<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NL teams to win 14+ in a row in September, last 100 years:<br><br>1935 Cubs<br>1965 Giants<br>2021 Cardinals</p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1441598519035392012?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was the most spectacularly zany double play I've ever seen lmao

Followed by a 3 run ninth and still no outs! This is just getting ridiculous.

During this winning streak they have outscored their opponents 105-48!

Gold gloves on 1B/C/3B that know how to lure, play that when you have poor base runners.

15

That would be 15 in a row

They need to save some of whatever it is they got going on for the postseason.

That’s the kind of stuff you see in the “team of destiny” type off season films.

Best in 120 years of teams.

Enjoy this, folks. I've been so frustrated with this team. In August, I went to my only game in Busch for me and middle relief blew a four run lead and I pretty gave up on them this season. What I'm watching now appears to be a completely different team. We may not even get past the Dodgers in the WC but what a great ending to the season that can only provide some kind of hope for the future. I've got to believe that Arenado is loving this.

Yeah they lose to the Dodgers it’s been a productive season because O’Neill emerged as a legit middle of the order bat. That’s huge.
This is a good core to build into a legit contender
Goldy
O’Neill
Arenado
Carlson
Gorman

With that core you can take Carps money, without taking a penny out of Dewitt's pockets and buy us a $25 million a year FA pitcher.
That gives us
FA pitcher
Flaherty
Liberatore.

Again a good core to build around.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolute insanity. <br><br>TV: Bally Sports Midwest<br>Stream: Bally Sports app<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> <a href="https://t.co/M3dUbZfgic">pic.twitter.com/M3dUbZfgic</a></p>&mdash; Bally Sports Midwest (@BallySportsMW) <a href="https://twitter.com/BallySportsMW/status/1441873998686556167?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"How can you not be romantic about baseball?"

Stuck at 69 losses since 9/11. Couldn’t write that script in Hollywood.

Yes, I'm in Cardinal Country and proud of it.

Holy shit some drama going on in the 9th inning.

Make that 16 now. And the magic number is uno.

At least one of my teams is playing well right now.

Another wacky way to end the game. Tuned in to see Schildt get tossed

He gets tossed all the time. I love that guy.

How in the **** did they screw that up so bad?
Okay, its an infield fly rule that was never called. The umps screwed up but okay, thats the right call according to the rule book. Batter is out and runners back to 1st and 2nd. How did they end up at 2nd and 3rd?

And if they advanced on their own as was their choice, the guy got tagged out at 2nd base. If its a live ball, why are the umps calling time on their own? If its not a live ball, why are the runners on 2nd and 3rd in scoring position to possibly end the streak on a base hit?

The only thing I can think of is they called infield fly, so batter is out no matter what. I suppose at that time it doesn’t necessarily mean there is a force play at any of the bases since they are running after an out at first meaning they needed to tag the runner at 3rd for an out. They did tag the runner after he rounded 2nd, but the ump for some fricking reason called timeout before the tag.

The thing I wonder is if it is infield fly wouldn’t you need to tag up before advancing? They should have stepped off and thrown to the base of whoever didn’t tag the base before advancing.

Nice article summing up what has driven the recent streak.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/y...yoff-position/

Its advance at your own risk and no need to tag up after infield fly rule is called. Ump just completely ****ed it up calling time.

It was called - umpire at 3b clearly put his arm straight up as Arenado pursued the fly. That was when the IF fly was called (and why the runner at 1b was still declared out).

At that point the rule is that the force is no longer in order and any runner has to be tagged. So when DeJong took the relay at 3b, tagged the bag and fired to 2b, nothing actually happened and that runner is still safe. The throw to 2b was also not a force.

The problem comes with the umpire at 2b. He made an 'out' call at 2b, presumably because he missed the infield fly call. In calling the runner out on the force, he presumed the runner vacated the bag after being called out. That's when the umpire realized he ****ed up and called time.

Since he called time before the tag was put on the runner, he waived off the out (even though the tag should've secured the out). The problem is that his presumption was incorrect - the runner had overrun the bag independent of the out call. Calling time was A) wrongheaded and B) just wrong. It was based on a faulty assumption and frankly even if it wasn't, the umpire doesn't get to just call time mid-play like that.

The runner at 2b should've been out (runner at 3b safe) but the ump at 2b gacked the call and then the crew chief backed his guy.

Yes, had they tagged the runner at 3rd initially instead of stepping on the base it would have been game over. I wonder if the ump just wasn't heard. It is strange all around. You don't run if you hear the infield fly called, or at least you should be damn sure you can make it, and that certainly wasn't the case.

Based on that, then the runners should have scored in the ATL playoff game?

They didn’t advance in that game. The butthurt in Atlanta was that the infield fly shouldn’t have been called in the first place.

Correct.

Braves were pissed that IF fly was called at all. Once it's called, it's final. The instant the IF fly was signaled, the batter was out.

The runners advanced (which they could do either way) but the batter was out regardless of what happened at that point. When the ball fell between Kozma and Holliday, the Braves believed it should've been bases loaded and 1 out instead of runners on 2nd and 3rd and two out.

By rule they were wrong. And frankly I still believe the umpires got that call right.

And the IF fly rule is the simplest rule imaginable yet it ALWAYS gets screwed up somehow.

I got in an argument with a buddy on a slow-pitch team where he popped up a ball with a runner on 1b to SS and walked down the line. The umpire didn't call IFF, the ball hit the ground and the SS went ahead and turned the DP.

He was pissed that IFF fly wasn't called - it isn't supposed to be. He was wound up because the IFF is designed to keep the 'intentional drop, turn the DP' thing from happening. I had to explain to him that it doesn't consider a batter being lazy or throwing a temper tantrum and getting himself forced out at 1b for the DP.

There has to be 2 baserunners who are in a 'force out' position (i.e. 1st and 2nd or 1st, 2nd and 3rd) and less than 2 outs. If there are runners at 2nd and 3rd, no IFF. If there's just a runner at 1b, no IFF because the idea is that the runner at 1st still runs to 2b and the runner at the plate replaces him at first if the ball is dropped. If there are 2 outs there's no IFF because there is no utility in letting the ball drop.

It's really damn limited. And its impact is also super straightforward. It's really bizarre to me that fans, players and occasionally even umpires will mess this up. The best I can figure is that the confusion springs up when players just don't hear the call.

And yes, the Braves play was absolutely an IFF call even though it was in the OF grass because Kozma (an IFer) had settled under the ball and could've let it drop, then fired to 3rd for one and back over to 2b for two.

Would you guys rather have the Giants or the Dodgers in a one game showdown?


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Dodgers.

Not because they're easier to beat - but because they're far harder.

Gimme a coin-flip game. Bad teams can beat good teams in a single game. Have the worst team in MLB play the best team 10 times and 1/3 of the time, that shitty team will win.

Have them play 10 seven game series and the shitty team won't win a single one of those series.

Gimme the Dodgers in a coin-flip game. If we can knock them off, we have the Giants and Braves/Phillies/Brewers to get through for another pennant. Well the Cardinals can play any of those 4 straight up. The Dodgers are the only ones a clear step ahead of the Cardinals talent wise. We might get lucky in a 1-off play-in game, we won't be beating them in a 5-game seris.

I want NO part of seeing Scherzer - Buehler - Kershaw - Scherzer - Buehler in a 5 game series against a team that has Justin Turner as probably its worst regular player.

Give me the Dodgers in the WC game. It's the only real shot we have at getting to the NLCS.

The rule also states "ordinary effort." Kozma was probably 100 feet from his position and the only time he really "settled" under anything was at the exact moment he peeled off of the play and let the ball drop as it landed another 10 feet behind him.

Even if he intentionally let the ball drop in front of him there's no way a double play is made as he was so deep in the outfield both runners were taking leads on the play. The runner on 2nd was 20 feet off the bag when Kozma was "settling under the ball."

How far would you say that ball would need to travel from where it dropped to 3B and then to 2B? 300 feet, give or take? Even if they are throwing the ball 90mph with picture perfect placement on the throw and record speed on transfers, it's mathematically impossible to get that ball to 2B before an even below average MLB runner, that's at least 1/3 of the way to 2B, could get there. The throw would get there at least 1 second late. And in terms of throwing a baseball 90mph 90 feet, 1 second means the 3B hasnt even released the ball yet.

Dodgers as DJ said, because they are going to be tough to beat. 1 game is our only chance. No way we best then in a 7 game series.

Loser say what?

So, I'm enjoying this run.

But I'm still incredibly pissed off.

FO literally did nothing during the season to make the team better. Happ and Lester are just warm bodies who are pumpkins and a historic win streak literally is putting them in a play-in game.

This team could have been division contenders if the FO literally did anything in June to stabilize the rotation or improve the bullpen.

There is 17

Punched their playoff ticket with No. 17. :thumb:

I guess I'm eating a full murder of crows because I thought they'd be lucky to finish at .500.

I hate to say this, but to be fair, they were underperforming, looked lackadaisical all the time and uninterested.

Who would we have given up? Gorman? Liberatore? Unless your trading them, your not getting a difference maker. So trading shit for shit and hoping to get some positive innings out of the old geezers was the best you can do.

They weren't underperforming, though. According to their Pythagorean prior to this run, they were overperforming.

Injuries decimated the rotation along with the BP being shit to begin with.

They wouldn't have had to trade for Happ or Lester in the first place if they signed a starter in the offseason.

The BP, along with Happ and Lester, is smoke and mirrors.

Enjoyable run, but the fact that they're in a play-in game, as opposed to having a chance at clinching the Central, is due to the FO's inaction.

no way am I defending a damn thing Mo does. Or the billionaire Dewitt’s need to make $30-$60 million profit every year.

I'm torn between this is fun and wanting Mo canned still.

I know that feeling all too well but no matter what, we are stuck with Mo next year. Not a chance in hell of him moving on next year. So just enjoy this respite of watching shit baseball.

Damn. I can't help myself. I love Cardinals baseball. Right when I start thinking about giving up on them, they jump up and do something amazing.

GO REDBIRDS

Yea this team is something, every time I write them off they do something crazy like this. Its been a fun stretch regardless of what happens.

On Sept 7th they had a 2.7% chance of making the playoffs and clinched the WC with 5 games to go. That is pure insanity but statics can't account for a 17 game win streak. I mean if they go a very respectable 12-5 in that span they would be fighting for their lives still.

Also I am enjoying the fact Carpenter is riding the bench hard and hasn't contributed to jack shit in this run.

He's contributed mightily by his absence. If that prick starts during that span they probably go 7-10.

Arenado says he’s staying not opting out.

Good to hear. Figured he would only opt out if he had a huge year.

he will end up with 35+ HR’s and 105+ RBI’s that’s a huge year for a Cardinal these day’s.

Looks like Carpenter started at 3rd today.

Lulz

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Devin Williams has made a catastrophic mistake<br><br>In celebrating the division title he essentially got too drunk, became upset, and punched a wall, fracturing his pitching hand. He will need surgery.<br><br>We have no words. <a href="https://t.co/xLYnQQauTU">pic.twitter.com/xLYnQQauTU</a></p>&mdash; IKE Brewers Podcast (@IKE_Brewers) <a href="https://twitter.com/IKE_Brewers/status/1443317080841916417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They just had a day off on Monday. Season ends on Sunday. **** him. He got $40 million to be a stubborn asshole and not even try to beat the shift.

The whole side of the infield is wide open. Just learn to put the ball there and you got a easy single. Do it enough and then maybe they will get out of shift you dumbshit.

No words needed.

https://c.tenor.com/3xqn3oQj9tMAAAAC...s-laughing.gif

I didn’t know Gorman played the whole 2nd half at 2B in AAA. I thought he was playing outfield too. That make Edman trade bait for starting pitching? Wonder what we can get for Edman and Dejong?

2B/3B Nolan Gorman (Triple-A)
Status: Positional practice

Gorman, the Cardinals’ top prospect, has put his best foot forward making up for the lost 2020 season, posting an .817 OPS (thanks in part to a three-homer game) across 117 games in his first taste of both Double-A and Triple-A. Most notably has been his positional acumen, playing second base the majority of the second half as he’s started to learn the position ever since the Cardinals acquired hot-corner stalwart Nolan Arenado.

I would not trade Edman. I doubt Gorman starts the season in the majors, and he’s the likely DH anyway.

I thought Gorman was supposed to have a good glove?

Why would you want to get rid of two starters for one possible starter? Who is going to start at the other position? Who is going to be quality depth for those positions?
Hopefully Carpenter will be GONE after this season.

He’s not Allen Craig, but average is probably his ceiling at anywhere but maybe 1st.

Well I guess they got the WC so just decided to take the night off. 17 games was enough.

Carpenter starting again today and just cost the Cards a run because he couldn't drive in a runner at 3rd with 1 out. I ****ing despise that piece of shit and at this point I cant give Schildt any level of credit for the win streak given he is still ****ing dumb enough to run Carpenter out there under any circumstances.

So someone PM’d me on Facebook and asked how I felt about the Dewitt’s maybe selling the Cardinals? Holy shit couldn’t get to Google fast enough….. but it was just old ass Shannon having a senior moment. :shake:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;There is absolutely no truth to that comment. Whatsoever,&quot; president Bill DeWitt III tells me about statement on radio broadcast that suggested the family as looking to sell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>.</p>&mdash; Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1443669960589512713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Carlson almost single handedly won the game yesterday. If they can keep performing like this at all levels who knows, 2011 may happen again.

He's got a good glove. He's struggle at times but it is his rookie year. He's not going to ever be Pujols level obviously but he will be a good piece you need on any playoff team. .265-.270/15-20/80-85 every year. Plus on the verge of a gold glove. :clap:

On a separate subject..........
I don't understand switching hitting in todays game. If your hitting .235/4/25 from one side and hitting .285/14/55 from the other. What's the advantage of hitting from the other side?

What teams have quality backups? This is baseball. Your good and not starting, you go to another team.

As for our team we are never having anything but at best, AAAA players as backup. Our starters go down, we take a hit, We cant change that.

I'm thinking we have a 3 year window starting next year before Flaherty's rookie deal is up. He's going to get big money from LA to go home. Dont want to waste a year.

WHEEEEEW!!!

Wainwright coming back for one more year. I see no problems with a one year commitment and he was our most reliable SP this year. We need all depth next year if this year was any indication.

Good news on Wano for one more year. Best year he has put together since 2014 and there may be a decent chance of holding up into his 40s with his command on the breaking stuff and not relying on power.

DeJong isn't a starting caliber big league SS. Hasn't been in 4 years.

I think far too many people forget how long its been since Paulie D showed the potential that made us think he could develop into anything more than a mistake hitter. 2017 is a long time ago - that guy's gone. He's not coming back.

PDJ is, at best, a solid bench hitter and nothing more. Edman is absolutely a Chris Taylor sort of Super Utility player in a perfect world. He's a very good defender but unless you're going to bat him 8th, I just don't see a good offensive spot for him. He's not a leadoff hitter - he doesn't have the plate discipline for it. He's going to live and die on his BABIP and those guys through massive cold spells.

If you have to start him, so be it. But he's not a guy you can start at SS defensively. Nor will he take an OF role from any of our regular 3. So that means he's at 2b, where Gorman presents a FAR higher upside over any meaningful timeline.

Then you go into FA to replace DeJong at SS. If you strike out, well at least Sosa will make more contact than PDJ and he's a better defender as well.

But really, the kind of deal you look for isn't combining the two - there aren't many teams looking to completely re-do their MI.

But if you could get the Reds to talk, a Paul DeJong for Sonny Gray trade makes a lot of sense for both sides. Or maybe someone like PDJ for Caleb Smith in the hopes of rehabbing Smith's value.

Team needs arms and the system is unusually bereft of them. It can't hurt to make some phonecalls.

Scherzer has faced the Cardinals twice this season, once with Washington and once with the Dodgers. He has allowed 10 hits and no earned runs in 14 innings, striking out 2.

How’s everyone feeling about tonight? Going to be tough to beat Scherzer if he’s on his game.

Sure is a close game. Proud of this team no matter what

Yea the offense looks too much like the pre September offense right now. Hopefully the bullpen can keep them locked down and the offense do just enough.

**** YOU WAINRIGHT!

**** U

Schildt is an idiot. And I didn't change that opinion during the 17 game win streak.

Wainwright owned your asses STFU.

CT3

SCOREBOARD BITCH

Take your 90 win bitch ass out of here!

**** YOU JACK CLARK