Idk how do this dude's measurables match up against Bobby Sippio?

4D Chess

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The GM of the defending SB champions disagrees with you. Once you lead a team to more SBs than this GM then you can be taken seriously with your takes.

Man, you know, shit happens, who knows?

But the raw material is there, Mahomes liked him after working with him, we have the best offensive coaching staff in football. He's going to have every advantage.

If he WANTS to be great, he's certainly in the best position to be.

I have noticed we like drafting team captains and guys that played many sports at one point in their school career.

And Burrow said CEH was the most important player on the LSU NC team. It didn't translate to the NFL. It happens, but to equate every pick to CEH is old and stale.

Yessir! Like I said before, IF this kid comes in, works his ass off, learns from these gurus and becomes THAT GUY... this is THE 2023 pick. In five, ten years from now, people will be talking about "...remember when KC traded up to get Rashee Rice in the second round?!".

I hope that happens.
What I think will really happen: this kid may work his way into a starting spot by yr 2. Will, if he maximize his potential, eventually fill the role of JuJu: 60-70 RPY MAX, FOR 800-900 yds. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Kid says he plays just like Hopkins so no need I guess.

If Mahomes is happy, I'm happy.

Crazy how involved mahomes is in the draft process. I love the leadership style of Veach how it gets everyone involved, and seems to take ego out of the equation.

And if this is mahomes guy, which he is, why the **** would anyone be upset taking him over Hyatt.

I've always respected your "football eyes" and it's obvious you have played "the game". You are always accurate and consistent and this particular assessment of Rice's talent mirroring Hopkins IS SPOT ON !!! He is an "acrobatic baller" and the fact he thrives in contested space still making the catch IS HUGE especially in the NFL. Very rarely do WRs in the NFL not have to deal with contested space especially in the RED ZONE. This kid will be HUGE in the red zone, just watch.;)

I’m convinced those 6-8 hardcore draft nerds have better takes on the draft and draft prospects than a good portion of the “professional” guys.

For me, the things that stand out about Rice are:
Explosive leaping ability (vertical and broad)
Elite 10- and 20-yard splits
Above average agility drill times

That’s the profile of a receiver who does the things that they need to do to work in Reid’s system.

I see some Jeremy Maclin/Stafon Diggs components to his game as a route runner/receiver, but with a bigger catch radius and plucker hands.

I still was excited about Tillman and would have pulled the trigger there, but getting one of Mingo/Tillman/Rice is a plus.

My main regret re: Mingo is that we won’t get to make Tombstone memes for his whole career.

In the presser just now, Borgonzi just (essentially) confirmed that Rice was working out with Patrick but they didn't want anyone to know...

Dunno if it has been mentioned or not, but his tape is not even his final form lol. He played most of his games nursing a broken toe and still found a way to lead the country in receiving yards.

Now try to imagine what he'd have done fully healthy.

Being a draft guy is just about time and the ability to judge guys...

Hyatt went to the Giants so we will never know now.


He's career is already over

Ahaha

That's harsh.

smh hyatt draftubators already making excuses

See: Giant Toney vs Chief Toney

Oh, I'm sure Veach will pick him up for a late 3rd in '24 for the stretch run.

I very much enjoyed the Bold and am glad I’m not the only one to see it that way. If you think there is a guy like that you have to take the shot on him becoming that guy. It’s rare that it happens, but that shit is valuable.

Ok, I've been watching everything I can about this guy tonight. He is absolutely going to produce for us and could push starting wr territory. This guy is good, I'm pumped. After watching everything I have I actually like him better than Mingo and I was obsessed with Mingo.

I figured out who he reminds me of...he's very similar to what Michael Gallup was when he got drafted.

Really like his ability to go up and get balls in tight coverage. Gives Mahomes an outlet in addition to Kelce he doesn't have right now. Main reason I wanted Dhop. Also fills the JuJu hole perfectly.

I’m ****ing horny

When this guy turns into an all pro in a couple of years any and all the dumb bitches whining in here need to be called out. Kimosabi and OaklandRater need to be skinned alive and then dipped into a bucket of salt water, so they have a real reason to cry. Pussies.

That description reminds me of Dwayne Biwe. Is that a fair comp?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/RiceRashee11?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RiceRashee11</a> answering the Kingdom&#39;s call 💛 <a href="https://t.co/yRCsCodGqg">pic.twitter.com/yRCsCodGqg</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1652126768948453377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not the only house call Patrick is going to make to Rashee 🤫 <a href="https://t.co/bF93hE6s8P">pic.twitter.com/bF93hE6s8P</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1652128224254517250?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy has a little bit of Ayiuk to his game.

He's more athletic than Bowe was but we really haven't had a guy who won contested balls since Bowe.

They're almost identical in terms of size, speed, explosion, etc.

I like the player, and if Veach says that they believed a specific team wanted him, or that he had an idea someone was going to take him before 63, I will be fine with spending extra draft capital on him.

But, giving up draft capital for no reason isn't smart.

Again, for everyone, I want to be clear that I like Rashee Rice. I think he will be very good. But, the next receiver picked was Mims. No one else took a WR before we would have picked at 63. That's all I am saying.

Oddly enough with him & Toney the biggest beneficiary will be Moore who I think it's obvious the staff loves. Some posters are going to be eating shit about him next year

Watched his media interview. Seems like a great kid.

That only speaks to the way these other teams viewed the other receivers drafted after Rice and does not signify one way or the other that there wasn't a team specifically interested in Rice for their 2nd round pick.

I'll put this here so everyone can laugh at me in a year...but he wasn't my favourite guy if I'm honest. Liked him more than Hyatt but not a guy I probably would've moved up for. That said, he probably has more of a chance to make it out of the slot than a lot of the others, and that's what we need imo.

Sorry about your emotions lmao

Watching the interview and he seems a nice kid. May not mean much but I'm pretty excited again.

According to The Athletic, Rice led the FBS in yards/game and also in catches of 20+ air yards. Interesting.

jesus, he straight mosses a lot of dudes

he's 6-1, 205 and plays like he's 6-4 230

the chiefs are leaning hard into keeping the style of offense that won it all last year instead of trying to go back to the past

the difference is, now mahomes has a left tackle that will allow him to keep plays developing longer, so the less athletic WRs we have now have more time to get open

toney is the wild card

yeah watching his highlights I thought he was bigger.

But the guys in that conference are gonna be smaller I guess

He reminds me of Michael Crabtree coming out

Looking at his NFL.com analysis this right here is why he'll be a perfect fit.

"Scrambles with quarterback and works hard back on throws."

You almost get the feeling that the Chiefs are selecting players with quite a bit of thought put forth to how they would fit with Mahomes. It would make sense that they would prefer someone like Rice. Mahomes' strength is putting the ball in exactly the right place. This guy has the length to extend that advantage out by several feet. I can imaging all kinds of yardball passes between Mahomes and Rice, that he just potentially outworks and makes the play. Warming to this pick for sure. Admittedly knew nothing. Video looks great though. Looks like he has a bit of a natural ability to work through coverage and still focus on the catch to a high degree. I'm good with this..

I'd be interested to know what fans of Rice who didn't like Moore much think makes the former a better pick. If anyone is in that boat.

Better vertical, better height. Probably played better competition in college

Once Mingo got taken, I didn’t have high hopes for any receiver to be a day 1 starter (and Mingo is far from guaranteed). I think Mims, Downs, Perry, Rice, all have potential but could easily be “meh.”

Fair points. I guess I'd say Moore has better early separation, better hands, I think better YAC but that's contestable. Yeah I think that's my take on Mingo and other prospects. I liked Tillman back end of the 2nd.

Yep no over drafting speed anymore

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...y-for-cowboys/

Reminds me of AJ Brown where you think he's a lot bigger than he is. Both only 6'1.

Does he out produce Sky Moore's rookie season of 250 yards?

Would not be shocked.

Toney -KC in 7 games
14 rec
171yds
2 tds

No JuJu(16 games) opens up for all receivers

78 rec
933 yrds

Dont forget hardmans 300 yards and mckinnons over 500 yards receiving


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The fact that Mahomes threw to this guy and really wanted him completely changed my view of the pick. This isn't Mahomes watching tape of a RB and thinking he'd be a great fit. This is Mahomes on the field throwing to a guy.

Then throw in nuggets like his explosive 10 and 20 yards splits (fast-twitch guy?) and the fact he played injured and still put up those numbers, and I'm really excited about the guy.

Wow. I never would have guessed Brown was only 6'1. He plays way bigger.

But the thing is that there is no way of knowing if he gave up draft capital for no reason. Veach isn’t a GM that just throws picks out there for no reason. Sure Mims went next, but that doesn’t mean anything. Perhaps Rice was the guy Denver wanted and with him off the board they pivoted. We don’t know what other team’s draft boards look like. There might have been teams looking at snagging Rice, but with him off the board they went in a different direction. To me what isn’t smart is sitting back and hoping the guys you want fall to you and when they don’t you settle for a consolation prize.

Yes, this. Especially when we probably don't have enough holes in our roster for all of our picks anyway.

Good point. I really thought AJ was bigger than 6’1”.

The part that made me a little nervous was that the scouting reports says he loses focus on the field at times. That sounds like bowe too.

But the contested catches thing is something I just really wanted for mahomes. A great way to improve pass protection for mahomes is to give him a bail out and we just didn’t have that. So much of jujus game was to find an open spot and catch and run. So even if he fills the juju role he also does so much more.

Also rice should hopefully be a beast in man coverage.

Now let’s get to work. Let’s expand that route tree and drill hands catching til his hands bleed

His production actually suffers dramatically in man coverage because he struggles to separate, especially when he's pressed which apparently stuck out as an issue during Senior Bowl 1 on 1's.

Guys, I'm tellin' ya. You're going to love this kid.

This has been my thinking also. Why is anybody mad we moved up a few spots to get the man we wanted? Last year we waited and ended up with the leftovers (Moore). This year Veach knew who he wanted and went up and got him (both 2nd and 3rd) without really giving up much. It doesn't matter if there was a player I wanted more; It was who the Chiefs wanted and that is what matters in the end.

Let's hope. Skyy Moore is JAG.

His measurables are almost identical to AJ Brown. They also talked about how tough of a player he is, just like Brown. That's probably a good comparison.

If Mahomie and Bruce Vilanch love this guy, I'm all in.

I like Moore more, i just prioritise separation over contested catch ability But we have a Moore, so perhaps the value is in getting a different type.

Chiefs are obviously drafting to fill specific roles and this guy, as versatile as his snap share is, is probably your prototypical X. He’s got some unique explosive traits with abilities to high point and his short burst is exceptional, but I’m always leery about guys with inconsistent hands and limited route running experience. This kid puts the ball on the ground a lot as well. I think many are putting too much stock in this report about Mahomes throwing to him. I’m sure Patrick loved throwing to a number of these guys but some just were out of reach. Wait and see for me.

I also am pretty excited to see what Connor embree brings to the table. Comes in with a hell of an early football background. We’ve got a lot of WRs in the coaching room now with one as a passing game coordinator and one as our RBs coach

I could see a 3 and 7 and Kelce is double or trupled teamed and he'll get a small window open for Mahomes to zip it in there for the first down. He will make that catch.

I think that's key. It allows the Chiefs to attack different defensive schemes in different ways by utilizing different skill-sets. It keeps everything fluid, and the one constant is Mahomes and Kelce.

I'm no draftnik but I dont have to be with this pick.

Mahomes worked him out. They kept that secret. Reputable source says Mahomes told Veach to go get him. Veach went up in the draft to get him. Andy had to sign off too. But, you know better than those three? :rolleyes:

The best thing about the Chiefs right now is their concept of "Team". The front office and the field are essentially one here. This isn't a case like Green Bay where you have assholes with a "I pick the players, and you all coach and play with the players I pick."

Veach is actively taking feedback from at the very least his quarterback on players he'd like to see here.

He isn't simply saying "Well this is the BPA, even though he doesn't exactly fit what we do, make it work."

I still have nightmares about Carl Peterson drafting career safeties like Eric Warfield and William Bartee, and putting them out on islands at CB to get roasted on a weekly basis.

Rice looks like he could become an absolute stud. Bigger target, can win the 50/50 ball, and bigtime YAC potential. Another potential guy that even when they try to cover him, he still gets the ball. Some of the highlights we've seen the guy was playing on a turf toe or broken toe.

If it weren't for Andy's notoriously slow development of Rookie WRs, I'd be even more pumped.

Drops are a little concerning, but it sounds like they’re just focus drops. He has good hands.

Count me in as this is a beast pick. Vatch is god

Yes! & Gray sure seems ready to take some of that

Is this what your team of scouts, gathered intel and in person interviews lead you to believe or a mock draft simulator and Matty lane?

This place is reeruned sometimes. If you’ve at least done your homework pre draft you can bitch a little because you came to your own conclusions and have your own convictions. If your whole argument is just “I think he would have made it 35+ more picks why did we trade up? Just ****ing cool it and trust the process, the chiefs have earned some leash.

Take it for what it’s worth (maybe already mentioned) but Brett Kollman doesn’t appear to be a big fan of this pick, called the draft the Chiefs-ish Chiefs draft ever, whatever the hell that means. Not sure I value the opinion of that cock stain ever since he started collaborating with the Chargers.