You're right, he is far from the only problem... but he is still part of it

He is actually a big part of the problem. When one of your premier players is routinely showing up on film appearing to lack focus and effort, what kind of message is this sending to his teammates? Players and fans alike are far less tolerant of poor performance from a player that looks like a lack of focus and effort. Those are bedrock qualities the rest builds on. It is all about the basics.

No argument there. The defense is such a dumpster fire that Peter's would be the least of my worry right now.

We can't stop the run, and we cannot rush the passer. You can't expect our horrible secondary to cover their WR's for 4+ seconds every time.

Peters is a Raider in 2019... Shop him for a first or second and get some value before next year. His play has been far from elite. If you can't get a high pick, then hope he plays hard in his contract year.... enen then, unless we franchise him, he will not be a Chief in 2019.

Don’t drag Alex Smith into this discussion. We’re talking about Peters.

I like how people just want to dump one of the younger better players on the team because "they don't like him". Don't like that? Blame Andy Reid because he's obviously not doing shit about it.

I was frustrated watching that shit so I can't imagine how it feels to be involved in it. And lets be honest at least he shows passion meanwhile Justin Houston looks like he could give 2 shits out there.

Or hey someone should pimp out the try hard dudes who suck. This market really doesn't like anyone who doesn't just show up and be a lunchpail dude, it's lame but I guess it's the midwest.

Who says they want him gone because they don't like him? How about he needs to go because he doesn't guard and doesn't tackle?

This.

At least Marcus Peters appears to give a shit.

The bigger story is Justin Houston not playing up to his $130 million contract.

Houston, we have a problem

If you think he doesn't guard, boy are you in for a rude awakening when you see what happens when we get rid of him. If you think our defense looks bad now...

Why did Peters walk out on his team?

Guys like Peters an Kelce will never get calls since they upset the refs

I can't imagine his teammates or coaches like his lack of wanting to tackle. But the idea that he's not putting effort into coverage is a ridiculous myth. Hes still an excellent cover corner. Not elite but plenty good. Not every corner is asked to cover as long as he does due to our strategy of not using pass rush.

Your assumption is as good as mine...

If he quit on his team, why did he come back out? The damage was done by leaving the field.... My money is he just assumed he was ejected.

And people wonder why the NFL has a declining fan base and the refs decide games to the point that people think it's fixed.

"Marcus Peters is an embarrassment to the Chiefs and to the NFL"
---- Kevin Kietzmam

"Give me Phillip Gaines over there"
----- Kevin Kietzman

I'm also tired of the tackling shit, no corners tackle well say like a handful of guys.

I still have no idea why everyone assumes this. Does everyone assume that Shane Ray will be a Chief when his current deal is done?


As for the other stuff, people need to calm the F down. I'm sure 99% of CP'ers make complete asses of themselves when they are frustrated during Chiefs games, but the one player who seems to share that passion for winning has to go because "he's a head case".

These are the same people that go off on players who smile because "they need to be more passionate". Or tweet at players who have fun during the bye week to say that they should be studying tape 24/7. You are all insane and need some other hobbies.

Peters IS NOT that good of a cover corner anymore either! Plays 10 yards off his man and constantly is getting called for PI or Holding. He doesn't like to tackle. He acts like an ass half the time. Why should we keep him? Because he's better than any other corner we have? We are not going anywhere for a few years......can his ass!!!!

Yea you know the 10 yards off thing is what he's being told to do right?

Fo Realz.

Horse shit.

It's also stunning that Peters isn't a good cover corner this year when the team has no pass rush with the highest paid dude on the team up there...yea all Peters fault.

Why should Peters get a pass for his douchebaggery just because other players perform worse? That's ****ing dumb.

It was more funny than it was douchebaggery, it wasn't like he intentionally injured someone.

We were offsides on the play that they scored on.

Its not going to be so funny when a WR commits blatant OPI and the ref turns his head.

I like how somehow this is considered ok, so a ref not doing his job right is perfectly fine because they don't like someone? Yea so if you don't like your boss should you get to flip him off?

Uhm....you realize they've been doing that long before Peters was in the NFL right?

OPI is never called.

How about the OPI's on Mitchell during the Raiders game? That's Peters' fault too?

Its not ok and has never been ok. Its also been part of the game for a long ass time. Calling attention to yourself like that has and always will be ****ING. STUPID.

Wait. But he's not injured now. And he dropped the weight. And he's in shape now. And the Jets were a dumpster fire last year. No wonder he didn't care.

Going to the locker room even though he had been told he wasn't ejected is funny?

Throwing the flag into the stands is what sissies do. A real man would of wiped ass with the flag and handed it back to the ref. Oh it was Peters wrong flag, never mind.
Wonderlic scores
CJ Spiller. 10
Ragland. 10

He's related to The Beast so maybe that will induce a trade with Oakland which goes in KC's favor.

I repeat... He will not be a Chief in 2019 unless we franchise him... he hates it here... He has his foundation and life in NoCAl and probably loves Vegas...

If you can get a high round draft pick, or a player at another position that is good, do it. Then draft a corner early. He will not be worth the franchise tag in 2019.

Does Shane Ray seem miserable and unhappy and give 75% effort? If so, we may have a chance...

ROFL

:clap:

What do Spiller and Ragland's scores have to do with anything?

Yeah I get the feeling the people who think this is no big deal have never really been part of a locker-room or an intense high-performing team environment. It only takes one or two malcontents to really drag things down. And when the worst offender is also your best player, it's not good.

It’s for sure Midwest chiefs fan.

Houston is another bad signing.

#fakepost

Why is it that Gaines and Mitchell are eligible for benching because of bad performance but the most important position on offense is absolved?

It doesn't excuse Peters acting like a petulant teenager on the field, but I could at least understand why he's pissed off if that's truly the reason.

Really, they ****ed up going in to the season with Mahomes on the active roster and then making him the #2 if the cause for strife in the locker room is because of some guys being pissed off Smith isn't being held to the same standard of accountability as the defensive guys are held to.

He isn't getting a pass. I think everyone is saying he needs an attitude adjustment and that if he doesn't tone it down, we need to evaluate our future with him. But Kelce has done dumb shit like this all the time too and I think he needs an attitude adjustment too. And his mistakes have been more costly. Doesn't mean I'm going to exaggerate how bad of a player he is. As Snr said, it's clear people can't separate hating the guy from hating his play on the field.

Yeah the QB with #2 QB Rating in the NFL is being held to a low standard.... Bench him!

Good post...

He's regressed this year. Couple that with his antics and you have a recipe for being disliked. I don't want him gone. I don't care that much about his antics, but they are quite annoying at times.

I can't think of a single player that has performed better this year compared to last. Maybe Tyreek and possibly Kelce. Smith at times. The rest is a shit show.

^THIS^ spot on :clap::clap:

The Chiefs had the right idea with drafting character guys like Berry, Houston, DJ - then you can take a flyer on a guy like Peters in hopes he gets reigned in by the others. The problem comes when the others are injured, old, ineffective - their leadership impact wanes.

Think of how much the Royals played above their talent level. Stat nerds tend to disqualify "good locker room" because there's no way to quantify it. And it probably does get thrown about too liberally by dipshit pundits.

But - everyone agrees the Royals had a GREAT locker room. Those guys loved each other. And if there was some way to magically quantify it I'd bet it was worth at least 5 wins, and especially valuable in the playoffs. I'd compare the Peters situation to Yordano. Some of the Yordy blowups are actually pretty similar if you think about it. Except there's no Moose running in from 3rd to corrall him and drag him off the field.

It also makes a team much more fun to root for when they obviously love each other and are having fun. Peters' regular blowups make him kinda hard to root for even when we're winning.

I am not defending peters but really throwing the flag had like no affect. The holding was going to give them another chance anyways. **** it the same situation comes up throw the flag AGAIN into the stands it's basically a freebie if you don't get tossed.

The question is how much worse does it get before it gets better?

Apart from tackling, he has not regressed as much as you'd like him to have. That's the point. Separate performance from how much you like him. From a coverage standpoint, you have a ball hawking cb whose strength is taking advantage of mistakes - great in coverage, but lockdown? Probably not. There's no pressure up front so qbs don't make mistakes, he's asked to cover often for well more than 5 seconds, has no safety help whatsoever, and he's playing within a completely ineffective third down scheme that continually has him playing with an insane amount of cushion.

A lot of the regression is in people's heads. He isn't playing as well as in previous years, but there are a lot of much much bigger regressions on this team and especially the defense.

Lay off the crack pipe. He was a top 5 CB last year, he isn't even ranked in the top 30 this year

Really?

Nope, sorry. Off with his head. Especially after seeing he was the only one kneeling.

I wonder if Dorsey had a role in talking to players and checking in on them on a professional and personal level. Maybe he provided some type of support system that the team doesn't have anymore.

How's this for regression?
Tackles in 2015: 60, Tackles in 2016: 45, Tackles in 2017: 41.
Interceptions in 2015: 8, Interceptions in 2016: 6, Interceptions in 2017: 3.
Passes Defended in 2015: 26, Passes Defended in 2016: 20, Passes Defended in 2017: 5.

That's clear regression.

His coach spends 20 minutes after each game apologizing for lots of shit, this one makes me laugh.

Hey Kevin, so are Reid and Sutton...

No shit.

I was SO LUCKY to stumble upon the whitest, stiff-backed, goody-goody bullshit fan base in the entire ****ing NFL.

I wanted Dad to transfer us out to California in the mid-80's, the state he grew up in, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It just HAD to be ****ing Missouri. :rolleyes:

How much motivation do you think Peters will have vs the raiders this week after hearing people in KC cry all week

a) 2017 is only 3/4 over
b) I'd be a lot more interested in his targets and PFF grades

You really see any of those getting appreciably better in 4 games?

The selfish and immature bullshit Peters has displayed thus It's obvious why he was kicked out from the UW football program. Peters leads the league in caused penalties

From a coverage standpoint? I said he has regressed but not as much as people want him to have. He's not top 5 because he hasn't tackled well. He's not a top 30 corner? Get out of there with that shit. I wonder how many in your top 30 would thrive in our defense. I would imagine most are on that list because of the pass rush.

I lived on the east coast most my life and now in the SW. One of my friends I watch the games with grew up in Jersey and spent a couple years working as as chef in NYC and we both equally hate Peters.

It's not a midwest thing. It's the fact the guy is an immature, yellow toothed, self-absorbed asshole.

How many targets? You can't make plays if QB's aren't throwing in your direction.

Trade MP to Oakland so he can be closer to ML for a 3rd round pick

Because kneeling has anything to do with this at all.

Cool trade a young up and coming player for a middle round pick, I can't wait till everyone bitches that the Chiefs give up 400 yards passing a game.

I also don't care how many flags he throws, or kneels or whatever, he's still not the giant waste of money Justin Houston is, he's not a pile of crap living off who he use to be like Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali are. At this point he's the best first round pick they've had in what 7 years?

But lets just throw him out for nothing.

Haven't seen any games this season? We have one of the league's worst defenses even with Peters.

Not because of Peters' pass coverage.

O.K. What about a first round pick? But I doubt there would be any takers. Poe only signed a one year deal with Atlanta so I would hope the CHIEFS can bring him back next season.

NO corner is going to succeed with the 200 million + of front 7 players on this team who all suck dick. Let's not even mention the safeties are ass too.

But yea it's all Peters fault.

You aren't getting a 1 period, you're telling other teams you don't want him which kills his value. And Poe sucks dick too who would want him back?

Are you going to take a look at our pass rush and not see the brutally obvious regression there? Who's going to get picks when your DL puts no pressure. And having less tackles for a cb isn't always a bad thing, although I agree that he probably has less support tackles

Peters committing multiple PI penalties in the redzone and end zone is 100% his fault. Peters failing to attempt to tackle runners is 100% his fault. Peters tantrums drawing penalties is 100% his fault, Peters going into the locker room and quiting on the team is again 100% his fault.

So yea Peters issues are his issues and 100% his fault.

Everyone thought he was ejected.

hew as told by a CBS camera man that he wasn't ejected.

And until you get ejected by a ref you don't leave the damn field.

"Oh I thought I was ejected". That's an absurd excuse.