Solo was meh. Not terrible, not great. The whole "his name is Solo because it was assigned to him" bit was horrible... on par with "Greedo shot first". Just, no. There was no need for that. Terrible decision in a long line of successive terrible decisions associated with the Star Wars franchise (going all the way back to the prequels).

IMO what makes Andor so good is they take it seriously. No lame attempts at moronic humor. No "Marvel jokes" peppered into every other line. It is in line with the originals, well, at least episodes IV & V, before Lucas decided to focus more on selling toys than making decent movies. Can you imagine what "Revenge of the Jedi" would have been like on Kashyyk, with wookies instead of those stupid lame teddy bear ewoks? That could have been incredible, esp if he had hired another serious director (Kershner).

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People were desperately hoping for Solo to be good, precisely because TLJ was so bad.

I'll say this for Solo - I enjoyed it much more on the second viewing, which was months if not a year down the road. It's an entertaining flick worth a re-watch if you've never done it.

Not to sidetrack this even more, but The Postman book was so much better than the actual movie. It's like the only thing they have in common was the title.

And Solo was a fun movie that doesn't deserve the amount of hate it gets.

It was good. And compared to Last Jedi, it was great.

Agree. It was one of the best among Star Wars series. I liked Andor.

I threw this on while I was in the office working on some shit.

That was stupid. Even though I'd seen it, it sucked me in and I was useless. I thought I'd have it on for noise and catch a couple awesome scenes, and get my shit done. ****, most of the scenes are awesome.

The ****ing dialogue is profound there are some real pause it so I can chew on it moments. Things like Power doesn't Panic, and the revolution comes first and we get what's left are really REALLY ****ing good writing. Serkis was in like 2 episodes and ****ing slayed that shit. Really incredible stuff. And that's to say nothing of the one way out speech, the I sacrificed everything speech and the funeral speech which are 3 ****ing all timers.

Set design was smart and diverse. Pacing was absolutely incredible. Then they throw shit in there like Luthen wasting those tie fighters. Jesus. And the death in there really mattered. Like all of them... A new hope blew up a planet and it didn't seem to matter as much as a couple prisoner deaths. Or that one kids dad.

Everything was tight and smart and engaging. Nothing was fluff or wasted, everything felt organic and real. Add in a few profound dialogue pieces, and this thing is....damn.

Dudes, I think this thing might be ****ing perfect.

That's interesting. I happen to be online friends with the author David Brin after meeting him at a sci-fi convention in Tucson.

Talk to him regularly on his blog. Brin is a brilliant guy with a PhD in astrophysics from Cal Tech.

He's a massive Democrat though, so I've argued politics with him quite a few times.

To me, I thought that Emilia Clarke and Han Solo had no chemistry. Since she's his big motivation through much of the film, I thought the whole thing fell flat. I didn't see anything about that relationship that was so special that he'd do all the stuff he did for her.

Second, I REALLY couldn't stand that damn fem bot. Though, one could argue the fem bot was MAKING FUN of toxic woke crap---even though it was voiced by Phoebe (ruiner of Harrison Ford franchises) Waller-Bridge.

To me, I thought Andor was about what it took to put Luke in that X-wing with a chance to blow up the Death Star.

Rebellions do need their Luke Skywalkers...but it takes thousands of Andors to buy them that shot.

YES

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'bout !@#$ing time!

Feels like the last season was 4 years ago. They've made a lot of crap in between where I've said "Hey -- look at Andor, I KNOW you can make quality stuff! Why won't you?!?!"

Oh - picked out Adrian Arjona in there.

She's fantastic in everything I've ever seen her in. Showed up kinda out of nowhere in Good Omens and now I'm a fan anytime I see her.

This.

I like that their trailer is all the "Critics loved this!!!" stuff.

They know what we're thinking. They're leaning into it.

"Guys -- remember that thing we made that wasn't awful? Please remember it. If not, here's a reminder. Please watch it..."

Yeah, Hopefully Gilroy still has control and makes the series he wants.

I might just rewatch S1 because mother****er it's incredible.

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Love that they have Krennic and K2 in this.

JFC what a trailer.

Why couldn't they put the showrunners for this on the goddamn movies? Holy shit, just insane. TIE fighters doing some INSANE shit there.

Why would they need to? You loved The Last Jedi...

The ST was deeply flawed.

That looks so ****ing good. Can't wait!

Well shit, I guess I'll have to get Disney+ again. Assuming it's as good as last season.

I'll wait until this has wrapped so I only have to pay Darth Mickey for a month.

Really enjoyed Season 1. Have let my Disney+ account go but will probably fire it back up for this.

I think why Andor worked was focusing on the people. Not X-wings and death stars but the people/species living in this universe.

That's what Mandolrian worked, we cared about the people, we got their back story and future plans etc.

This is as good of a place as any… reports are out Kathleen Kennedy is stepping down from Star Wars at the end of the year.

Nah -- that's not it.

Because Obi Wan was about 'the people' and sucked all kinds of horrific ass. Ahsoka was very much character driven and also bad.

Many of Mandolorian's best moments ARE about X-Wings and light sabers.

It's both simpler and less complicated than that. It's not just that they wrote a story around characters -- they wrote a story about compelling characters and had even the secondary and tertiary parts played by excellent performers giving us complex and developed characters.

Both were amazing. :rolleyes:

Sure not as good as Mando, but miles above The Acolyte.

ding dong the witch is dead

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It's only February. The bitch can still **** a lot of shit up before the end of the year, especially if she goes scorched earth. Not that there's much left to ruin at this point.

Dork video I watched said that it was too expensive, so they cancelled it after this season.

They're doing similar blocks/timejumps as the last one.

Hopefully they didn't **** with it too much to dump the cohesiveness of the stories/remove the stakes.

If anyone can do it Gilroy can, but yeah, nervous.

Why do these studios even take on ambitious projects like this? They know how much it's going to cost.

Bet we get an Andor movie. Oh wait, we did already, it was called Rogue One.

I mean - we know how the story ends.

So a 2 season arc is probably enough. Wouldn't have hated a 3rd, but I'd rather they stay expensive and good then try to cut the budget and lengthen it.

This sorts demonstrates how impossible it should've been to mess these movies up as badly as they did.

Andor will be, what, 8 hours or so of total content? So 3-4 movies worth of content. Cut some fluff out and you have -- what's that? A trilogy?

Centered around a side mission. That's it. An almost throwaway component of the overarching storyline and when combined with Rogue One it would've absolutely torched anything this entire saga has to offer short of A New Hope and Empire (which it would've gone toe to toe with).

And as I've referenced elsewhere, the EU offers INCREDIBLE stories and characters all over the place. Many of which could've handled the post Yavin period incredibly well and provided spectacular sequel material.

It's just such a damn shame that they fumbled those and seems almost impossible that they managed it.

Likewise. I think I will come back for one month and cancel.

As it should be.

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With Favreau as his #2

Oh...wow. A trilogy of two Andor movies and Rogue One? Holy shit. It would have been better than the original three. It would not have been for the little kiddies, though. Skarsgård is not selling toys with that speech.

This thread makes me think I'm in bizarro world.

Yes it would've been.

But I didn't want to upset the fanbois so I was gonna let someone else say it first.

And that's the biggest disappointment with the sequels. There are WAY better stories to tell than the Rogue One story. And any one of them told with the kind of dedication and care that Andor/Rogue one got would've blown away anything the OT had to offer.

It would have been -- SHOULD have been -- LOTR caliber epic. It shouldn't have been the standard by which the genre is judged, it should've simply redefined what the genre is.

Virtually unlimited resources, a goldmine of story idea, massive fan support and anticipation -- and by far the best effort they could manage was a lukewarm rehash of A New Hope.

It's just remarkable what a wasted opportunity that was.

When the movie got to Scarif, it became the best "Star Wars" ever put on film or TV. Best quality ever.

:deevee::deevee::deevee:

You just hate on everything. It was awesome.

I am so confused right now.

Oh, sorry. Thought you were talking about Rogue One LMAO

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Anticipation....growing

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Hope there's plenty of K-2SO in season 2.

get that AI shit outta here