Nelson is towards the top of the list unfortunately. Draft is where we’ll find em

Is Emmitt Thomas confirmed retiring/leaving?

If yes then hopefully they don’t just promote Al Harris.

I know. People on this site can be really stupid about trade value. The Raiders got 2 firsts for Mack. Granted, Ford is no Mack. But to think that he would only bring a 6th if anything is ridiculous. Pass Rusher is a premium position. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see someone give up a first for him. Remember. People on here didn't think that we would get anything better than a 3rd or 4th for Smith. Instead, we got Fuller(who was worth at least a second) and a 3rd.

Lol it amazes me. Someone earlier said a conditional 7th smh. Plus Mack also brought 2 2’s. A 1st 2nd and 4th is where id start. Settle for a 1 and 3

Good. 4-3 under it is.

Teams trade 3rds at the trade deadline for half season rentals. We should be able to get a 2nd and maybe even a 1st if we're lucky.

Lets remember Amari Cooper got a 1st and looked like shit in OAK. Ford led the league in pressures and plays a premium position.

Where do you keep getting this shit that he stopped Brady twice? Brady faced him twice and went 1-1 and the Patriots had no problems nearly getting 30 again the one other time they went head to head that the Patriots won.

You think that a Head Coach that barely can bring himself to acknowledge the defense during games actually planned a full year ahead to select players to fit the next scheme?

If he hurt the performance of his current team by selecting players that fit next season's scheme he should be kicked in his nards.

Bleeding Red says no. So there’s that.

Sure.

But let's call this what it is: Reid bringing someone he knows in. Someone whose most recent performances led to bottom ranked defenses. To fix a defense already ranked at the bottom. This is not a great situation on that side of the ball.

This looks like every single defensive hire the Chiefs have made for the last 15 years. Head coaches hiring buddies with sketchy records. Over and over. . We all know what that's gotten us. But this time! This time will work!

Maybe eventually they'll try something else. Like, you know, how they drafted a QB finally.

Course, half the board hated that at the time because it was risky. Nobody seems to remember that now. Same reason people like this hire. Somehow it's safe. At least that's how the rationalization goes.

News flash: it's not safe.

Doesn't mean it can't work But it would be bucking the odds

:deevee::deevee::deevee:

I'd rather we give up a long touchdown then watch a team complete 5 yard passes all the way down the field at least it would give our offense more chances

Did you watch the games? If so you saw him talking to mahomes on the bench while the defense was on the field. Also had a first year coordinator he was coaching up. Just to clue you in, Reid has always let the DC do his own thing so he can worry about the offense. I’d say it worked out pretty ****ing well besides ford lining up offsides.

He can't find that damn clicker thing

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Well here's to another 4 years of a crap defense. His record as a DC is terrible. The last 6 years he had only one very good year. As a head coach, he was worse.

Definitely not true.

Also gotta think contract

When other teams would have been going for a cutting edge elite coach, we are going to a guy that gives Andy someone to go out a have dinner with after practice.

alright, shake it off. Lose the negative attitude.


We are going to be ok
We are going to be ok
We are going to be ok

The Chiefs would love to cut him but they don't have to. If a team wants him, and a pro bowler entering his peak will no doubt be hot trade bait, they're not going to let a measly pick stand in their way. Worst case, the Chiefs can cut him and take a high comp pick. We'll get something for Ford. It's hard to believe they'll just outright cut him.

This time eleventy billion.

Can he stop 3rd and 10 with three straight trys at it? Then give him the f'ing job!

Is that the ONLY alternative you can think of.

The ONLY one?

Like I said in an earlier post, venables would’ve been the home run hire. But you’re just looking on the surface. Spag was a shit HC and had terrible defenses on that team, then had the saints when Sean Payton was suspended for the season bc of a targeting scandal. He wasn’t brought in to be a HC and will have way less responsibilities than he did in St. Louis. Those seasons stats you might as well throw out bc not many ppl would’ve succeeded in those situations.

Before that he won two super bowls against brady. Only person to beat them twice. This hire isn’t as good as some ppl think but it’s not nearly as bad as you think.

Yeap.

But he’s getting his payday a year from now.

You sign him to $200m as soon as you possibly can.

Functionally, he is, is what I meant.

We’re paying his ass next year.

That was the same with Cooper too tho. Ideally we franchise him and trade him for someone like Landon Collins who is familiar with spag and will also be franchised and need a contract. That would help offset some of that concern.

Let’s not forget this is the guy who held the greatest offense in history to 14 points to win the SB. Saints had a terrible roster on defense in 2012 due to cap wrapped up in old players and players retiring. He inherited a bad defense in NY in 2015 and turned them around in 2016 and 2017.

Our defensive roster is more talented than people give them credit for, an aggressive DC like Spags is gonna do great imo.

Let’s not also forget we only need the defense to be like 18th or better as a compliment to our offense, I believe he can do that.

I do agree there’s no where to go but up.

And I think we will go up.

Eventually.

Certainly not in the first year, as half our defense figures out how to do something else entirely.

So did Grandpa Bob end up in Tallgrass Creek, or John Knox Village? Does he get to have pudding? Grandpa Bob loves his pudding. Almost as much as he loves his game plan. He'll never lose his love for pudding, or sticking with his game plan. Next week, he's gonna game plan for the Rams and won't stop until he makes in his drawers. Idle hands are the Devil's playthings...

Good coordinators often make terrible head coaches. See Wade Phillips. 2 of his 3 bad years in those 6 years are easily explained. Bountygate 1 year. McAdoo fiasco (leading to mid-season firing) the second one.

We'd be foolish not to be worried about it. But his last 4 years of DC coaching have been absolutely cursed with bad luck that had nothing to do with him.

Our defense was already trying to figure out what Sutton wanted to accomplish besides giving up points. With spag it’ll just playing football rather than read and react bs like this year. No more two gapping every play

A defense that can get off the field on third down.

That's my point, he was talking to Mahomes instead of watching the defense play and maybe picking something up to help Sutton adjust.

I just find it hard to believe that Andy ignores the defense any time I've seen him but all the while he telling Veach to pick players up that fit a 4-3 scheme? Sacrificing this year for next year? I doubt that.

You really think these players haven't played other defenses? C'mon, man. It's not a defense full of rookies.

They will be better than 31st.

Is a 4-3 under REALLY that different?

Wouldn’t a good HC play to his strengths? Reid should’ve fired Sutton after the terrible colts playoff loss. He waited too long and ya that was dumb, but coaching up your future qb who will now win the MVP was a lot more efficient than wasting time trying to figure out wtf Sutton is doing.

TWO GAPPING CAN WORK.

I’m not a two-gap stan but the Ravens has the best D this year.

Am I the only one that remembers the transition from 2008 to 2009?

The front seven had to be completely re-done.

It literally has three rookies that will likely be starting, four if you include Speaks.

So.........

Sigh. Welp because chiefs.

Always the whore bridesmaid, never the bride.

I just read this dude Spag's bio. Jesus, I'm older than he is! He's been first, and he's been last in defense, and he actually HAS a Super Bowl ring, so maybe he can show guys what it is they're working for. He was a wide receiver in college, so maybe he has a clue how to stop a ****ING SLANT PLAY on third and eight! Everytime I say "Things can't get worse" somebody on the Chiefs grabs a shovel, so I guess we'll see. My pals over in St. Louis hate this guy, because he was the Rams HC and sucked big time. I guess we'll see. If he comes in and sucks, we whack him and go on to bachelor #2.

You’re absolutely right. But we have the best offense in the nfl and Sutton has his guys out there looking confused sometimes on all 3 levels looking like they’re thinking too hard rather than just playing ball. We can be aggressive on D because of our offense. We aren’t a ground and pound time management team like the ravens. They’ve also dumped a ton of resources into their defense.

Vikings had the best d, champ

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Do not mistake my frustration with Spags as an endorsement of Sutton.

That was 10 years ago. This is 2019. You don’t have a “set defense” anymore. It’s a lot of mixing and matching to the new NFL that favors offense.

A DC that has his players understanding what they are supposed to be doing would go a hell of a long way.

Well that completely renders my point useless.

Well I agree with your final sentence.

1 Tech-Nnadi
3 Tech-Jones
5 Tech-Kpassagnon/Speaks?
If you keep Ford put him out wide at RDE
Houston at SAM
Hitchens at MIKE
ODaniel at WILL

That's just with the guys we have right now.

No effing way

We'll see how it all plays out, but as of right now this is all shaping up into what Eagles fans were warning us about 6 years ago. I'm just not very confident about the decision making on the Defense by a guy that hired an OL coach as his coordinator once.

The team was dee Ford hand away from the Super Bowl with a historically awful defense. We don't need a risky assistant learning how to be a coordinator. This gives us a competent nfl defensive coordinator. We don't need the 85 Bears defense.

Chris Jones is not a 2-gap player. Seems like he got tired of waiting around because of the gaps requirements and just attacked the QB. His sacks skyrocketed but he was a liability against the run.

Exactly...

The 4-3 under isn’t even all that different from the 3-4 in a lot of ways. But it is a better fit for much of the personnel currently on the roster.

I’m just saying it should be easy to see Reid’s logic. Spag stopped brady. Only one to do it twice. Bringing in a college DC, an NFL position coach or a wildcard personality like Rex would have its growing pains and he wants to win now with no distractions like that. The list that fits that was short. I do think del rio should’ve been considered tho. Didn’t even hear his name and bengals can’t hire him til the rams are done with the Sb

Am I crazy for thinking Dee Ford could be Chris Avril esque for us?

Those fans would’ve loved to have him back 2 years removed from that. Also had mcnabb leading that offense who wasn’t nearly as good as mahomes and still took them to a SB and had a winning playoff record with multiple conference championship appearances.

Uh, yeah.

No, they were glad he was gone and still are. Even through the Chip Kelly era. Don't think the regret those few years at all since it led them to now.

This guy has a Super Bowl ring, he's beaten Tom Brady, he's been a head coach.

And some people aren't sure if he's better than Bob Sutton?

Lol that’s why they asked reid if they should hire his OC after chip?

Bob Sutton beat Brady, twice. Demoralizing him and the Patriots once, even. What's your point?

Which eagles fans also trashed. Eagles fans boo’d their team one game after winning a SB. Why give those reeruns any credibility?

well, in 2016 he had the #2 defense in the NFL so your stats are ****ed.

Well uh, you have to considering so far....they aren't wrong.

That 2014 Pats team was trash at that point...their OL was horrible.

That was not a monster team like the one Spags shut down.

Beating brady regular season and beating brady in a SB are two totally different things

They were pissed about the Pederson hire! Literally said it was the safe move. Heard it called Andy reid-esk. Said it would get them nowhere. They also were pumped about chip. They’ve been wrong at almost every point lol.

One goddam sack on Brady on the last 2 drives probably has us in the Superbowl. Spags' D was the first to get to Brady that year.

So we've talked about Bountygate in 2012. Joe Vitt took over for Payton as HC for 1 years. Several suspended players on Defense. Very good excuse for 1 year of failure.

This is absolutely worth a read. The Giants were the #2 scoring Defense in 2016. In case you want to be reminded of how big a disaster Ben McAdoo was.
https://deadspin.com/report-giants-p...doo-1820276114
Think this maybe has something to do with the Giants downfall in 2017? McAdoo had players playing full practices on Saturdays. Suspends 2 CBs. Spagnuolo forced to suspend Eli Apple at the end of the year. Players walking out of practice. So yeah... is it possible that the Giants 2016 defense, in the hands of a good head coach, could have been successful in 2017 under Spagnuolo? Again... for now it's an excuse, but there's a chance that it's actually a fair explanation.

What’s your infatuation with eagles fans anyways? You’ll have to let us know how their forum is lol

Correct me if I am wrong but the last 2 OC's Reid picked are now HC's, right? One of them with a ring as well.

No, it doesn't. I'm not sure that we aren't a better fit for a 4-3 than a 3-4 right now.

Houston - Nnadi - Jones - Speaks
Niemann - Hitchens - O'Daniel
Ward - Berry - Lucas - Fuller

Ford - He's the one that doesn't really fit a 3-4. We should Tag/Trade him.
Look to upgrade; Niemann, Speaks and the Safety position.


Houston - can no longer run well enough to play linebacker and is better at DE.

Jones - not a 2-gap guy, he was a liability against the run in a 2-gap system. He will be a very good 3-tech where is can just penetrate and follow the ball.

Nnadi - will hold the point, his specialty

Speaks - i'm not sure he's any good but he's built to be a DE.

Hitchens - more protected in a 4-3, will be able to move better and find the ball

O'daniel - should be a perfect WLB if he can stay healthy

Niemann - I dunno if he can start in the NFL or not.

Hm, okay man. You got me good.

I think that's where Reid is coming from. He needs someone the players can instantly buy into, knows what it takes to win in the NFL, can manage the defense without Reid having to intervene and can put together an average defense.

good news for AFC West QBs

Bailey is a FA. How does he fit a 4-3 or is he a gonner

agree on Ford, and I really was leery of paying him that kind of coin when he's so bad at run defense. I literally saw a Colts WR block him at the point of attack and blow him out.

Also agree that Houston's speed has dropped, but he's still plenty quick and powerful enough to play RDE. I think he'd be excellent there, might help him stay on the field too. Less running in space. If he wants to restructue, which I'd think he would. If he doesn't you have to cut him, $21m is too much.

It'll be nice to see if we have anything in our last 2 #2 picks as well; both Kpass and Speaks are DE's, not OLB's. They're not covering the flat for anyone. But stick their hand in the dirt and get up field? Maybe, yeah.

Paying Justin Houston 21.1 million to experiment with his hand in the ground full time doesn't seem like the best use of resources.

I'm sure he's taking a paycut, anyway.

If you think we're going to pay him $21.1 million dollars, you're stupid.

We should stop with the 4-3 vs 3-4. Defenses today switch by the down.