He’d help a ton here.

I wouldn’t touch him or Richardson with a 10 foot pole

I agree with Dane. I wouldn't touch him at all.

For most positions, I agree. ROLB needs an immediate boost though. Gotta get it wherever we can. A short term solution seems best. Ford is beyond trash.

My post was made with the assumption that it’d be a 1 or 2 year deal with the option of cutting him loose after the first year. If you can get the best version of the guy, it could be a major boost to a front 7 that needs help badly.

I just can’t see it, especially given the locker room

When healthy, Ford is very far from “trash”.

He’s not a super star but he’s a solid decoy that makes the defense better.

Ford’s speed at least puts another threat in the mind of the QB and OL that most rushers don’t present... that’s worth something. Should we be looking to upgrade him? Yes. But that’s going to much easier said than done this offseason given the circumstances. Best bet is that KPass becomes something special, which is not to be counted on imo.

I know a lot of people here want Norwell, but I just don’t think we will pay big money for a G.

I want Quinton Spain. 6’4” 330 lbs with long arms, nice athleticism and is a nasty SOBI think he’s one of the most underrated FA’s in the market.

Was PFF’s top rated G in the WC round.

But a RFA, so very unlikely to be truly available.

Damn you’re right. I thought he was drafted by them.

Few other thoughts:

1. I would sign KPL back if Veach truly wants youth. His arrest will likely drop his price tag and you won’t find a LB as athletic and young as him. I’d feel good with a battle between KPL and Eligwe at camp.
2. We desperately need some beef up front on the DL. I expect Veach to sign at least 1 320+ lb lineman.
3. I wouldn’t be surprised if Veach trades one of our 3rd or possibly our 4th rd pick for a known player on a rookie contract.

Some good thoughts here. I agree that signing Wilson should be a priority: https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...as-city-chiefs

**** Albert Wilson.

He played well last year because he was in a contract year.

If Veach signs a 29 year old safety that turns 30 next January, he's going against the very principles that he's set forth in this rebuild.

Not gonna happen.

He's a 100% liability against the run. I'd much rather have an average player against both the run and pass than a one dimensional dime store superstar pass rusher.

Eli Apple has been a cancer on a crappy Giants team. DRC is on the downhill. I'd take Fuller or EJ Gaines over either of them.

well and 26% of his yards and a quarter of his catches came in one game.

It has more to do with who the QB was than the WR.

Wilson is not a necessary signing. I'd spend that money elsewhere.

Houston had 5.5 sacks in the 5 games in which Ford was opposite him (Ford had 2 during that time span).

Over the course of the next 12 games, Houston had 4 sacks without Ford at ROLBer.

Ford is not a superstar but he's an effective player when healthy.

Unless the Chiefs find a late round gem in the draft that every other team missed on, Ford will be a Chief in 2018.

This isn't the year to throw $18-20 million at a pass rusher.

We’ve got youth there anyways that deserve their shot... I wouldn’t re-sign him unless it came for less than $3M per year, which it won’t.

I'd be shocked if Wilson wants out of here. He looked like a stud with Mahomes throwing him the ball.

I wouldn't overpay to keep him, but I'll be kind of surprised if he leaves.

I don't think Wilson is more than $3 million a year.

Good grief, he has 1,577 yards and 7 TD's in 5 years!

Also, what's the point of moving up for Conley and Chesson, drafting Robinson and signing Kemp to the 53 if they're going to shell out that kind of money for Alligator Arms Wilson?

Contract year

Exactly the reason I'm expecting to be pleasantly surprised with Dee Ford this year, most guys seem to have their best seasons in a contract year...nothing motivates quite like money

True, but the the guy who did that isn't the Gm anymore. Maybe Veach doesn't care for those players?

I'd prefer not to sign Wilson but wouldn't be surprised if they do.

Which of the receivers do you think would excel as the slot receiver though? Out of our young guys (Robinson, Conley, Chesson) I'm not sure I see any of them as true slot receivers. I'm iffy on Wilson, the one game with Mahomes he excelled but I'm not sure if that is because of the chemistry between Wilson and Mahomes or if it was a byproduct of not having other threats on the field.

I just don't think the Chiefs have any other slot receiver types currently on the roster. If you wanted to go draft a slot receiver, two names I would mention would be Anthony Miller out of Memphis (might be taken higher than I would grab him) or Keke Coutee who played with Mahomes at Texas A&M.

That's complete speculation with no proof.

Maybe a 2 year, $3 million dollar deal but the guy has been absolutely incapable of playing through a full 16 game season, he's not a game breaker, he generally drops balls that actually would change the outcome of games and he's not a Special Teamer.

He's averaged 300 yards and 1.4 TD's a year.

If Veach can't find that kind of production in Day 3 draftee, heads should roll.

They found Wilson as an undrafted FA. I think they can find another quality athlete to replicate what Wilson has done.

No reason to overpay when you have Conley coming up.

Veach didn't trade up for those guys. Thats not speculation. Basing a decision on something the previous regime did doesn't really matter anymore is all I'm saying. Trading up for those guys wouldnt look like the right idea if you re sign Wilson if it were the same regime doing it. But it's a different GM. I don't think those moves will influence that decision.

In this past few years offensive setup, the 4th guy wasn't ever going to have big stats. Behind Kelce, Maclin, Hill, the RB's etc, plus with Smith at QB, I don't think it mattered who was there.

I don't figure they'll sign Wilson back, but I also don't think he'll get near the $ some think elsewhere.

At this point, how do we pencil Conley in for anything? He's been pretty meh.

Veach was in the building and was the Director of College Scouting.

It would be weird as hell if Veach, the head scout who's scouted the guys the Chiefs moved up to draft, wasn't on board.

I suppose it's possible but still really damn weird.

I disagree. Wilson had plenty of opportunities to put up much bigger numbers but nearly always, failed.

He failed to give up his body, to make the tough catch and to grind it out during injuries.

He's Fool's Gold. If some GM is dumb enough to give him $3 million or more per year, I just hope it's a Division Rival.

I dunno, seemed to make quite a few tough catches this year that led to points and wins. The Redskins game comes to mind.

But also contract year I guess so who knows.

This offense literally went to shit right after he got hurt and I’d rather see what 2018 looks like with Conley playing with Mahomes.

I think the Chiefs can get a mid round receiver if they don’t want Wilson back.

Here's my biggest problem with Wilson:

Against the Bills: 7 Targets, 3 catches for 36 yards
Against the Jets: 5 Targets, 3 catches for 27 yards
Against the Dolphins: 8 targets, 3 catches for 36 yards.

The guy just disappears.

Maybe, but what did he really do to keep the offense going? He wasn't putting up the numbers and I'm not sure its likely that other teams are so afraid of him he's pulling coverages and such.

I dunno, hopefully he takes off but he's always seemed more hyped than substance to me.

I just hope that Chesson and Kemp make huge strides this offseason because if may take a while for Conley to become 100%.

I have zero faith in Robinson.

I don't necessarily remember those specific games and don't want to comment on the catches vs targets without any knowledge.

He's not ever going to be a centerpiece to an offense and wwould likely be easy ish to replace so I'd probably move on, but he made some good plays for the Chiefs and developed as an UDFA.

This may be the reason they end up keeping Wilson IMO.

If Conley isn't 100% and the others are a bit of a long shot to do that much this early.

I'd rather they put Robinson in more but apparently we differ there.

Conley came up with some huge 3rd downs before injury.

He averaged nearly 16 yards a catch, which was much better than his 2016 campaign and was on pace for about 600 yards this season.

The Chiefs were 5-0 with him and 5-7 without him.

We don't need Wilson. Good guy with high energy but he can only play slot.

Correlation doesn’t mean causation.

Wilson isn't a replacement for Conley. Those duties fall to Chesson and Kemp.

I hate Robinson as a player. 39 targets, 21 receptions, 53.8% Catch%, which is awful.

Conley's Catch% was 68.8% in 2017.

And Wilson averaged nearly 14 and did have a 600 yard season.

Conley had 11 catches in 5 games on 16 targets.

Again, hopefully he takes off but thus far, he's been more bark than bite IMO.

Because of Alex Smith. Alex preferred Wilson, which was dumb considering the enormous high floor of Conley compared to Wilson.

Wilson also had a catch % of 68 in 2017.

I don't think he was as bad in 2017 as he had been previously.

Conley had more targets in 16 than Wilson has ever gotten.

Wilson had 554 yards in 2017, 147 came against Denver in the 2nd Stringer Game, which was more like a preseason exhibition.

Conley also had more than 2 yards more per target than Wilson.

Only by a few, 69 vs. 62.

And I think we can all agree that 2016 Regular Season Alex Smith was far worse than 2017 Regular Season Alex Smith.

He was our best C.

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Contract Year

Nah when healthy, Morse is better

That’s the problem though

Just showing that the “alex preferred Wilson” wasn’t really right

I honestly don't know how Alex trusted Wilson.

I sure as hell wouldn't have but after Conley's injury and Robinson's lack of football skills, I guess he didn't have any choice.

this is such a dumb thing to keep spouting, contract year doesnt make them immediately better. I could see they might have a little more motivation but come on man so you're saying he didnt try hard his first few years because it wasnt a contract year?

just like Dee Ford is still going to suck this year regardless of it being a contract year

With Mahomes under center, per game Albert Wilson has averaged 10.0 receptions for 147.3 yards and a 91% catch rate.

Just saying... I think they keep him.

Yes, without Kelce and Hunt and Connely. One game and we resign him? No.

Why not on the cheap

The one game with Mahomes showed he can get more production out of Wilson then Smith ever did.

Indeed.. why not? It's not like teams are going to be knocking down the door to sign him.

I don't understand all this "Alex Smith loved Albert Wilson" talk.. he got about 3.5 targets per game last year without the Mahomes game.

Mind you, shit targets because Smith Couldn't lead a receiver to save his life.

I think Wilson ends up in Chicago. Their WRs are ****ing garbage.

I’m not an Albert Wilson fan by any means, but it’s extremely hard to judge receivers with Alex Smith as their QB.

I’d be ok with a deal for 2 years for 4m (or something minimal like that) just to see how he would do with Mahomes for a full year.

Imo, I don’t think the receivers were the problem from 2013-2016.

Teams are going to be going CRAZY trying to limit Mahomes to Hill...sure would be nice to have another deep threat out there that’s going to constantly be in man coverage.

:facepalm:

How many times did you see Albert Wilson lay out for catches prior to 2017, his contract year?

I can't even believe that you're trying say that being in a contract year isn't extra motivation for players.

Jesus.

That's about as naive as it gets.

Lol players throughout the league have career seasons in contract years every year, to dismiss that as just a coincidence is silly.

I still to o we should keep Wilson if the money is right though.

Why are you linking to a 5 year old article?

Exactly.

It happens each and every year across the league.

Because they did actual analysis by it.

Need someone quick and tough to play in the slot. Maybe that’s Chesson? We haven’t saw enough to say one way or the other. He looked good on punt returns so there’s athleticism there.

Any chance of Ty Law or Kendrell Bell?

Good lord, a Fantasy Football article?

Jeremiah Trotter ...?

I wonder if his constant shoulder injuries prior to last year played a role in his alligator arms.

As far as guys like Richardson and Wilkerson, they seem to kinda fit the mold of guys Veach likes to kick the tires on and find out why there wasn’t much motivation but were high picks with elite talent.

If they can be motivated, a DL of Jones, Wilkerson and Richardson would be one of the most talented DLs in the league.

If they are motivated by money, offer them vet minimum deals with 500k per sack bonuses that void with off field trouble.

I’d love to see KC offer Sanders a contract once Denver releases him and then backs out.

I'm just saying Conley, Robinson and Chesson were predominantly outside receivers in college and in their brief NFL stints. I think its naive to think one of them will step up and be an improvement on Wilson in the slot- I don't want to pay Wilson substantially but I don't think we have anyone on the roster currently can replace him.

Few FA options and/or you could replace him in the draft, I would want a receiver who predominantly works out of the slot with an emphasis on route running and great hands. Doesn't have to be a spectacular athlete- Braxton Berrios maybe as a late round flyer is another name I'd add out of the draft.

Wilkerson and Richardson will probably get at least $8M per year on the open market. I think the Chiefs should look into Wilkerson as an option if the contract is one they can easily get out of. Those are the types of defensive signings that could pay huge dividends with Mahomes on the cheap.

Oh I DO like your shoes!

I couldn’t care less about that article.

We’ve witnessed it first hand in recent years with pass rushers like Demarcus Lawrence, Olivier Vernon, Justin Houston, Melvin Ingram, Von Miller etc.

It also goes against human nature for guys not to put their best effort forward in a contract year.

Does is always happen? No.

But to say that the players aren't trying to be the best player they can be, when money is on the line (and in some cases, Generational Wealth), is just silly.

If we’re only going to rush 3 or 4, then those 3 or 4 need to have pass rush ability.

I guess it all depends on if you think the things that motivate them are able to be achieved or not.

Adding a prime Richardson and Wilkerson to a defense that already has Berry, Peters, Houston, Jones, Ragland and Fuller would make the defense Elite. Maybe decide on one or the other and then go after Talib.

That may not be possible, but it’s worth looking into.