That one Mecole dropped might have stuck in his facemask if his hands weren't in the way...

To all the Mahomes doubters:

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That’s not true though. We caught a huge break today with Love playing. We lose that game if Rodgers is playing.

No offense but I’ve seen this a lot and it’s like people have never watched him play. Mahomes is an elite pocket passer from day one.

I have a feeling that's happening no matter how this season turns out. We talk about how this that or the other doesn't look right, but Andy doesn't look right. Or sound right.

I attribute that mostly to Mahomes not taking huge drop backs as often and he definitely stepped up in the pocket netter today than recently. That’s definitely a good thing that hopefully goes back to being second nature for him so he doesn’t have to think about it.

I feel like the first 10 - 15 scripted plays are pretty decent, then everything goes to hell quickly after.

I wonder how much we miss having Fisher and Schwartz to buy him a bit of time from edge rushers? It still always seems like the rush is in his lap

He really looks unhealthy. Dude can barely walk.

This is dumb. He has been an elite pocket and elite pocket passer in his career. The way you guys talk, it's like he's a system QB who's only good in one system.

Like if he can't find the wide open WRs just because he's in a pocket, then I don't know how you can be positive about the whole situation. Its like saying a RB is only good when he has bad blocking. Makes no sense.

Something is just wrong, either mentally or physically or both.

I don’t what’s changed this season that could fully explain Mahomes’ struggles, but that boy ain’t right. My best guess is that the trauma of last Super Bowl has given him PTSD in the pocket. But who knows.

Fair enough. Good point.

When has he ever looked healthy?

I am about half way through last season and it is probably a 2-1 ratio of out of pocket TD's vs in pocket.

He is Favre not Brady.

He has always been obese, but it's different now.

He’s going through a rut. I think he’ll get out of it.

I'll be honest, I turned that game off as soon as Hill caught the game winning first down. I didn't see how he looked walking across the field.

I don't think the things that are wrong are injury or distraction [at least off-field distraction].

In a balance as delicate as this, the mere passing consideration of thinking about what you DON'T want to do can alter what you DO want to do.

That little bit of his mind thinking [stay in the pocket, don't drop too deep, this guy sucks, this guy has drops, don't lead this guy too much, lead that guy a little more] instead of acting can be just enough, particularly if it snowballs.

He is otherworldly out of the pocket, but mostly that’s when other things are going well, such as passing from the pocket with accurate darts to any part of the field that keeps defenses watching the receivers instead of Mahomes. He is an elite pocket passer and finds open receivers and holes as good as any when he’s reading the field. Right now he’s been bailing too soon, abandoning plays and routes, and allowing defenders to watch him which is why there are so many tipped INTs. Today he was better at staying in the pocket and surprise, no INTs.

Not only that but we've been healthier than every opponent. We've played against teams decimated with injuries. Just haven't taken advantage until the last two games (and only barely at that).

I think this is a huge part of it.

I wonder if Andy is able to do for this team, what he’s done the past few years.

The offense needs to adjust, and coaches need to create and coach these changes in a way that the players can pick up and execute.

The passing game is Andy’s baby, and it’s a mess, Bienemy never seemed to have the responsibility of creating and scheming the passing game, and Kafka is an unknown.

Is there something to this possibly?

How can he play at that high of a level all the time? He took a breath. Had a kid. Lost a SB.


He will climb to the top again.

Yep.

I don’t know if I’ve seen an offense look so uncomfortable executing underneath routes and taking what the defense is giving them.

I know it was a brutal offensive game on both sides of the ball, but Aikman and Buck were about as exciting as watching paint dry. Aikman is a huge bore. He could break things down like Romo, but he refuses to do anything but state the obvious.

I am not saying he can't make those throws but at least in previous seasons he didn't play in a traditional pocket. Alot of his "pocket" TD's were him drifting 10 yds + behind the OL and chucking it. Very few were him staying in a traditional pocket or stepping up. He stayed in the pocket today and it was his 2nd worst performance of the season. It isn't who he is.

Also have noticed at least last year 80% of the time down inside the 15 we ran designed roll outs very successfully. It has been a long season so far and don't know if we are doing that this year.

Maybe we should give defenses some credit and they definitely are defending him different.

My wild guess is it's been the mental pressure and exhaustion, and that he's probably put a ton of the former on himself going into the season... hopefully with a couple of wins, even against the dumpster fire NYG and Rodgersless Packers, can help with calming the **** down and playing his game.

Mental pressure and exhaustion from playing a game for a living and getting paid well to do it. That's a bunch of bullshit.

Defensive coordinators have figured him out and he needs to adjust. Plain and simple.

Yay, this again.

Don't know what to tell ya... you're either trolling or have no concept of what it means to be passionate about something (much less passionate about being the greatest ever at that thing), even if that thing isn't open heart surgery.

I wouldn't watch sports if I didn't think at least some of the players gave a shit beyond a paycheck.... and just a wild guess, the guy running for 500 yards in the Super Bowl even after his team is down several scores is the one who gives a shit. :shrug:

One thing I wonder with Mahomes is his bad performances could be compounding on him mentally. Think about it, from HS, college, and even his first three years no one has been able to slow him down. Sure he has been on teams with horrible defenses before, but he has always just balled out. Now he's had a couple of bad games and perhaps it's weighing on him and causing him to force things more.

I think this is related, but tangential, to my point. I don't think he's off so much because of 'weight' of not succeeding, so much as his attentiveness to advice to correct his errors is interfering with his natural rhythm. Might label it backseat driver syndrome. The advice might be useful in itself, but the processing of advice interferes with normal processing.

Yeah, I'm probably repeating myself to you from previous conversations, but I can 100% see someone as passionate as him going into the season on a mission after that SB loss.

I mean, Kelce literally said during the playoffs last year that all they were looking forward to all offseason after the SB win was to get back to that stage, and that every week of the season, he just wanted to get back to the SB... and that was one fan narrative during all the close games, was they were more or less going through the motion in several games.

So, you get your ass kicked in the Super Bowl and maybe the regular season means a lot more the following season (or just a lot)? Then after a comeback win, shit happens... and keeps happening..... and keeps happening.

And you go through the basic phases of putting more pressure on yourself, forcing things, okay going back to basics.... and bad shit keeps happening.

And it's just as much of a guess as other narratives, but seems that way in his body language and in the frustrations of him and Kelce in particular.... they're definitely not relaxed and having fun.

Yeah, to the point of your first post... a difference in "being in the zone" and getting out of your head about it.

I played a season of dodge ball a few years ago and totally get it.

Please don't try to make Patrick dodge a wrench. . .

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SNEED ****IN RULES

oops uhhhh wrong thread lol

You can understand how hard it is to be patient when you're team can't stop shooting themselves in the foot. A beautiful momentum builder. Terrific drive, excellent defensive stand, and then a ****ing special teamer fumbles it. Total momentum swing. Can't make this shit up. How can a qb trust that a patient approach will work?

And the thing is that it just.... keeps... ****ing... happening. The number of picks that have been off the hands or bounced of a helmet. The complete defensive breakdowns, offensive and special teams fumbles, etc.

I've seen Mahomes' face plenty of times and can totally relate to the lunacy.

He's looking pretty good so far imo

What feels different about today is that he didn't panic when it happened. Maybe he has more confidence in the defense. It feels like after a dumb mistake by a teammate that's when he starts to press.

Yeah, everything about the offense seems more relaxed. They've had spurts of that, mostly at the beginning of games, but have put together some good drives tonight.

Next step is to start hitting those deep throws again

Overall pretty good first half

Nothing like internet guy who has never done anything with the amount of public scrutiny or time/energy needed as a pro athlete, saying that feeling exhaustion or pressure is BS because it's "a game" and they get paid well for it.

And yet that same internet guy will blow up said player's Twitter telling them how much they suck if they have a bad day, or vilify them for doing anything other than working out or watching film 24/7.

Seems more confident tonight. Hopefully he can keep it going.

The only critique I'd give Patrick is his accuracy/touch on deep passes are inconsistent

Look at what happens when you play in rhythm and don't pass over your hall of fame tight end

We did that much of the first half of the season.

Look what happens when your defense actually makes stops? I wish I could say about not making dumb mistakes but....

We can't play in rhythm because our defense and dipshit turnovers have made every drive do or die.

Been the case for his entire career though.

Seeing this offense execute and... FFS, it's not that difficult to take what the defense gives them, right? And no matter how good or bad the Raiders are or whatever, these guys didn't even look remotely good against the NY****inG.

Leads me to lean towards Mahomes being hurt in previous weeks.

Of course, not shooting themselves in the feet helps a lot, too.... but, damn, where the **** has this been?!?

Hopefully if he is hurt, he can get through one more game. After Dallas they will have a bye and he can recover some.

Carrception

The offense is also running the cover 2 busters that have been mysteriously missing from the playbook until now. Running behind a dominant interior OL, dump passes to RBs in the flat, and even saw at least one quick slant. Only thing missing seems to be the 4 deep routes.

Bad defense or turnovers shouldn't stop you from hitting Kelce when he's wide open.

That pass to Tyreek to seal the game last week got him out of his funk. He looks like vintage Mahomes tonight.

Yeah, seems like we've seen it forced at times, like the scripted plays to start the NYG game... then other times it disappears. There have also been times when the outlets are there, but Mahomes is set on going downfield.

Looks like they've found a far better mix tonight and that Mahomes is seeing the entire field.

It can if the qb feels pressured to play hero ball instead of taking what he's given. If he feels like we need to score TDs on every play and has seen way too many drives killed by dropped passes or fumbles, yeah you might start to press. And then make mistakes which further rattles your confidence.

This season probably goes a very different direction if not for all the careless fumbles in the beginning of the season.

I think the board will sleep well tonight.

Pretty good slump-buster game. Hopefully he can keep gaining confidence.

Can Mahomes get back in the MVP discussion after tonight?

I don't give a flying ****shit about that stupid award, and I don't think Mahomes does, either.

I'm fairly certain confidence has never been a problem.

The clowns trashing Mahomes the past few weeks will hopefully keep their mouths shut for a while after this one.

Ah, the defense has only allowed 33 points over the last two games. So not buying the whole "It can if the qb feels pressured to play hero ball instead of taking what he's given," bit. And he still made some mistakes tonight. And btw, the throw to Williams was not a smart throw. And there was someone on the opposite numbers that was wide open and had a legit shot at scoring as well.

But Pat looked 100% better than he has all season, mostly because he took what the defense was giving him.

And let's not forget that Andy called a pretty good game as well. Amazing how good Andy's offense looks if you just stick the ball where the defense ain't.

Going to be a long week for my son, he kept telling me Mahomes sucks..welp Mahomes sucks like Primus sucks

Well he did what everybody was suggesting he do. Hell until the last couple drives I'm shocked you weren't throwing up all over yourself at all the short completions and the Alex Smith type drives.

DISOWN

Amazing what can happen when he has some time to throw and his receivers actually get open and don’t turn passes into drops and interceptions.

Mahomes settled in and the struggles are starting to payoff. Line was better and he was patient. Now do it again!

You're writing him out of the Will

I've sentenced him to watch 3 constant hours of Matt Casshole as punishment.

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He threw the ball in 3 or less seconds...

And Kelce has been getting open all year.

Maybe now people will stop complaining about him playing from the pocket. His pocket presence was the biggest issue to me and that was completely fixed tonight. It’s not like he had all day every play either. He read the field and made quick decisions. On the TD to Pringle he had someone right in his face about to hit him. He bails on that play any of the recent games.

25 TDs and leads the league in passing yards

uh, yeah

Not like tonight. Again, if you give time for Mahomes to throw and his guys get open for him, he will find them. He always has.

Lol

I might try watching some of those games again. LMAO

It still blows my mind that some jokes here were trashing Mahomes the past few weeks after 3 years of MVP-level production like he wasn’t allowed to slump.

What was more likely, that suddenly forgot how to play quarterback or was it that his completely new offensive line that he was unfamiliar with was allowing more pressure than anyone in the league and that his receivers either weren’t getting open or dropping passes or fumbling the ball when they did? This shouldn’t have been particularly tough, but apparently it was.

I really did not think it was possible after Super Bowl 54 for KC fans to turn on him like they did. I was waaaaay wrong on that one.