Whale, piranha or octopus to go with the shark

With the new CBA signed and a huge cap increase coming in 2021 I think they can work out something to get Jones signed.

No. Get picks

With the additional $10 mil in cap space this, signing Chris Jones to a long term deal will be easy. Signing him to a 5 yr/$110 mil deal is completely doable and wouldn't handcuff us financially. The yearly cap hit could look something like this

Yr 1 - $13 mil
Yr 2 - $17 mil
Yr 3 - $26 mil
Yr 4 - $27 mil
Yr 5 - $27 mil

Keep it low in the 1st 2 years and then in year 3,4,5 it will probably look like a very good deal because contracts are about to go crazy.

That’s great.

But are you taking into account the numbers of the Mahomes contract extension? How about the jumping cap numbers of Clark and Mathieu? The inevitable contract extension of Kelce (not a big jump, but will likely make him highest paid TE in league). So while you can make a Jones deal with low cap numbers the first 2 years, you still have to account for all the other rising caps numbers for those others.

That’s not even mentioning what we are doing at CB. I expect one high priced add there or a new contract for Fuller, which will likely be around $10 mil. annually.

Lot of factors to take into account when considering the Jones deal. Stuff I know Veach and his guys are already working on to see if it’s even possible.

I think it’s gonna hamstring us for a couple years if we resign him and I think Veach knows this. The question is does re-signing him outweigh what it’s gonna potentially cost us the next couple years? Likely roster depth and playmakers on offense, possibly an upgraded interior O-Line.

But I trust Veach so we’ll see what he does . . . . .

Have we even tagged Jones yet?

Chris might still stay in KC. We're all thinking in terms of what we know, but with the new CBA ratified, going forward there might be room for two 20 million dollar DLs on the same team. Or two 20M WRs, or whatever. Hell, once the cap hits about 240 million, teams might be able to afford three 20M guys and a 35M QB . . .

Chiefs have 2 exceptional players on defense...Jones and HB.

They have 2 "very good" players in Clark and Pennel.

They have 4 "good" players in Fuller, Thornhill, Ward and Nnadi...I'd possibly put Breeland, Ogbah and Okafor here also.

All but four or five players are replaceable....Hitchens was a terrible move by Veach.

Chiefs need to keep Jones...the odds of getting a dominant players in return is unlikely.

Frank Clark is as good as any player on this team not named Patrick Mahomes. It’s amazing that people still don’t acknowledge that

Why haven't we tagged him yet?

I agree. Now it’s awesome when Jones wrecks shit up the middle but Frank Clark is a stud.

Waiting to announce the tag and trade all at once?..

hopefully they have multiple offers.....

I don’t think we have the cap room, yet.

there's just no ****in' way guys.

You can't tie up $40m plus in half of your starting DL.

Agreed.

chicken shit mother****ers need to stick there red thumbs up there ass

Pull your head out of yours. Its not happening and Jones basicly has said so.

sorry that you missed the point here....I know its not happening

Chiefs have less than 24 hours to tag Jones. Veach better be in his office tonight working on a deal

Veach should be in his office working on trade when he's tagged.

That work is already done in all likelihood.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/

The new salary cap is 198.2 million.

Our top 51 right now (includes Watkins) is 205.7.

We had a roll over of 23.4

205.7 - 23.4 = 182.3

198.2 - 182.3 gives us our cap space of 15.9.

Looks like we really can't afford to have that top 51 number increase very much going forward, when you know Mahomes is going to take a big jump.

Gotta figure out Sammy Watkins contract too. He can’t make that much. Some sort of decision has to be made soon

Is that including Erving’s contract? Because he’s gone as well as Sammy.

Tag is 16.3, any trade partners know you're up against it

This one, Spotrac, doesn't list him. Only in the dead cap space. Over the cap still has him in, but they only have us at 6.8 million in cap space too. Not sure which one is more accurate.

Agreed. It’s not happening. Not with $40+ for Mahomes staring us in the face

Well maybe we can give him a couple of 96 roll packages of toilet paper to reduce his number. o:-)

The new CBA allots a 1.5 million cap exemption per veteran player with over 4 years on KC's roster.

This, in theory, gives the Chiefs $12 mil in relief...Jones just completed year 4.

You didn't ask this question in official CP format.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No surprise, but Chiefs are placing franchise tag on DT Chris Jones today, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239530220245352449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jones tagged.

https://lastwordonprofootball.com/20...gc4oq25OvKyMsw

Assessing the Chiefs' options with Chris Jones following the Colts' trade for DeForest Buckner

By Eric Eager

We’re into the second week of free agency, and for the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs, it’s been a quiet ride. Gone are starters Kendall Fuller and Stefen Wisniewski, and in are Mike Remmers and former XFL star Jordan Ta’amu. Sammy Watkins and his big ($21 million) cap number remain on the roster, while the Chiefs' ability to do much else is hampered substantially by having under $400,000 in cap space per our friends at OverTheCap.

The elephant in the room, as it has been since the end of the season, is star interior lineman Chris Jones, the fourth-most valuable defensive tackle in the NFL since he entered the league as a second-round pick in 2016. As we wrote about last month, the Chiefs were a bit hamstrung with options for retaining Jones prior to when free agency started, as he was reportedly commanding Aaron Donald ($22.5 million APY) money and a long-term deal. The Chiefs already invested two draft picks and a five-year, $105.7 million last offseason into edge player Frank Clark, further complicating matters.

As such, Kansas City applied the franchise tag to Jones ($16.1 million) and were likely trying to trade him to a defense-needy team for a draft pick in the late first round or early second round. Such designs were thwarted a bit early last week, when the Indianapolis Colts traded the 13th-overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for DeForest Buckner and then promptly gave him a deal worth $84 million over four years. Where it matters most, Jones is a better player than Buckner, putting up five more pressures on more than 300 fewer pass-rushing snaps than the former Oregon Duck, while playing on a far less-talented defensive line. Thus, a reasonable valuation of Jones would be $21 million APY and a top-15 pick after this move, neither of which is likely to be realized. So what should they do?

IGNORE THE COLTS' DEAL FOR BUCKNER

Markets tend toward efficiency, but the market for NFL players is a) not stationary, b) not big and c) not necessarily made up of completely rational actors. While we like the overall direction of the Colts under Chris Ballard, the Buckner deal was an overpay both in terms of draft-pick compensation and contract. George Chahrouri and I left all interior defenders off our analytics mock, and for good reason: Interior players do not provide the value play-for-play that mirrors even edge players, and coverage is more valuable than the play of both. The same applies to handing out big contracts to interior players: don’t do it.

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With Chris being on the non exclusive tag and the Colts moving a high pick and big cap space for Buckner, Jones agent can argue much. He can’t say “the fact a team has to give up a big pick along with a contract makes getting a fair deal done impossible” because Buckner was traded for a premium pick and a huge deal.

Chris is obviously finding out what his true value is.

Hopefully that leads to a big extension that he deserves.

NFL.com listed his projected contract as 5 years and $101.5 million.

Something I know for sure is Mahomes contacted Sammy and Chris and is willing to do a Mahometown discount to keep both in KC. The part that’s taking so long is the structure of all 3 deals so there is cap flexibility in the future and finding deals that satisfy all 3.

If all 3 are reasonable, I expect all 3 deals to be announced within a week of each other.

The hang up is possibly the upcoming TV deals due to the coronavirus complicating the amount the deals are negotiated for in many ways.

Everybody looks at the reported amount of the Aaron Donald deal and not the whole deal. The total years Donald signed for was 7, not 6.

The total reported amount is 6/135 to make it look huge, but he actually signed a total deal of 7/142.

If he’d sign it, I’d give him that deal immediately

Mahomes won’t get done until next year.

He might sign an EXTENSION this year to his existing contract once the 5th year option is exercised.

Yeah but none of that matters. Only what the rigged NFL masters want matters. So we should see Jones traded to the Raiders, Chargers or Rams, right?

I’ve pictured this happening too. I’d be interested in seeing the link you read this on please.

Could not disagree more. Passrush is more important than coverage. There is a reason that top corners are not gettin over $20M AAV.

Proof?

Whether from the Kansas City Chiefs or a yet unknown NFL franchise, Chris Jones is expected to get over $100 million in a long-term contract extension.

The team is unknown. The timeline is unknown. However, at some point from some NFL franchise, defensive lineman Chris Jones is going to get a mammoth contract extension in the near future. The total sum of that contract, according to NFL.com’s Anthony Holzman-Escareno, is projected to be $101 million over the course of five seasons.

For now, the Kansas City Chiefs are in control of who doles out that amount to Jones. As of this moment, Jones has been given the franchise tag, which would force him to play out this coming season as if it were a one-year deal worth $16.126 million. That is, of course, a wonderful payday for anyone reading this, but Jones has reached the rarified air at the NFL’s summit—a place only a few elite athletes climb, especially non-quarterbacks, in which a defender can earn $20 million per season.

All along, Jones has stated that he wants to retire with the Chiefs and the team’s front office has stated the same thing. General manager Brett Veach has said working something out with Jones is a top priority this offseason for the Chiefs.

The downside here is that the Chiefs already have $20 million/year committed to a teammate of Jones—in fact, a fellow defensive lineman, Frank Clark. In addition, the Chiefs have major money kicking in for wide receiver Tyreek Hill, safety Tyrann Mathieu, and the looming extension for quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Is there room for yet another highly-paid superstar?

That’s why, at this point, the team is unknown as is the timeline for Jones. However he can count on raking in $100-plus million at some point from someone and it will be interesting to see if the Chiefs can be the team to work something out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have started to get more calls on DL Chris Jones recently. He’s been up for trade for a few weeks now, but Jones is a name to watch out for soon. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a></p>&mdash; Open Table Sports (@OpenTableSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpenTableSports/status/1243259823300452352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Open table sports is definitely reputable...

:(

I went digging but couldn’t find the link. I assure you it’s legit, though.

I hope we get some good draft picks for trading him. We will miss his production.

I too would love to know how you, or anyone, could know this for sure. Is your name Brittany, Pat, Jackson, Pat Sr., Randi or Leigh? Hard to imagine anyone else knowing for sure he is willing to take a discount.

Chris Jones recently retweeted this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What I really want I haven’t received maybe because I don’t need it</p>&mdash; NBA YOUNGBOY (@GGYOUNGBOY) <a href="https://twitter.com/GGYOUNGBOY/status/1243382509670260740?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rams just gave DT Brockers $31.5M for 3 years.

Any impact on Jones?

If he’s gonna keep tweeting in riddles, I wish he wouldn’t tweet at all

Agreed. Not a good look for him.

Sammy does the same thing.

No.

Sammy approves/likes all mentions of him football related.

Jones comes off as pouting about his situation.

Okay you right. He leaves emojis to wherever his name is mentioned. Jones needs to nut up and not overprice himself. He should tell us how he really feels not play the Deshaun Watson game

Actually saying nothing would be best.

Jones also retweeted Ben Shapiro. Gained my respect

You can tweets way too seriously.

It was posted by a media member, I assure you. It was a direct quote from Pat. Sorry I haven’t been able to locate the quote.

:facepalm:

Why you posting this ignorant bullshit? The logic that interior players don't provide as much value as an edge rusher does not apply in this situation, because Chris Jones isn't your typical DT. He gets after the QB as well as some of the best edge rushers in the league.

Having a DT that gets after the QB like Jones is much more valuable than an edge rusher. Inside pressure is key as QBs are taught to step up into the pocket and when Chris Jones is collapsing the pocket it makes it impossible for a QB to do it and makes edge rushers jobs alot easier. PFF is stupid as ****

Oh shit some more "evidence" for the CP sleuths. ****ing idiots. You realize he has a life outside football and not everything he posts is football related.

Relax.

Times are slow. Discussion here is a nice break from the apocalypse.

Yes...keep clinging to hope. Your tears will be so much more delicious in the end.

Why would I not cling onto hope when it comes to my favorite player on the D. The fact that youd find joy in anything related to Chris Jones not being on the Chiefs next year just shows how completely reeruned you are

You're a dipshit.

Exactly. He's a dipshit.

I was pretty close. $60 mil guaranteed is tied for the most guaranteed for a defender.

Sammy signed his redo before the other 2...

I thought it would be 3/60 and it ended up 4/80.

Missed it by a year.

Jones & Mahomes both gave discounts to keep this team together. Special culture in Kansas City.

So did Sammy

Sammys comments make me think that he’s in the future plans for the Chiefs beyond 2020 season

He could finish with a handful of rings- why would he want to go anywhere else?

This is a nice selling point for the Chiefs.

60 million guaranteed. As far as robberies go, that number puts him just what, 7 million dollars below Matt Cassel?

At least Jones can put his ****ing hat on, if he doesn't hurt his little wrist in the process.

Damn things change fast in the NFL.

I never thought we would be able to keep Jones with Clark at the time. Having 2 DL's making over 20 mil each was unheard of and honestly a crippling move for one group. Like everyone else I was happy we did but like other big contracts for players they rarely work and don't bite you in the ass. It seems they always get slammed a stupid move quickly after they have been signed because the player can't keep up the production that justified the pay increase.

Clark and Jones were a big reason we won the SB in 19 and now their deals are cement boots on a team that certainly won't win it again this year. Clark will be gone but still 12 mil in dead cap and Jones we are stuck with for the next year and then a 7 mil dead cap if he's gone.

Only the QB is worth over 20 mil per season.

It might not be as crippling if they were playing to all-star level.