No matter how you want to say it was a power up, because the droid said she didn't have talent. Then suddenly Deus ex Machina she can force push Ezra and being able to sense Anakin . There wasn't a journey where you are there each step it was a season another iteration" girl power " force users. A KK hallmark

The Hu Yuang didn't say she had no talent. It said she was low on the scale/recorded register.

If you're blaming this on Kathleen Kennedy, you're not giving enough credit to Filoni.

Sabine is from a warrior culture and has grown up fighting. She has melee combat skills that translate to basic use of a lightsaber, especially against non-Force users.

She was shown multiple times practicing and failing to use the Force to move objects. She was shown multiple times practicing deflecting blaster bolts with her lightsaber. Her background as Ahsoka's apprentice/trainee was discussed.

With her life on the line and she and her master and her friend in danger, she had a breakthrough moment and was able to summon the lightsaber.

And from there, showed more confidence in her abilities and faculties.

I think the issue is looking at The Force as this amazing well of power that's just there if you have it, and not if you don't. It's more complicated than that for most. Confidence and mental state can affect the connection to it, as has been shown multiple times throughout Star Wars canon (including Kenobi, where Obi-Wan had issues with his connection for a while). Just like anything that requires you be able to focus and block out distractions.

Look at Sabine's journey from the end of Rebels to the end of this season. Her best friend gives her his lightsaber before going on a mission he goes MIA on, says he sees something in her. She tries training in his absence, but it's hard and she struggles with the training and connecting to the Force. She has issues with doubt and self-worth, and always is thinking about her friend, finding him, and living up to his belief in her.

Then, she reconnects with her master. She finds him. She and her master re-unite and find peace with each other (and her master believes in her). Then, when the chips are down, she has a breakthrough moment and is finally able to focus and connect with the Force.

You can complain about the breakthrough moment and it coming out of nowhere, but the "where" is there, if you simply look for it.

Good post Duncan.

There was a lot of talk about, “Well Sabine still SUCKS”. What happened was her arc. It was supposed to be different. By definition.

I thought her arc worked better than Ahsokas did. She started as a cranky stoic, found her peace and then became the Ahsoka I expected. It’s a similar thing with her, she needed an arc. But it was a huge dissent from the character before. Even Dawsons portrayal in Mando/Fett (Mando S 2.5). I thought that was harder to believe.

If we’re going to complain about a power up, it’s Morgan. She got ****ing HOUSED in Mando. Caught a spell and now she can hang with Ahsoka? I have no problem with it, but if there is a lame power up it’s her.

So thankful i saved my money and my time. ROFL

you losers missed out

epic setup

Started listening to Heir to the Empire.

Read the first chapter and flipped to the audiobook and the audiobook is much better because of the sound effects.

You get fanboi squees every chapter. R2 chirping, lightsaber's firing, blasters and tie fighters and X-wings and all the cool sounds.

Highly recommend the audiobook.

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I listed to them a few years back and remember them being pretty entertaining. The narrator also does a good job and particularly with Thrawn.

Kanan said she had no talent as a force user

When did he say that?

In responding to Hera's question about Sabine using the force, he said “The Force resides in all living things, but you have to be open to it."

About 1/3 of the way through and Talon Karrde - cool character. I suspect he becomes one of those anti-hero types soon enough.

Stuff like this just pisses me off more and more at how badly Disney has rat-****ed this entire universe. There's such an amazing universe to work within here and the damn trash-heap sequel trilogy is what we got.

Just...why? How? This should've been impossible to **** up.

And yet they sure did.

Hence, no talent but suddenly Deus ex Machina she is at the very last moment because Ezra wasn't the centralized protagonist.

you are a ****ing joke

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...ts-1235612439/


They can't write a good arc about force users to save their life and apparently that might be the case.

LMAO

Dude it has an 86% RT score and 70% audience score. It was a fine show.

Only if that's the confirmation bias you're looking for.

There is a clear arc that begins in the animated series, continuing with Bridger leaving his lightsaber behind with Chopper to give to Sabine, with her off-screen training with Ahsoka Tano, that picks back up in this series, and shows her struggling.

It culminates with her having a breakthrough moment under duress and finally tapping into the Force.

IE, after years of struggling with opening herself to the Force and not being able to find the focus, clarity, and balance needed to do so (as shown both overtly and non-overtly), she had a couple of positive life events that helped her find balance and then in the next life-threatening situation she experienced, she was able to connect in a way she had not before.

It's specifically the opposite of everything you're complaining about here (and people have complained about re: Rey and Luke). She's not a Mary Sue. Mary Sues aren't shown struggling and failing for years like that.

That's incorrect, we never saw her struggle when she was off-screened, it waslike " okay I'll give it try" because there was no indication before she boarded with Ahsoka in Rebels that she'll be trained and it was said more than once even by herself she had no talent then suddenly she can force push and pull when a death trooper was going to kill her. That's not a clear arc, it's convenient plot armor if it was gradual yes, but she was never had talent like Ezra.

It's like anyone can be a basketball player and go from high school to the pros without the talent to do so. It's diminishing the metaphysical reverence because not everyone can do it.

You're a ****ing tool. A completely useless one at that. It seems like you have some type of agenda to push.

How would we see her OFFSCREEN do anything? It was referenced. Time was spent in the first few episodes discussing the difficulty she and Ahsoka had as master-apprentice. Huyang discussed it.

We saw her take up the lightsaber and get her ass kicked by Skoll's apprentice.

We saw her training with Ahsoka again and having difficulty.

We saw her on multiple occasions trying to focus and balance and move things with the Force.

Did you have a problem with him being able to close his eyes and fire the torpedos into the Death Star perfectly even though every attempt we'd seen him make with the Force prior to that point ended in failure? Did you have a problem with Luke summoning his lightsaber in the cave on Hoth?

The concept that crisis sometimes is an impetus for people to find the focus to do something they've tried and failed to do before is not unique to the scene you're complaining about, Star Wars, storytelling, or real life.

You call it plot armor, but that just makes me more convinced that you don't know what plot armor actually is but have heard the term and think it sounds cool.

Luke was getting his ass kicked by Tusken Raiders at the start of the movie and in the span of a couple days took out Imperial Stormtroopers like they were NOTHING! Had ZERO training flying in an X-Wing and somehow managed to be the ONLY dude to make it down the trench AND fire an impossible shot.

MARY SUE!!!!!!!!!!

Easy, you'd flashback her legitimate struggles, while training during years those years then dreams to further the process That would cut it down for 2 seasons. A big part of this training is the dedication to it, and not discard it. It was power up reaching for her light saber. With Luke he was The Chosen Son, and the audience never seen such rigors or mysticism of the Jedi arts.Especially when it's introduced to you as a child it holds greater context.


In today's medium, like Keanu Reeves The Matrix they kept repeating that Neo was The Chosen One to hammer it in so like Jesus when he died he came back as a demigod. It's difficult on a TV series medium to really it I'll take time to really go through that journey.

The Force itself can't wielded by everyone, and if they can then it diminishes it to a degree that it's like a taking a piss while drunk.

I can say something about your personal attacks, but I won't go there

I can honestly see this happening. Filoni is very much into fan service (which I love about him).

Well put, man. This is all that needs said. Regardless of the reason given, the answer to where the issue rests is that Luke has a penis and Sabine does not. Without digging too deep in my memory, Luke is arguably the second biggest Mary Sue in the entire franchise, possibly the biggest if you consider what he accomplished as a whole vs what Rey accomplished. She defeated weaker versions of all the same enemies.

I really really enjoyed this one! That villain line-up was balls.

This is also wrong, as I said Luke was the 1st we saw learning how to be a Jedi. It was unprecedented seeing force users and now it's a regurgitation if everyone can do the force then why couldn't a droid be a force user because they are part of the force. If someone is untalented then I want to see those obstacles and not "microwaved" for convenience. Sabine's great as a Mandolorian but this makes her OP because now she's going to be a Jedi AND a Mandolorian.

As I said the original was written for children, and those kids back then are adults now and they want to see depth and development of her training. We've seen The Chosen One and Chosen Son. It took Ezra 4 seasons to become a Jedi , it didn't just popup during the heat of battle and being proficient to boot like Sabine. Lea should've been the OP female Jedi, because this would've been universally accepted with off-screen training.

God please please please retcon the ****ing EU

DJ's thought had me thinking what the plans for Baylon Skoll were, so I went looking. Unfortunately, I didn't find much.

But, here is a good list of actors that could fill the role pretty well, if not seamlessly in a few cases....

https://screenrant.com/ahsoka-season...-skoll-recast/

Give me Liam Cunningham....please?

I love that dude.

Periodically I'll describe some folks as "those hard sons of bitches".

Someone suggested Liev Schreiber when the series was going on and I loved that idea.

He has an imposing physical presence that too many of those guys don't have. That was really part of Skoll's gravitas - dude was just big. And from this big, growling voice came damn near Shakespearian wisdom and this calm deliberation that you wouldn't expect from this towering figure.

Cunningham just doesn't intimidate me. Most of the guys on that list don't.

I want someone in that role who would make me nervous simply being silent in the room. I think Schreiber is the guy there.

Baylan Skoll would be great.

I find myself torn on Star Wars EU. I WANT a series that focuses on Darth Plagueis the Wise.

I do NOT want another season run by the shitshow that was The Acolyte. Inconsistent, poorly written, and a waste of some cool core ideas.

Maybe they can work it into a Baylan Skoll origin series starring Liev Schriever, run by someone else, and everyone wins?

"Waste of cool core ideas" has essentially been the tagline of the entire Disney Star Wars era.

How. Just HOW did they screw up an Obi Wan story?

I just hate everyone involved in this process.

Fair. I'm a bit of a Schreiber fan too. I absolutely LOVED Ray Donovan. And him being that dude less Bahston accent would probably be better than Cunningham. I just want to see Cunningham in more shit.

Save Tony Gilroy, you're correct. Filoni and Favreau have put out some good stuff, but Mando is floundering a bit and Ahsoka (while I liked it) wasn't a critical success.

Gilroy is the infallible one in the room. Disney, I think, could learn a lot from what Gilroy got right. If they paid attention to the craft instead of trying to legislate success, they'd do a lot of good.

could work

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I love me some Hound.

Unfortunately He won't be the Hound. I think he's got the chops to step into the role and physically he can do it.

Plus if he could work in a tiny bit of Hound, hell he could just call ONE dude a **** and I'd probably be satisfied.

Sign me up for some Darth Hound LMAO

I had my wish list stop at Liev Schreiber for replacing Baylan Skoll, but I can get on board with this casting for sure if it ends up being the case.

This guy's channel rocks

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Damn. That was dark.