Apparently John Dorsey is going to take Josh Allen per scouts.

Can’t start that kid year 1. Hello Alex!

Rosen doesn't want to play for Cleveland. Draft him and make Smellway do a draft day trade Eli/Rivers style. Trade for Alex with 2 of Cleveland's 3 second round picks. Recoup those assets in the Denver trade.

Voila! You've got the QB you want in the draft AND the wiley veteran who will start for 1-2 years. And you lost barely any draft stock other than the #1 overall, which you were going to spend on a QB anyway.

Can't lose!

He will make them respectable again, and they'll love him to death for it... this needs to happen

Two picks in the top 4 is a pretty good deal. Dorsey knows you find the QB, the rest falls into place. I think Dorsey flips the number one or number four for more picks, it's just in his DNA.

They have a ton of high picks as it is. Just take the QB of your choosing at 1 and Barkley at 4.

At this point in time, I'd take Orlando Brown, jr at #1, Barkley at #4, move Joe Thomas, trade back into the first with their bounty of picks and take Baker Mayfield.

I wouldn't touch Darnold or Allen with a first round pick and I'd vet the shit out of Josh Rosen before I'd even consider taking him in the second half of the first round.

I’d take baker mayfield at 1, a new LT at 4 and trade Joe.

Of course a lot of people aren’t high on baker but he’s a atud

He has Russell Wilson written all over him. Short, big gun when needed, scrambling ability, always looking downfield, makes BIG PLAYS in BIG GAMES in BIG SITUATIONS and is very confident in himself. Oh and he wins as well !! What is not to like about this kid IMHO !!!

Dorsey took the Browns job too soon.

Ted Thompson is out in Green Bay.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...ifferent-role/

OntheWarpath is speculating on twitter with myself and Flopnuts that Dorsey actually wanted the Packers job, but they didn't want Dorsey, so he ended up in CLE.

That was my first thought

Ooohh ouch. That sucks for him.

whoa

Hate to appear as if I'm glomming on, but that is the natural reaction to this move

They had to have known Thompson was a goner before Dorsey signed on in Cleveland... oh well, I still honestly believe John will serve the Browns well, they desperately needed a guy like him

Things usually happen for a reason

Holy shit!

Agreed. Which also means Dorsey must have burned a few bridges in GB as well before he left and that word travels fast among the Holmgren Fraternity Tree about the real reasons Dorsey was fired in KC which is probably not surprising to the fraternity IMHO.

So does Dorsey get to make head coaching hiring/firing decisions in Cleveland?

He obviously never had that power in KC.

Do you think keeping a coach that just went 0-16 was his choice?

He’s going swimming with Hue tomorrow before work he loves him so much.

Heh, good point...Who keeps a HC who wins 1 game in 2 years? Only the Browns... :facepalm:

Infighting and skullduggery is the name of the game these days

But yeah, Dorsey must've left a bad impression there to be so blatantly passed over

He needs to just forget it and give Cleveland his all, using all of the lessons he has learned so far... its past time to see the Browns get up off the mat, their fans deserve it

Until Haslem takes his hands off the operation the Browns will be the Browns and either Dorsey learns how to play Haslem or Dorsey gets fired or resigns in frustration. So far Dorsey hasn't learned how to play and manipulate people in a good way yet.:hmmm:

The Packers GM job is very desirable and Dorsey's resume wasn't good enough for a real consideration.

You end this with a period whereas I would have ended it with a ?

There's no question about it.

The Packers are swarming with internal amd external candidates. Dorsey got himself fired from his first gig.

He wasn't going to be at the top of that list when elite tier GM Ron Wolf's son is waiting in the wings.

It was well known that TT was about done, so why would Dorsey take a shitty job like Cleveland (not get his own coach to boot) if he was ever a candidate in GB?

Just wondering if GB is wanting to go outside the “fraternity” and hire someone NOT formerly associate with the Pack? That too would explain the Pass on Dorsey. I mean, given that they’ve had two decades of Hall of Fame QBs, methinks maybe they should have made more SB appearances. Time for change.

Green Bay is an odd team to pin.

They never seem active in free agency, almost all of their talent is home grown, to the point that they seem too loyal to their own.

Perhaps they have trouble bringing in free agents because of the weather, or the isolated area they are in.

I have been to Lambeu, it is a cool stadium in an awesome town.

They historically seem to have a hard time drafting everything except wide receivers. They get the occasional hits with guys like Clay Matthews, but they seem to miss more than they hit.

I wonder if they are looking to get someone with a little more moxie than Ted Thompson so that they can bring in some quality free agents once in a while.

Ted Thompson is way oerrated. Wasted Favre career and especially Rodgers. All that and 2 SBs only. Should be 4 at the minimum.

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I agree with this. I think Mayfield will be better than Rosen or Darnold. I don’t like them at all that high. I haven’t seen Allen enough to have a take on him. I’m glad the Chiefs got Mahomes because he’s way better than this supposed good class.


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Disagree.

If they aren't going to take Rosen #1 overall, they need to trade the **** out of that pick and get the absolute best return possible.

The Giants absolutely would cum in their pants to get Rosen at 2, so the demand will be fierce now that this amaze-balls qb class was actually just a mirage (WOW!!!!!!).

Take the absolute best player available with the first actual selection than attack needs from there.

You take Rosen at #1.

Why is rosen a clear cut #1? His teammates seem to despise him and that's a huge red flag. Dorsey seems to like Josh Allen. That's a good pick and you can use your #1 on Barkley who will be an elite RB. The browns shouldn't start a qb right away anyway. Draft Allen, give him two years to develop, trade for Alex Smith and give him a huge 2 year contract. That's exactly what they should do. Mayfield could fit into that argument too.

Last time Cleveland had 1st and 4th, they got Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.

Dorsey's gotta be the only GM of the QB-needy teams who wants Allen #1 overall.

So hold the presumptive #1 overall hostage, trade down a few spots, and then pick Allen and Barkley anyway. Trade 2 of your 2nd rounders for Alex.

Problem solved.

Agreed. It's a terrible idea for the browns to start Allen right away. But they can do it without passing on Barkley at #1. They have an insane number of picks already. Drafting a high upside qb while hedging on a proven veteran like Alex is easily the best play.

https://articles.cleveland.com/brown....co/jOlKcZUkgc

Wow John Dorsey is trying to bring Ron Wolfe’s kid to Cleveland. That would be a fantastic hire for their scouting department.

John Dorsey and Eliot Wolf. Browns now have a very good scouting department.

...and we have King Andy

You know, people are always saying that about the Packers, but outside of Aaron Rodgers, who does that team have?

Dorsey sucks ass.

Lets be real, by the time any of his moves start to really pay off, Haslam will lose his patience again and blow the whole thing up.

Dorsey is a big picture type of guy who believes in building through the draft. It was a terrible decision to go to Cleveland. Almost no chance that Cleveland shows enough patience for Dorsey to make things happen.

and soon, they may have the Chiefs' MVP. :eek:

Year 1 he traded for Alex Smith, signed Sean Smith, Fasano, Avery, devito, Geoff schwartz, traded for Sherman, etc... In Cleveland he'll have an outrageous amount of cap space to do even more than that.

Dorsey's way is to sign these types of guys to contracts he can duck out of in 2-3 years. And then he uses the draft as an excuse to draft their replacement. At least that's how he worked early on. Toward the end he started handing out contracts like a drunk.

Because he did in once? Come on.

I think it's the opposite. Show Hasslem you are building something and he will be a happy camper and give you whatever you want.

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We aren't letting Colquitt go

idk, i've been in Colquitt's corner for quite awhile, but the Chiefs need to reload and he's the most expensive punter in the league.

Though i do think he had a bounce back compared to last season. Eye test, i haven't looked at stats to back up that claim.

That's what you think. You guys effed up bad.

Dorsey can literally follow the same model he did here and having more picks at his disposal should be able to flip them around in a few years.

It doesnt matter how much talent dorsey adds to that team if Hue Jackson is still the coach.

I'm sure that'll get changed after this coming season. If they win 4 ****ing games it'll be considered a huge improvement.

It's all going to hinge on his decision at QB.

I think Rosens probably the most likely guy to hit but not sure I'd want him starting right away. If they could somehow come out of it with Barkley too, I think that alone would get them some wins.

He doesnt want to play for the browns.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...g1qbnprje4myd8

I don't think it would be smart to start ANY of the QBs from this class. That's why I think the best thing the Browns can do is draft a QB at #1, hope they get Barkley at #4 and trade a 2nd and another pick for Smith. You give Smith a damn good offensive line, a couple of good RBs and a decent enough defense to win some games. Smith can bring that winning culture back to the Browns while the rookie sits and learns for a year.

I hope so. Hue is terrible. 9-39 as a head coach, 1-31 with the browns.

Yea that's great and all but he may have to deal with it.

If I'm the Browns.....I ****ing ransom his ass to the Giants if they want him. Do like the Chargers did. I'd take their #2 overall pick and some more picks for the Giants to move up to #1 and take Rosen.

I totally agree. And with Browns fans already worked up about not just the failure but the absolute shit show that was Manziel, Weeden, and Brady Quinn... it would be absolutely stupid to throw a first round rookie into that fire unless you were 100% convinced he could be excellent right away. Best play is to draft a 1st round QB and bring in a stable veteran like Alex Smith to stabilize that franchise.

Team wont draft and keep a guy if he doesnt want to be there. See Elway and Eli...

Also I don't see why Josh Allen is being propped up so much, he has the shitty completion rate which is extremely telling of NFL success.

Which is almost exactly what we did. It just took a few years to draft the 1st round QB.

damn, 6 picks in the top 65. 12 total. And 4 of the top 35. Is that right?

Dorsey should be able to add some young impact guys a long with some good FA signings they might get close to 500.

He's getting the Hack treatment.

Toolsy QB that had NFL caliber talent to crutch for him and has coasted off that reputation since.

People are ignoring the film to hand never ending excuses.

But he's tall, and has a cannon for an arm. He's athletic too. Nevermind the fact that he has a below 60% completion rate in a shit conference, that doesn't matter. Tall!!!!!

I literally don't think in the last 30 years a guy drafted with an under 60% rate has been successful.

Elway is ready to draft him.

If I am Dorsey I get on the horn to Andy and offer my 1 and 4 for Mahomes

Alex only fans are so adorable

Tell me a better QB you will get for that

He is ready now

Why would you do that? Number 1 you set yourself back a year and you're stuck with ****ing Alex Smith and you get 2 high picks in a year where the talent level is down.

The Chiefs don't need Barkley and a ****ing guard is gonna go in the top 5 picks, what's that tell you?

Why would the Chiefs ever trade a 2nd year QB they traded up in the first round for and keep the old one they had when they traded up?

This isn't serious right?

It's either completely ****ing obvious trolling, or just outright stupidity in thinking because Alex Smith finally had a top statistical season (while being the same type of limited passer he's always been) at 33 years old, he can be counted on to repeat this feat several times over because Brady has done it.

Or complete failure at reading comprehension. If I am Dorsey, I don't give a **** about the Chiefs. Just let me get that QB I drafted. It sets everything in motion now without waiting.

Hunt, Veach, and Reid would all be strung up from a lamppost at Arrowhead and beaten to death with rubber hoses if they even let that thought cross their minds

He's an Alex Only Fans trolling on his last legs.

LMAO acting like Dorsey was the only one who wanted Mahomes.

Oh I know, he's just tweaking his haters

He is good people in my book, I'm just laughing along