his mental/emotional stability that are the real issues for him and his career going forward. To reach his potential, he's going to have to work on his craft, and be as mentally/emotionally strong as possible. This nonsense isn't helping him at all.


I had some hope he would turn a new page towards real maturity when he deleted his social media account. Short lived I guess.

Hammock Parties 09-11-2023 01:54 PM

Would you guys relax? He probably got on the 'gram and made a quick post while he was taking a shit. jesus.

Pitt Gorilla 09-11-2023 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17101615)
Andy Reid took the blame today for playing KT.

As he should. Guy shouldn't go from not practicing the ENTIRE PRESEASON to starting/playing game 1. Nobody should be surprised he wasn't ready.

Megatron96 09-11-2023 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17101915)
Would you guys relax? He probably got on the 'gram and made a quick post while he was taking a shit. jesus.



Would rather he just take his shit. Without his phone, ever again.

GloryDayz 09-11-2023 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17101913)
This.


I'm concerned that Toney's spending any time on social media after the performance he put on tape a few days ago. He should be thinking, "I'll do my talking from now on with my play, and keep my mouth shut."

And besides his health concerns, ultimately, it's his mental/emotional stability that are the real issues for him and his career going forward. To reach his potential, he's going to have to work on his craft, and be as mentally/emotionally strong as possible. This nonsense isn't helping him at all.


I had some hope he would turn a new page towards real maturity when he deleted his social media account. Short lived I guess.

Agree. Deleting your X account then talking shit on another social media venue seems odd.

ThaVirus 09-11-2023 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17101915)
Would you guys relax? He probably got on the 'gram and made a quick post while he was taking a shit. jesus.

You’re the last one we’d ask about healthy social media usage

Sassy Squatch 09-11-2023 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17102597)
You’re the last one we’d ask about healthy social media usage

By that same token if anyone here's an expert on unhealthy internet behavior it's him.

Hammock Parties 09-11-2023 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17102597)
You’re the last one we’d ask about healthy social media usage

i'm actually a very moderate social media user

GloryDayz 09-11-2023 08:22 PM

LMAO https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...049ea6ab72.jpg

FloridaMan88 09-13-2023 11:48 AM

Toney talking to the media today, said he told the team he took ownership for the drops and is staying after practice to catch passes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F569oS7W...jpg&name=large

T-post Tom 09-13-2023 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17106299)
Toney talking to the media today, said he told the team he took ownership for the drops and is staying after practice to catch passes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F569oS7W...jpg&name=large

Glad to see that the best and most productive player for the Detroit Lions is taking ownership.

AdolfOliverBush 09-13-2023 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17106299)
Toney talking to the media today, said he told the team he took ownership for the drops and is staying after practice to catch passes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F569oS7W...jpg&name=large

Why is Aunt Jemima with AIDS wearing a Chiefs jersey?

RockChalk 09-13-2023 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 17106301)
Glad to see that the best player for the Detroit Lions (last Thursday night) is taking ownership.

I don't get it. Would you rather Toney be making excuses and acting like it wasn't his fault? He's putting in the work to be better. Is there something else you want him to say/do?

T-post Tom 09-13-2023 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17106309)
I don't get it. Would you rather Toney be making excuses and acting like it wasn't his fault? He's putting in the work to be better. Is there something else you want him to say/do?

It’s called humor. You should try it sometime. :)

loochy 09-13-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17106309)
. Is there something else you want him to do?

yeah. catch the damn ball


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