What if the best player value isn't DE or LB? Then what?

You said they have to get a DE and a LB. That's not drafting for best value, that's drafting for need.

Look at it like this:

Ellerson Smith. Almost everyone has a 4th round grade on him. Small school guy, lots of upside, but raw and will need to be coached up.

Odeyingbo- 3rd-4th round grade, probably a late first round talent, but tore his achilles and probably won't help you in 2021.

It's entirely possible that those are your best players at edge when we come up at #58.

You absolutely don't do that when there are WR's that can help you right away, at least two TE's that can help you, probably a LB, some interior OL, all that can play and contribute to your team day one.

THAT is what player value is about.

I like Smith and Odeyingbo, and would be all about packing our #4 and the 2 #5's to go get one should they fall into the early 4th, but there's no reason at all to grab one in the 2nd.

Just go sign Ingram to be a rotational pass rusher, and see if one of the guys is there later.

Hate to break this to you guys, but we’re going to fill needs, be it now or short term future need.

Corner, LB, C, DE, WR. Every one of those are needs

Your just trying to get the best player at whatever need is on the list

He doesn’t understand that saying “trade up for a DE or LB” is the same thing as saying “draft a DE or LB” LMAO

It’s drafting solely for need either way, one is just more aggressive than the other.

The Chiefs should either draft a particular player at 58/63, trade up for one, or trade back for a particular group of players.

Position should have little to do with that outside of eliminating RB, QB, DT, and OT from the conversation.

Literally nobody disagrees with this...

Sure, but everyone's acting like the only chance to do so is the draft, just like for the last two months, everyone was acting like the only way to do so was the first wave of free agency.

There will be two waves of free agency to go; one post draft, and one around June. And there are still trades.

You don't need to reach to fill immediate holes today and tomorrow.

Um, yeah?

We have needs at about 6 positions. We're not going to just draft a QB for example. That would be dumb.

But we're also not going to pass on a potential starting center for a 4th-round DE, either. That's what we're talking about.

Exactly. Nobody.

If they are trading up it’s not gonna be for a 4th rd DE. Whoever the player is would be at the top of their board.

Stop reading JakeF’s reeruned posts LMAO

It will happen today.

Some teams have bad traders who give away the farm to move up a couple of spots, Chicago trading up 2 spots to get a shitty QB for no reason. Some guys are smart and always seem to gain more than lose when moving around. They trade down for 3 picks and then move back up for 1 pick and still get the guy they need.

You have to have teams that want to move down or teams that want to move up. They don’t materialize out of thin air.

**** you. You talk shit all the time but I guarantee I know more about football than you ever will. Just because you don't want to hear the truth doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

Interesting that Minnesota tried to trade up to get Darrisaw but ended up getting him at 23 anyways.
Sometimes you are wrong about having to trade up. Or lucky, I guess.

LMAO

of course

Teams can't make every trade they want. Some are just better at finding a good trade partner than others. Some teams know the stupid teams and trade with them.

There are going to be several trades at the top of round 2 tonight, almost always is.

This makes no sense. Why wouldn’t they have just taken him at 14 when he was available if they wanted to trade up for him?

Well they dropped down to 23 picked up a ton of picks and still got him, thats why.


Vikings tried to move back up for Christian Darrisaw before landing him at No. 23
Posted by Josh Alper on April 30, 2021, 12:30 PM EDT
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The Vikings came into Thursday night’s first round with a lot of draft capital and they added more when they went on the clock for the 14th overall pick.

A trade with the Jets netted them the 23rd pick and two third-rounders while costing them a fourth-round selection. The Vikings then sat back and waited to see if their preferred player would get to them.

General Manager Rick Spielman said “we were a little tight in the draft room” during that wait because they worried someone else might tackle tackle Christian Darrisaw. As the tightness grew, Spielman said he tried to make a move that would ensure Darrisaw landed in Minnesota.

“Once we got down to about four or five picks, when we went down to 23, we did try to go back up because we wanted to try to make sure that we got Christian,” Spielman said, via the team’s website. “We were unable to. Fortunately, we did not have to. We were able to keep our extra picks that we gained and still got the player that we coveted. So, it worked out very well for us.”

The Vikings now have four third-round picks and three fourth-round picks, so trading up into the second round could be part of the plan on Friday night.

Ohh so they tried to trade up from 23. I thought that meant they were trying to trade up from 14 at one point and proceeded to trade down as opposed to taking him there.

Just heard Milton Williams as a strong sleeper possibility for us.

Dude killed it at his pro day but not sure I want him this early

Yep. Hope so, but I don't see how he will.

I’d be pretty shocked unless they plan on him playing DE too, but his measurables are Donald/Atkins level great.

QB and DT probably only two positions we don’t draft in the second. We are deep there.

Kind of crazy, went down to 23 started getting scared, tried going back up then got him anyway. Risky but rewarding. You never know...

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I probably know the least about football on this forum.

I read somewhere that he had one of the best contested catch rates in the draft. If he’s there at 58 you take him as soon as possible.

Marcus Spears just said he would like to see the Chiefs grab Marshall

Just reading about Marshall's foot injury(ies) and i wouldn't be surprised if he continues to fall.

Big receiver with nagging foot injuries IS scary. I know it's not fair but i can't help to think of Sammy Watkins...Julio Jones.

Alshon Jeffery...

TBH i'd still take a swing!

Maybe they didn't think they had a shot because LA was going to take him so they traded down and then had an "oh shit" moment when he fell into the late teens?

He's being talked about as a possible mid-2nd now.

Also, I've seen a lot of people saying Humphrey will be the 1st guy off the board followed by Meinerz, not Dickerson.

Unless they won't clear him because of his foot. Then he's going to continue to drop.

Nah sounds like it was after they were already sitting at 23 that they looked into trading up, not at 14.

Also, didn’t they made the trade when they were on the clock and LA had already picked? And I don’t see any way they didn’t know LA was taking Slater. That was obvious.

Are we moving on from Nnadi and need a DT? I see the value just not the need at all right now.

Cameron Sample is a better overall player Boogie Basham.

That's what I mean. Maybe they traded down to 23 thinking of going in a different direction, not thinking Darrisaw would fall that far. Then when he did, they kind of panicked and tried to trade back up.

People do realize we signed Jarran Reed right?? We don’t need any more DTs

Spags loves have guys that he can rotate and Williams can play DE or DT.

If a really good DT prospect falls, you don't pass on him just because you signed a guy to a 1-year deal.

The thing that doesn't make sense - if they were worried he wouldn't fall all the way to 23, why trade down to 23 to begin with? Why not take him at 14 if you couldn't get a trade that didn't move down so much?

Sounds like the Vikings aren't very good at this.

I hadnt seen that he could play DE that makes hella sense if thats the case.

He's actually a 280-lb tweener. Probably projects best to 3-4 DE.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/milton...6-f99ade2bc77d

Will Carlos Basham still be around when we pick?

How is anyone supposed to know this?

Let me ask:

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simply asking for opinions.


JFC

I like Alim McNeill as a DT prospect, expected to go around where we pick.

Did it say:

Ask again later?

After watching a few clips, I wouldnt be devastated but still kind of cold on the idea.

My guy tonight is Dyami. I don’t think he makes it, but it’s who I want most.

Holtus just said that the 2nd round OL talent will push some good players down to us

Doubtful but not impossible.

Would a rookie DT even get any playing time? Or would he ride the pine all year like Saunders did?

It looks like it should, but i have to think the holes in between are going to be the guys we really like lol.

OT Jenkins (not on list) and WR Elijah Moore

Want some b/u support on OL and a speedy receiver to get in here and learn the system in case Reek bags ass when his contract is up.

Dumbest shit ever.

Oof. This is a huge waste of draft assets and will not go over well with the CP crowd.

Ditto. But....something something about shitting in one hand and wishing in the other.

Why is Jenkins falling? Thought he was like the #2 Tackle in this class.

Bengals could come out winners if they pick Jenkins

Wish list:
Carlos Basham
Asante Samuel

Who we get, zero ****ing idea.

Like I said, a guy like Milton Williams wouldn't exclusively play DT. He can play DE too.

So first of all, Jenkins was probably the 4th or 5th best tackle in this draft. Sewell, Slater, and Darrisaw were all definitely better prospects. So no, he wasn't the #2.

Second, all of the tackles fell. Sewell ended up with the Lions, Slater with Chargers at 13, and then Darrisaw fell all the way to 23. So it stands to reason that some of these other guys dropped into the 2nd round.

Finally, I've seen some chatter today that a medical concern emerged with Jenkins and that's got some teams thinking twice.

There's no way I'd take Jenkins. It's just too much when we already spent so many resources on the tackle position.

I'd rather take an inside guy that could potentially play center.

The Jags will probably take JOK. They need defensive help so bad

They're rumored to be looking at Barmore and Campbell.

Supposedly they want Tyson Campbell.

Lol beat me to it.

They just took a CB last year... weird.

The best part is that penbrook actually posted that Tweet in another thread so he already knew it. ROFL

The sleeper there is Radunz he's big and athletic plus multiple teams think he's a good switch to center candidate.

Bengals are going with Williams and Reif at OT, they want interior OL.

Yeah, I've been reading today that a few teams think he could play all 5 positions.

Lol I posted JOK right before I saw the barmore tweet and posted it lol. Should’ve deleted the JOK post

Yea and they signed Griffin too. Doesn’t really make sense.

lol

I have injury concerns but man he would be great if he were 100% healthy.

I like him or Meinerz.

I feel the same about Sammy Watkins and Will Fuller

Yep.