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Bearcat 06-18-2023 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16985802)
Bingo. You play the cards you're dealt. It's ok though. This time next year i'll be talking about how we're only 1 behind and you all will be yelling about how it's 2 because of some game 50+ years ago.

I remember when the only excitement used to be the excitement of the future, only because they hadn't failed yet.

duncan_idaho 06-18-2023 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16985802)
Bingo. You play the cards you're dealt. It's ok though. This time next year i'll be talking about how we're only 1 behind and you all will be yelling about how it's 2 because of some game 50+ years ago.

No, no.

Next year, we'll be talking about the Chiefs being the first repeat champions in 20 years after hosting their sixth straight AFC championship game, and what it is going to take to stop the Chiefs dynasty or just keep them from hosting the Arrowhead Invitational.

We'll be talking about what the Bengals can do to get over the hump before the Burrow and Chase extensions get expensive, and whether the Bills' window has any cracks remaining.

Pablo 06-18-2023 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16985827)
I remember when the only excitement used to be the excitement of the future, only because they hadn't failed yet.

There's just something about going into an offseason and starting off a new season as Superbowl champs. Just enjoying all that stuff that happened all the way back four months ago.

Really a fun fan experience wouldn't you say?

rfaulk, do you have any opinions on the matter?

Pablo 06-18-2023 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16985840)
No, no.

Next year, we'll be talking about the Chiefs being the first repeat champions in 20 years after hosting their sixth straight AFC championship game, and what it is going to take to stop the Chiefs dynasty or just keep them from hosting the Arrowhead Invitational.

We'll be talking about what the Bengals can do to get over the hump before the Burrow and Chase extensions get expensive, and whether the Bills' window has any cracks remaining.

The Bengals are a poverty franchise, literally.

Can their owner honestly afford to pay both of those guys?

Bearcat 06-18-2023 12:15 PM

Has anyone made a Father's Day joke yet?

Bengals fans need to remember to call their daddy.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FytuCFgWAAADsq8.jpg

Raiderhater 06-18-2023 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16985086)
Sounds exactly like something a fan of a team with zero rings would say.

Your ring envy is even more obvious than your penis envy.

https://media.tenor.com/S55u5aO8iTAA...s-pointing.gif

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16985802)
Bingo. You play the cards you're dealt. It's ok though. This time next year i'll be talking about how we're only 1 behind and you all will be yelling about how it's 2 because of some game 50+ years ago.

Yeeeeeah…this dream will definitely come true. The only things not in its favor are odds, history and logic.

For some reason, I don’t think you’d throw out a SB win from 1970 if you had one. Or even an AFL title for that matter. It’s actually KC 4, Bungles 0.

But hey, Orlando Brown’s covering floral boy’s blind side now. This is the year, baby.

rydogg58 06-18-2023 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16985805)
I always get a chuckle when people bring up 'the 7th minute of the 4th quarter of a game played in January between the 14th and 16th in odd numbered years'.

I always get a chuckle out of people that discount a Super Bowl win because it was 50+ years ago.

Pablo 06-18-2023 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 16985917)
I always get a chuckle out of people that discount a Super Bowl win because it was 50+ years ago.

It's even better because he's a UK bball fan and ALL those queers ever say is "8 TITLES" "POWERHOUSE SINCE THE 40's"

FlaChief58 06-18-2023 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16985802)
Bingo. You play the cards you're dealt. It's ok though. This time next year i'll be talking about how we're only 1 behind and you all will be yelling about how it's 2 because of some game 50+ years ago.


So because our first trophy happened in '69 it doesn't count?

You may not be the dumbest MF'r on the planet, but you better hope knowmo doesn't die. F'n reerun

Rainbarrel 06-18-2023 02:19 PM

Burrow may have to knock up a bartender to get people to talk about him too. In the not so distant future

Edit: Watson may have already been on a bad road. Mayfield has handled it best so far

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16985812)
Joe Derrrrr is a shrinking violet in big moments.

Used up all his mojo winning a natty at LSU and can't do it in the NFL.

So, he didn't keep the ball for 6+ minutes for the game winning FG in Cincy in '21? And he didn't lead the GW drive in KC in '21? And he didn't make the throw on 3rd down to kill the clock in Cincy in'22?

The only time he failed to produce a GWD or kill the clock was in the AFCCG last year. That's 3 pluses and 1 minus. Seems like the opposite of shrinking violet.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16985816)
The fact that you try to discredit a Super Bowl bc it was played before you saw it solidifies the fact that you desperately crave validation for your poverty franchise by moving goal posts.

The Chiefs have 3 Super Bowls. That doesn’t change despite what losers like you think

Ok ok. You all got me on the 50+ super bowl.

Now shut the hell up.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16985840)
No, no.

Next year, we'll be talking about the Chiefs being the first repeat champions in 20 years after hosting their sixth straight AFC championship game, and what it is going to take to stop the Chiefs dynasty or just keep them from hosting the Arrowhead Invitational.

We'll be talking about what the Bengals can do to get over the hump before the Burrow and Chase extensions get expensive, and whether the Bills' window has any cracks remaining.

You used up your one win every decade against the Bengals last year. Better hope you don't face them in the AFCCG again.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16985841)
There's just something about going into an offseason and starting off a new season as Superbowl champs. Just enjoying all that stuff that happened all the way back four months ago.

Really a fun fan experience wouldn't you say?

rfaulk, do you have any opinions on the matter?

No. Not yet. :mad:

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16985922)
It's even better because he's a UK bball fan and ALL those queers ever say is "8 TITLES" "POWERHOUSE SINCE THE 40's"

Bahahaha….forgot that he’s a Kentucky fan.

They live off success in the 40s/50s, but a Super Bowl from 1970 is ancient history. LMAO

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986018)
Bahahaha….forgot that he’s a Kentucky fan.

They live off success in the 40s/50s, but a Super Bowl from 1970 is ancient history. LMAO

We've moved past that, butthead. Keep up.

Punwit 06-18-2023 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986016)
You used up your one win every decade against the Bengals last year. Better hope you don't face them in the AFCCG again.

You spend a lot of time propping up Joe so I have a question for you. If Chiefs and Bengals swapped receiving corps who do you think would win?

Pablo 06-18-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986012)
So, he didn't keep the ball for 6+ minutes for the game winning FG in Cincy in '21? And he didn't lead the GW drive in KC in '21? And he didn't make the throw on 3rd down to kill the clock in Cincy in'22?

The only time he failed to produce a GWD or kill the clock was in the AFCCG last year. That's 3 pluses and 1 minus. Seems like the opposite of shrinking violet.

Last play of the superbowl vs the Rams and joe just shrunk up

RunKC 06-18-2023 03:37 PM

Well the Bengals are easily the number 2 team INT he AFC and the only team in the Chiefs tier. It’s literally a razor thin margin as all 4 Burrow/Mahomes games were decided by a FG.

Unless injury happens, it’s probably between those 2 teams again this year.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16986031)
Last play of the superbowl vs the Rams and joe just shrunk up

You're right. I'm sure Pat could have avoided Aaron Donald blowing past the oline and getting on his blind side in 2 seconds.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986023)
You spend a lot of time propping up Joe so I have a question for you. If Chiefs and Bengals swapped receiving corps who do you think would win?

If they swapped teams the last two years, Mahomes would have
won handily each time. This year, Mahomes probably has the better roster.

Either way, he’ll be hosting the 6th annual Arrowhead Invitational.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16986034)
Well the Bengals are easily the number 2 team INT he AFC and the only team in the Chiefs tier. It’s literally a razor thin margin as all 4 Burrow/Mahomes games were decided by a FG.

Unless injury happens, it’s probably between those 2 teams again this year.

Even though they're razor thin, i look forward to them. I don't dislike the Chiefs like i do the Steelers, Ravens and 49ers. They're exciting, clean, fun games to watch.

When you haven't won the ring yet, it's the only thing you can really look forward to, beating the top teams in the league.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986023)
You spend a lot of time propping up Joe so I have a question for you. If Chiefs and Bengals swapped receiving corps who do you think would win?

I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986022)
We've moved past that, butthead. Keep up.

Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract. LMAO

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986044)
Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract. LMAO

Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

Pablo 06-18-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986035)
You're right. I'm sure Pat could have avoided Aaron Donald blowing past the oline and getting on his blind side in 2 seconds.

Pat identifies Donald and watches him shred his dude, then drifts back and to the right before he closes that ground throwing an off-platform bomb to the streaking Chase. High IQ players do high IQ things.

Your wunderkind coach could have ran the ball on 4th and a foot also. Hell Pat would have picked that up on the ground with an obliterated ankle.

Punwit 06-18-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986042)
I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986042)
I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

Pablo 06-18-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986044)
Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract. LMAO

Rupp Rafters is great, great reading if you're so inclined.

LIFETIME??

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Punwit 06-18-2023 03:55 PM

Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986047)
Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986051)
I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986052)
Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

Punwit 06-18-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986070)
Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986058)
Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

No. Pat's more elusive and quicker.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986059)
Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

Never been there. UK fans, from south of where i live in KY are nuts.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986079)
Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

Punwit 06-18-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986096)
Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

That was my point. This thread started because Chase said something dumb. Pat is a unicorn and Joe is a good, maybe great, QB but he isn't Pat. Pat would improve ANY team he is added to and that includes the Bengals. Now the amount of improvement may be less on the Bengals than any other team (not my argument right now) but he is a unicorn.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986076)
Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

The point isn’t to make excuses. The point is that Mahomes can still produce at a really high level despite poor protection. The only piece of evidence to the contrary is a game vs a loaded team in which his receivers dropped three TD passes that hit either their hands or facemask. Is he supposed to catch the ball too?

His line was poor for much of 2020 and he still went 14-1, put up great numbers and went to the SB. Hell, his tackles weren’t even very good last year. He (and Reid) just made them look much better than they are. You’ll find that out soon enough.

Coochie liquor 06-18-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16984930)
Chase.

It's not just his name, it's what Kansas City Chiefs players do.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/...0&h=600&crop=1

Holy shit, you’re right for once. Chiefs players Chase rings. Ja’Marcus or whatever his name is is just Chasing the Chiefs!

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986112)
The point isn’t to make excuses. The point is that Mahomes can still produce at a really high level despite poor protection. The only piece of evidence to the contrary is a game vs a loaded team in which his receivers dropped three TD passes that hit either their hands or facemask. Is he supposed to catch the ball too?

His line was poor for much of 2020 and he still went 14-1, put up great numbers and went to the SB. Hell, his tackles weren’t even very good last year. He (and Reid) just made them look much better than they are. You’ll find that out soon enough.

Well, Burrow has performed at times at a high level with shitty protection too. It's just that his sore thumbs (Aaron Donald/Cheifs AFCCG '22) stick out.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16986116)
Holy shit, you’re right for once. Chiefs players Chase rings. Ja’Marcus or whatever his name is is just Chasing the Chiefs!

And your mom! :cuss:

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986070)
Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

You’re saying he was clearly better than Mahomes in that stretch? Based on what?

Punwit 06-18-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986117)
Well, Burrow has performed at times at a high level with shitty protection too. It's just that his sore thumbs (Aaron Donald/Cheifs AFCCG '22) stick out.

I thought you declined to go down the excuse rabbit hole 🕳️.

Punwit 06-18-2023 05:02 PM

It gives one paws.

Punwit 06-18-2023 05:07 PM

And I'll call your sore thumb and raise with a HAS.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986121)
You’re saying he was clearly better than Mahomes in that stretch? Based on what?

Based on the stats i had posted, with a 108 QB rating.

RealSNR 06-18-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986012)
So, he didn't keep the ball for 6+ minutes for the game winning FG in Cincy in '21? And he didn't lead the GW drive in KC in '21? And he didn't make the throw on 3rd down to kill the clock in Cincy in'22?

The only time he failed to produce a GWD or kill the clock was in the AFCCG last year. That's 3 pluses and 1 minus. Seems like the opposite of shrinking violet.


He’s Trent Dilfer in the 4th quarter.

Does precisely jack and shit

Bowser 06-18-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986145)
Based on the stats i had posted, with a 108 QB rating.

108?? Damn, that is goooooood......


........but

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986123)
I thought you declined to go down the excuse rabbit hole 🕳️.

There's no excuses there. I said he's played well with a bad line in front of him at times.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16986154)
He’s Trent Dilfer in the 4th quarter.

Does precisely jack and shit

ROFL

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16986155)
108?? Damn, that is goooooood......


........but

But what?

Coochie liquor 06-18-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986120)
And your mom! :cuss:


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Bowser 06-18-2023 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986160)
But what?

But it still wasn't quite good enough.

Sorry that you made me spell it out.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16986164)
But it still wasn't quite good enough.

Sorry that you made me spell it out.

I was hoping you would say something about rings. :D

Bowser 06-18-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986167)
I was hoping you would say something about rings. :D

It was completely implied ;)

Coochie liquor 06-18-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986012)
So, he didn't keep the ball for 6+ minutes for the game winning FG in Cincy in '21? And he didn't lead the GW drive in KC in '21? And he didn't make the throw on 3rd down to kill the clock in Cincy in'22?

The only time he failed to produce a GWD or kill the clock was in the AFCCG last year. That's 3 pluses and 1 minus. Seems like the opposite of shrinking violet.

Bruh, you’re talking about meaningless regular season games. That’s all you got, eh? Embarrassing!

Coochie liquor 06-18-2023 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986035)
You're right. I'm sure Pat could have avoided Aaron Donald blowing past the oline and getting on his blind side in 2 seconds.

Don’t worry shartman, you have OBJ on the blindside now. It’s gonna be EPIC!!

Coochie liquor 06-18-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986042)
I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

That’s on your GM. He chose a bunch of weapons instead of protecting his quarterback. Won’t be any easier this year. Your OL still sucks, your “upgrade at LT” isn’t really an upgrade. And I’m still waiting on that Joey Brrrrrrridesmaid AND Higby extension. Any day now, right??

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986145)
Based on the stats i had posted, with a 108 QB rating.

QB rating? LMAO

And one that was only slightly better than Mahomes’ rating for the season, no less.

Pablo 06-18-2023 06:47 PM

I'm running the numbers on my QBR rating to Rings model and I'm getting an error code!!

Pablo 06-18-2023 06:50 PM

What was that old saying...???

Flags Fly Sometimes
Flags Fly For a Definite Period of Time
Flags Fly Until The Next Season

Pablo 06-18-2023 06:50 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THESE FLAGS FLY FOREVER <a href="https://t.co/m81KAd1nnT">https://t.co/m81KAd1nnT</a> <a href="https://t.co/nLTTgsa6iZ">pic.twitter.com/nLTTgsa6iZ</a></p>&mdash; Chandler (@_chandler_____) <a href="https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1669015584435064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

petegz28 06-18-2023 06:54 PM

There are rings and trophies and then there are stats.

Rings and trophies are for winners....

I will let you guess who quotes stats....

FlaChief58 06-18-2023 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16986171)
Bruh, you’re talking about meaningless regular season games. That’s all you got, eh? Embarrassing!

He's bungles fan's version of knowmo. Quite embarrassing


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