I thought Niang was pretty much locked in at Right Tackle.

Me, too.

100%, and it's easy to understand why :

Both SF and TB ate our line's assholes, and they did it right up the middle. The interior of our line was incredibly suspect.

Our tackles were great- TOO great, really. Fish and Schwartz (and even Remmers) actually covered up a lot of deficiencies along that interior line. So much that when Fish got hurt, any semblance of consistency or chemistry went with him.

When Fish got hurt in 2019, it almost derailed our season.

We can never have that much responsibility for the Oline rest on one person like that again.

We NEEDED to get tough in the middle. We NEED to be able to run the ball on 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, and do it consistently and without the opposing Dline 2 yards in the backfield as soon as the ball is snapped. We have seen that, as great as Mahomes is, he cannot do it all by himself.

At least my screen name wasn't created by a monkey pounding on a keyboard.

Veach, you got any more of them free agents?!
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I don't think Thuney is a downhill, power kind of blocker though. He's more of a pull blocker.

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:doh!:

This is true.

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We finally has some stability at LG. I forget who brought up Brian Waters being our last stable LG, but that was an excellent point. The position has been a turnstile for a long time and the Chiefs just brought in one of the best there is. Once Williams is signed, we have the makings of a stellar O-Line going forward. Veach still has a few tricks up his sleeve.

What position will LDT play?

Swing Doctor.

Move to left guard? Be a backup until everybody'd sure he's 100% back in football shape?

Camp cut.

Right guard, where he's always played.

Trade LDT and a 5th to Seattle for Lockett.

Seattle is thirsty for Oline, LDT gets to be closer to home, we don't have to hear anymore of his dramatic-music nurse duty butt-wiping stories, and we get a great #2WR.

I don’t know what it is, but many on this board gets who plays where at LG/RG and LDE/RDE mixed up constantly.

Closer to home?

KC is way closer to Quebec than Seattle....

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The guy isn't active on social media

I just meant north, but that's a valid point. lol.

LDTs contract is such that there is no real incentive to do anything with him. So he's here, whether only thing is to figure out is he a starter or backup.

Exactly.

The Chiefs are already carrying $10+ million in Dead Cap due to releasing Fisher, Schwartz, D. Williams, Okafor and Speaks, so there is no reason to add another $6+ million to that pile.

Also, believe it or not, LDT has a no trade clause.

Wtf ROFL

ROFL

Well played gentleman!:thumb:

It’s a $6 million hit on the cap this year. So why would you do that? He like Clark are unreleasable this year.

Exactly.

He's going to be the starting RG. People need to come to terms with it.

Which I’m actually fine with. Yeah he’s not all pro, but LDT is serviceable and knows the offense.

We've come to terms with a lot as it relates to LDT; we'll simply have to deal with this too.

I would say it’s probably his job to lose, but in no way would I say he’s the unquestioned starter at this point. I’m sure there will be competition.

Best point I've seen made on this signing yet:

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-rep...ard-joe-thuney

And we have decent depth at G now. Especially if we re-sign Reiter or draft a starting C. Then Allegretti becomes IOL depth too.

Thuney is obvious an enormous upgrade at LG. The Chiefs went from solid to elite at the position.

But hey, have we talked about what type of upgrade a healthy Kyle Long can offer at RG?

I know, I know. He was constantly broken from 2016-2019. Looking at the list of injuries, you can kind of connect the dots and see relation between things.

2016: Played most of the season with a torn labrum (left shoulder). Then suffered severe right ankle injury (on a player where he got overwhelemed/thrown off balance. Maybe by the unsteady/weak arm?)

2017: Shoulder injury week 13, ankle injury nagged him all season

2018: foot injury 1/2 through season

2019: Hip injury, retired

Is the story here a guy who got compromised up top and tried to play through it, suffered a severe injury to his lower body, and then never really got it all working again as the lower body injury continued to nag him and cause problems up the chain?

If that's the case... I can see a scenario where a year and some change off gave him time to get everything 100 percent healthy again and he returns to pretty close to what he was when healthy.

That player would win the RG job and be a LARGE upgrade there. And also could give reps/insurance at RT.

Long, if he can stay healthy, has the ability to win the RG job, for sure.

There's no risk. If he gets injured again, he's gone and the Chiefs are out nothing.

But as you've outlined, if he's had time to get fully healthy, he's an above average RG and certainly better than LDT. It's a plus move that Super Bowl contenders make.

I still think Thuney could be our best option at LT right now. He played LT in college and Belichick put him at LT all of training camp in 2019. He was ready to roll with him.

The guy is a damn good technician and an elite pass protector. He’s very Mitchell Schwartz like.

I want to hear Veach’s presser. We got Long, LDT is coming back and Wylie is too. I could definitely see that as the plan.

Unless something changes significantly, you could be right.

Thuney, Long, Reiter, LDT, Niang looks like our best starting group so far.


I imagine we draft a center and swing OT.


We still don't really know about Niang yet.

Lol no.

I am hoping Thuney is on the phone with Andrews, convincing him to come to KC.
Suddenly the interior of our line is SOLID. what a FIX that would be.

No way, Dude. No way.

If you believe PFF, Reiter graded out nearly 4 points higher than Andrews.

I never believed that Reiter would get $11 million per on the market but he's a solid center and a plus player in pass pro.

I don't think I'll ever understand this irrational Reiter hate on CP.

They signed Thuney to play G, hence why they were still trying to sign Williams after.

Nothing has changed.

If they decide to bring Reiter back, Im fine with that. Upgrading the Guards next to him will be a much needed improvement.

If not, I would like to see Andrews. Id prefer an experienced center, either way.

Kyle Long was introduced as a G

Joe Thuney was introduced as an OL

DRAMA ENSUES

I would laugh if Veach came out and announced him as our LT.

Every bit of this. CP has an irrational hatred of Reiter, likely due to him not being a traditional road-grader. For whatever reason, his pass-pro is vastly underrated, even though that should be priority #1. It's stupid, but it's what we do.

I’m sure Thuney would be thrilled to know he signed for G money only to play LT.

He seems completely fine with whatever. And he should because he just got a mega contract and has never actually played LT for any length of games in the league

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When asked if Chiefs have spoken to him about changing positions to center or even tackle, Joe Thuney says, &quot;Not yet.&quot; Adds that he wants to contribute to winning and whatever happens is fine with him.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1372608106266509313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly why the Chiefs won’t be depending on him to start at LT barring injuries.

Also, what do you expect him to say to the media? “**** no I’m not playing LT unless they give me LT money”.

Having him play LT out of necessity due to injury is one thing. Signing him for G money only to immediately plug him at LT is another.

Not fat enough. /Bizzaro Omaha

Where's this "he signed for LT money" coming from?

The franchise tender for guards is just a hair over $18M $14.5M.

Thuney's deal was 5 years, $80M or $16M AAV, so he's not even getting paid like a top 5 GUARD, let alone like a tackle.

My bad, reading the wrong thing. Edited.

I may be a loner on this one, but I'm really damn excited to be this much better at guard. And I'd rather thuney be elite at guard than good enough at LT.

Seriously, the best way to protect mahomes right now is to introduce playaction, screens, quick pass, misdirection. Guards will do that. I'm confident we'll at least find starter level talent at both tackles but think we're underplaying how much our interior upgrades improve our tackles.

Thuney is the best guard the Chiefs have had since Will Shields retired and I expect him to make a huge difference in the coming years.

This has been a great offseason. Looking forward to the rest of it.

I have no doubt in my mind that we are going to win the SB LVI

Chiefs struggle to run the ball, so people need a scapegoat. Again, no, Reiter's not the greatest, but he's not terrible. And given the LG position has been a perpetual revolving door since Jeff Allen walked away in free agency the first time through, they're tired of bitching about the lack of a Brian Waters. And LDT signed that long term deal, so it's not his fault either. Ergo, it's Reiter.

We were doing just fine running the ball when Osemele was healthy. My guess is this upgrade at LG will make people forget a lot about whatever Reiter's shortcomings might be (if we re-sign him as a starter, that is)

**** yea

Reiter is good at pass blocking, less so on the run. I think he would be even better with better guards on either side of him.

I am good with him coming back on a 6-8 million dollar a year deal.

11-12 million a year like some were forcasting is way too much to pay and we should let him walk if that is what he wants.

Would love to have Reiter back on a reasonable deal.

I agree because the more I learn about him, the more I get excited. There’s a bunch of reasons the center and tackle on either side of him always shined.

Brett Veach is going to put a badass kid next to him and Pat may never get sacked again.

Badass rook
Thuney
Reiter
Long
Niang/Remmers

That has a potential to be a really good OL.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Thuney can solve a Rubik&#39;s cube in less than 120 seconds. This might be the best two-minute drill in the NFL 😳 <a href="https://t.co/6JuGjmqVH1">pic.twitter.com/6JuGjmqVH1</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1378002148672352258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's smart!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hello there, Mr. <a href="https://twitter.com/JosephThuney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JosephThuney</a> 👋 <a href="https://t.co/wnq8VshSez">pic.twitter.com/wnq8VshSez</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1397658802409725958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Allegretti holding the bags!

Has Thuney worked out at RT any thus far?

Some PFF guys was talking about how if Niang isn't ready to go at RT this year, the Chiefs might move Thuney to RT because we have so many Guards.

Brown, Smith, Humphrey, LDT/Long, Thuney

If Long is ready to go that is a seriously talented Oline. Brown and Smith bring some serious power to the left of our line.

Thuney is a technician that can be a quality OT. The Chiefs signed Thuney to a tweener contract, paying him between a guard and a tackle so it fits.(from another NFL guy)

You're going to get butchered for referencing PFF guys and for suggesting Niang won't be ready, and you absolutely should.

1. Thuney isn’t playing T barring injuries. Remmers will be the RT if Niang isn’t ready.

2. He wasn’t signed for “tweener money”. He was paid like an elite G, which he is.

Did PFF run a Standard Hyperparametric Integer Transvector on our roster? I don't have any advanced statistics on hand like PFF does, but I just eyeballed a few of the variables, added a few simple co-variates, and punched a few numbers into the calculator on my phone, and I got the result, "If Niang isn't ready at RT, that's why they signed Mike ****ing Remmers you goddamn shit-chucking apes."

Further research might be needed, and again, I don't have all the data, but at least to me, that's what the results are pointing to. I hope PFF confirms my findings when their fancy beep boop machine churns and figures out the answer.

PFF
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Standard Hyperparametric Integer TransVector tests. Rep to you.

In what world would we pay a guy elite LG money to be a pretty good tackle at best, all so we can play a pretty good guy at LG in his place.

The Chiefs paid Thuney to be an elite guard, period. And there are lots of reasons why they thought a guard was top priority. If you don't think so then watch how quickly mahomes gets his shit pushed into him and how awful we are at running screen plays.

It’s damn nice knowing he can play LT effectively if needed. The guy is a ****ing awesome technician like Schwartz. It speaks volumes that the Hoodie himself was ready to roll with Thuney at LT a few years ago due to a camp dispute.

Joe Thuney can play LT if Orlando Brown Jr gets hurt and we need him to
Kyle Long can play RT if Lucas Niang and Mike Remmers both get hurt
Mike Remmers can play RT if Lucas Niang gets hurt and vice versa

It’s a great feeling to know that we are not just loaded but well prepared for Armageddon should it happen again

This signing looks even better after the draft and trade. Props to Veach for having the vision to build the line in the way it presented itself. Past GMs would have been laser focused on the LT position and that's it.

His thing is probably legit, the equipment works.

This in a strange way ended up being sort of forgotten about. Our biggest actual signing of the offseason and other than the normal CP arguments really doesnt get talked about much.

This seasons team will be the most talented of the Mahomes era...so far.

Ever seen a LG head fake?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sneaky good blocking here. Thuney with a great down block. Brown swims over the defensive lineman and uses a club move to propel him forward. Smith doesn’t even really need to block him. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/KyppMh8zWu">pic.twitter.com/KyppMh8zWu</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1450558770380222470?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This dude is a ****ing man. Playing with a broken hand and there's almost no drop off in play

Definitely one of my favorite players on the team. Legit badass.

That little "Aw, dang it" clap from Trey after the play lol

Either dude really wanted to lay someone out and didn't get a clean shot or he was annoyed that we didn't get into the end zone there.

EDIT: Never mind. I see now that the second guy he tried to get a hat on actually ended up making the tackle.

i like how that was a brilliantly blocked play but if our beast **** of a LT does his job it's a TD

we have so much room to go from elite to otherworldly