It would be redundant if I referred to you as a butt****ing moron.

So be it.

ROFL

Who has a better duo of TEs than we do? Yes Harris drops some passes but it is not as bad as some of you all put out there.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...d-nfl-rankings

Some are also going to be pissed when we resign Albert Wilson in the offseason as well. He has turned into a good WR3/4.

He literally has the worst catch rate of any TE in the last 2 seasons combined. He's horrible in every phase, but then he'll have some lucky play like last year on the 2pt conversion and all is forgiven for a minute. He's bad. Bad blocker, bad receiver.

Wilson, like his limp-dicked passer, have reached their expiration dates as Kansas City Chiefs. It's time for more new and dynamic blood to match up with our new and dynamic Mahomie.

I was sad not to see any of robinson today. He's gonna ball next year.

Also, did Dimitrioff teach Peeholi how to draft before Blank gave him the reigns?

Because Peeholi truly sucked a penis at drafting during his tenure in KC.

Let's review:

1) TyJack. Ohhhhh baby! The excitement of it all!

2) EB. Someone had to coerce Peeholi to make this pick. He actually had to have people convince him that EB was deserving of that pick. Just...wow.
3) Houston. One one hand, you could say "very masterful for Peeholi to wait it out and get such great value late". I guess we can call him a smart man on that one?
4) That ****ing receiver who sucked so bad, I can't even remember his ****ing name.
So there's that.
5) Poe. That's a good pick.

It's an okay record I guess, but I don't recall Peeholi being much of a depth guy or courageously pursuing valuable FA's.

Damn I'm glad that man is gone.

Veach has a tough job. To churn a 2-14 rostor with high draft picks and first dibs on the waiver wire is easier than getting the precious few pieces to push a playoff team to a sb team.

Seriously WTF was Dorsey thinking drafting these projects?

Wanna know why the Steelers are always competitive? They draft quality players who can play year 1 and be good long term players.

2017-TJ Watt, Juju, James Conner is playing some, Cam Sutton is getting a little bit of time.
2016-Artie Burns, Sean Davis and Javon Hargrave played roles their rookie years.
2015-Bud Dupree, Sammie Coates and Jesse James all played their rookie years.
2014-Ryan Shazier, Stephon Tuitt, Martavis Bryant all played.

I hate the stupid slow approach of not playing premium picks year 1. Hated it with Dee Ford, hated it with Chris Conley and hated it with Steven Nelson.

Thank God we were actually forced to play Tanoh this year, and oh look! He actually looks pretty decent!

Hating it with Mahomes also!

Here we go again. A Chiefs fan criticizing Dorsey for his draft picks when he proved to be one of the very best in the business. And what year recently did the Chiefs have the most snaps by their rookies in the entire league? Yeah, ok..

Him and the anger management counselor Dane seem to think you have to hit on every draft pick and every contract has to be perfect in order to not deserve to be fired as a GM in the NFL.

Idiots.

Dorsey did a great job hitting on a pick each draft, but he did not build quality depth on this team.

The defense has problems because of this. Thankfully, Brett Veach was able to help the ILB problem this year.

Imagine where this defense would be without Ragland and KPL?

You're a ****ing turd

A great GM builds a roster that can continually, year in and year out, contend for a Super Bowl Championship.

In 5 years of Free Agent and draft acquisitions, this team is no closer to a Super Bowl than it was when Dorsey arrived in 2013.

Furthermore, the Prime Years of guys like Tamba Hali, Eric Berry, Justin Houston and even Dontari Poe, all of whom were on the roster before Dorsey arrived, have been wasted.

I think the failings of the Chiefs over Dorsey’s tenure can be explained by injuries, excessive contracts to players who should have been let go, and failure to find a franchise QB until too late. Tamba’s prime years were over before Dorsey got here. Berry lost a year to cancer. Houston got paid and then was MIA for the better part of two seasons. Poe hurt his back and was not the same. You can say what you want about depth, but the only teams that overcome injuries to key guys are teams with franchise, top QBs. Smith is a good QB, but we all agree he isn’t a put the team on your back and win no matter what scrubs are playing.

There’s a reason that we continually see many of the same teams in the post-season. The teams that make it stay healthy or have great QBs that can mask the effect of injuries. For the Chiefs to have faired better than we have over the last few years we needed to have more guys stay healthy or have Smith make up for it. We haven’t and Smith hasn’t quite been able to get it done. We have been surprisingly close, but just not quite there.

$78 million in Dead Cap Space under Dorsey, massive lack of depth, inability to draft pass rushers, cornerbacks, (outside of Peters, who was a head case coming out of college), linebackers and overall poor roster management.

I've said this before but Veach was able to add more talent in 3 months on the job (Butker, Ragland and KPL) than Dorsey did via the draft in 2017.

With 6 draft picks in 2017, Dorsey drafted exactly one impact player in Kareem Hunt.

Three of Dorsey's 2016 picks are no longer on the roster and two were cut before the season began in 5th rounder Kevin Hogan and 3rd rounder Keivarie Russell. While he hit on Hill (another troubled player) and Chris Jones (who slipped due to laziness), Ehinger, Murray and Robinson have been disappointments.

Don't even get me started on the 2013 and 2014 drafts. Sheesh.

I don't have time for now to defend Dorsey whom I am really high on but you clearly lose credibility when judging this past draft class saying he drafted exactly one impact player.

If anything, between Mahomes, Kpassagnon, Chesson and Eligwe, this draft class should be judged in two years from now and right now it looks promising IMO. I feel really good about that draft class.

You're just dumb as ****

Congrats

You are right about dead cap space and I agree with that point completely. Using hindsight, who and how would you have picked differently this past draft ahead of Kareem Hunt? I’m happy with Mahomes and what we had to do to get him. Expecting immediate impact players after round 3 seem an unreasonable standard. So that leaves us arguing about who would have been a better pick than Kpassagnon?

Look, I like what Veach has done so far and hope he’s better than Dorsey. I just think criticizing Dorsey’s drafting is odd. Especially the 2017 draft because of what he gave up for Mahomes.

He missed in the pass rushers because we had spent so much on Houston and Dee Ford teased a little making plenty think he might actually be okay before disappearing last half of last year and this year. Steven Nelson seems average and is starter quality on many teams. He has struggled with the other CBs for sure though. I guess we just see it differently.

I dont recall you being this down on Dorsey until he was fired

It wasnt ALL bad, was it? He gave this team direction (build through the draft primarily) hope and some exciting players along the way... yes, he clearly bungled some things and I'm not trying to excuse those

And come on... no closer to the big one than the 2-14 murder/suicide? If for nothing else, he deserves our everlasting gratitude for Mahomes

Veach may have found him, and pushed for him... but the decision to make a huge move for him ultimately rests with Dorsey

That's not true. I really didn't like the 2016 draft and called upon him to release Russell and Robinson. He did release Russell and I praised him for that but he made many, many errors during his time with the Chiefs, especially with free agency and contract values, that the decision to fire him made complete sense to me.

Outside of the QB position, the Chiefs were a pretty talented team in 2013, both offensively and defensively. Dorsey's additions that year in free agency were a mixed bag: Avery, DeVito and Fasano were "okay" additions, Dunta Robinson was awful. Eric Fisher, drafted as a left tackle, was a disaster on the right side and Kelce didn't contribute due to a knee injury.

For the most part, Reid coached up the existing players.

The decision to draft Mahomes wasn't driven by one person. Veach scouted him hard, brought him to Reid, who visited Texas Tech and met with the peeps on campus. Dorsey was no where to be found.

And yes, barring some unforeseen miracle, this team is no closer to a Super Bowl in 2017 than they were in 2012. Houston and Berry will soon be on the wrong side of 30, Hali is done, the receiving corp, outside of Hill now that Conley's gone, is meh at best, etc. and so on.

Veach could find three legit, immediate impact rookies next year and the Chiefs would still need ridiculous play from the QB and defense to push for a Super Bowl.

That's a lot to ask, especially minus a first round pick.

From all reports, it was a decision made by Dorsey, Hunt and Reid. And while I expect Mahomes to have a great career, he still hasn't played a single down in the NFL, so the jury is out.

The top reasons this team has underperformed under Dorsey is QB, coaching, and scheme. Decisions he had very little say in. And changing those things will go a very long way into fixing what we have now too. He's not the problem. There is plenty of talent for this team to be much better than how they're playing right now. He left the cap a mess. But that doesn't explain why the current team has underperformed.

LMAO LMAO

Right. We lost to Pittsburgh last year because we didn't draft a good enough LB or RB. It was the talent outside those 3 things that was the problem.

I'd give DeVito better than ok, dude was a solid run stopping fireplug... for Avery and Fasano, 'ok' fits the bill though

Cant blame Dorsey for Kelce' injury

With the no closer to a SB part, its hard to understand the math there... we're waaay closer now than we were coming off the disaster that led to the arrival of Dorsey and co. Its taken a hit lately, but a winning culture has been established with multiple playoff appearances to prove it

Obviously, we've all been expecting more than what we've gotten so far... but this organization is miles above the 2-14 group

Things just aren't quite as bad as they may look right now, IMO

1) New DC
2) Nagy retains playcalling duties
3) Invest 80% of draft and free agency resources into the defense
4) Bring in an animal or two on the O line, LG , quite possibly C and better depth
5) Hand the keys to Money Mahomes, yes technically the jury is still out... but God as my witness I've never seen anything quite like him, he is going to be special

We're really not as bereft of talent as it seems, just need a few guys like Kpass to work out and things can turn around quickly... just look at the Rams

Robinson is a disappointment? He has played well when given the opportunities.

I was as high on Dorsey as anyone on this site, and even more so high on the idea of keeping Dorsey over Reid, but I was proven incorrect in my assessment by the passage of time.

Dorsey's greatest attributes are his work ethic, his passion for the game, and his quest to overturn every single, available rock in his mission to find hidden gems and assorted prizes.

But it wasn't enough. He couldn't handle the other aspects of the job.

I have to hand it to Veach. In his short time, he’s done a solid job. ILB was a huge concern on this team with an old injured DJ coming back and Ramik Wilson lining up next to him.
KPL and Ragland are young, talented players who have improved the run defense to 5th best since week 9 when they started playing more snaps together.

Buttkicker is an obvious hit as well.

I think Veach had a big role in a lot of our draft hits since 2013 and Clark made his decision based off this info.

Veach could be our "golden boy" in that office after so many sad, sad years.

Let us hope!

I'm good with veach. No reason yet to think he won't be successful. But you can like veach and also think Dorsey did a decent job here. Not everyone seems to think that way.

Wow, an amazing stat... I've been particularly impressed with Ragland, but didn't know things were going quite so well

This is a sound all-around plan IMO. Nagy is very likely headed to Indy though I feel.

You've got the entire starting offense returning in 2018, sans Albert Wilson and Alex Smith. As you mentioned, the interior OL has some question marks to address and I'd love to see upgrades at WR2/3 and TE2. Overall, they shouldn't have to denote a ton of resources to that side of the football.

Take a chunk of that $30+M in cap space that they will have and help your defense. Don't spend it all, as that won't be necessary, but use it smartly. They will already have Berry, Peters(?), Houston, Jones, Ragland, etc. in place. That's not a bad foundation at all. Probably better than a large chunk of the NFL. By the time you supplement it with some FAs and draft picks, the defense might look really good.

If Mahomes is the man, they are going to be playoff contenders in '18. And as you mentioned, I have such a strong feeling about his future. If I had to bet, I would say HOF over bust.

Thanks bud, I appreciate that

I wouldnt even mind if Wilson came back on a friendly deal, after the way I've felt about him over the years it seems strange to say... but he has slowly yet surely become a genuine contributor

He can run real routes or gadget plays, always blocks etc... as 4 or 5 guy, he is a solid fit here

But yeah, its gotta be a defensive minded offseason... because as we both feel, Mahomes will be able to elevate the play of the majority of our returning offense

A guy like Robinson will almost certainly break out with Pat slinging it

I should have pointed that out myself too. I think our WRs are going to look a whole lot better with Pat in there, and we saw a glimpse when he and Robinson shredded the Titans during the preseason.

More than anything, I just want better WR/TE depth because we could use better Kelce/Hill insurance. As irreplaceable as those two are, I'm not sure we are equipped to handle the loss of either right now at all.

Why is that?
I have heard he will take Dave Toub and now Nagy. Why would he want either one of them.
It is all unknown.
Hell he could even go after Lovie Smith. He worked with Lovie in Chicago when Lovie took them to a SB with Rex Grossman.

I labeled him as "okay" because he couldn't rush the passer.

That's a whole lot of things that need to go right, something that hasn't been happening.

The Rams drafted a QB #1 overall. They hired a fantastic offensive mind and the best defensive coordinator in the business in Wade Phillips. Their defense was loaded, with the best DL in the NFL in Aaron Donald.

They brought in two more receivers via the draft in WR Cooper Kupp and TE Garrett Everett while signing Robert Woods and trading for Sammy Watkins. They also signed a stalwart left tackle to go along with one of the best running backs in the business in Todd Gurley. Punter Johnny Hekker is a stud, too.

The bottom line is that they made a shit ton of moves this offseason, all of which paid off. They have very good young pieces in place on both sides of the ball, something that can't necessarily be said about the Chiefs. The Chiefs receiving corp, D line and linebackers are a notch or two below that of the Rams.

Nagy is going to be highly coveted if his playcalling continues to be successful. The jobs that guys like Sean McVay and Doug Pederson have done is only increasing Nagy's value as a potential HC.

Nagy's probably a year or two away from being a Head Coach.

The offense slumped badly this year, like the worst slump of Reid's tenure, so it'll take a miraculous turnaround for him to become a head coaching candidate, IMO.

I will lower my expectations greatly in Mahomes first season. History just isn’t on his side. I expect ups and downs, rocky play at times, frustrating interceptions (10+), and a few glimpses/games of sheer brilliance by the end of the season. The best thing for Mahomes is to get a healthy Ware back and lean on the combo of Hunt and Ware early. Sprinkle in a few of Mahomes favorite Texas Tech play calls ala Texans/Watson, and KC could finish with a winning record in Mahomes first season.

This is a great outlook, very much in-line with my own. The most exciting element of 2018 Chiefs football, for ME, is observing the development of Mahomes as the season progresses.
Ideally( and a real confidence booster for Mahomes, as well as the rest of the team )we'd be headed to a Wild Card with the entire unit having caught some late season fire, but I'm not going to panic if we don't. Just finishing above .500 with Mahomes and the offense showing signs of cohesion and growth is an INCREDIBLY successful season IMO.

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Can we give Veach a lifetime contract?

I've got to think a lot of people were a little nervous when Dorsey left. I know I was.

Now we know Brett Veach was really the brains of the front office all along. Just being the guy who convinced Dorsey and Reid to get Mahomes would have been a good enough argument for that, but the way he rebuilt this defense last offseason was nothing short of brilliant.

It seems pretty stupid that Veach wasn't named as the NFL Executive of the Year. I guess he'll just have to console himself with the Super Bowl trophy.

I agree.

Furthermore, I now believe that the Chiefs organization is going to be the model organization in the NFL. Everything is so professional. Everything is first class. From the front office, to the coaching staff, to the players. And that's a credit to a classy owner.

Man our future is bright.

Yip

Genuine question for you guys:

If Jimmy G hits Sanders on that deep route in the fourth quarter and we lose the Super Bowl, do you guys have any less faith in Veach?

We wouldn’t lose. We had about 1:48 left. Plenty of time for Pat to score

That play was not going to beat the Chiefs.

Yeah it’s been an awful 2 1/2 years.

Will you take 2 straight AFC Championship appearances & a Super Bowl Championship?

I don't know if I posted in this thread, but I know I've made the Burt Reach joke at least a few times. Boy, was I wrong.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/kDIhIpwRRIi3K/giphy.gif

LMAO

LMAO

Yea that was before the 2017 season. You know, when our defense was legitimately good.

Was the defense not the strength of the team?

Was Sutton not considered one of the better DC’s at the time?

The second post I was completely off on. Didn’t see him going to shit so fast. But let’s not play revisionist history on the other stuff.

LMAO

LMAO

Easy to bump a bunch of posts when you literally never have a take yourself. 90% of your posts are 3-5 words and/or a cut & paste.

****ing loser.

I have hot takes. You just don’t pay attention.

high IQ. compare the way he speaks to dorsey. fluid fast and no pauses. transmits information very fast. honestly a little robotic and “patriot” with his answers. i prefer andy as he tends to be a little more forthright in interviews.

would like to see some insider behind the scenes of his player breakdowns.

****ing aye! Print 'em!

The 2018 was a pretty big whiff, dude. That was a shitty offseason. You wouldn't call that a collection of growing pains?

Definitely. Nnadi has been a good pick. Speaks hasn't looked good, but he missed all last seat, so hopefully there's still hope for him next season. O'Daniel looks like a lost cause. Watts is okay. But it says a lot about him that Thornhill took the starting spot ahead of him as a rookie, and after Thornhill went down, Watts still didn't start. McKenzie isn't even on the team anymore, so that's definitely a fail. Last year was light-years better though. So hopefully that's what we see more of in the future.

You are complaining about one year?

What did I say when Veach was first hired?

"Expect growing pains."

What did Veach do in his first offseason in charge?

Had some growing pains.

Leonardo da Veachi

No masterpiece happens overnight.

This guy is like the Mahomes of GMs

Lets keep it real Veach came into a great situation that is making him look really good, possibly better than he actually is.

Its a whole lot easier being GM of the Chiefs w Reid, Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Chris Jones etc. than it is a team that would be trying to rebuild from scratch.

C'mon, man. Veach has been killing it. Maybe that first draft wasn't the greatest but once he got his legs under him he's been nails. Let's do a quick review.

Player for player trades:

1. Eric Murray for Emanuel Ogbah: Homerun
2. Parker Ehringer for Charvarius Ward: Homerun
3. Alex Smith for Kendall Fuller, 3rd round pick that turned into Nnadi: Homerun.
4. Carlos Hyde for Martinas Rankin: Homerun

Draft picks for player trades:

1. 1st & 2nd for Frank Clark: Homerun
2. 4th for Reggie Ragland: Solid contributor and part-time starter.
3. 5th for Cam Erving: Decent depth.
4. 6th for Jordan Lucas: Solid depth.
5. 6th for Darren Lee: Whiff.

Other teams Practice Squad:

1. Harrison Butker: Homerun

Major Free Agents:

1. Tyrann Mathieu: Homerun
2. Sammy Watkins: Starter, major contributor that came up big in big games.
3. Anthony Hitchens: Starter, major contributor, albeit overpaid.
4. Alex Okafor: Starter, very good player before injury.
5. Bashaud Breeland: Starter, major contributor, came up big several times.
6. Damien Wilson: Dang close to a homerun. Easily our best linebacker.
7. Xavier Williams: Whiff

Low Level Free Agents:

1. Damien Williams: Homerun, fits the offense, came up big in big games.
2. Mo Claiborne: Emergency depth.
3. Chad Henne: Solid backup and veteran presence.
4. LeSean McCoy: Emergency depth, filled in effectively during Williams' injury.
5. Austin Reiter: Starter, replaceable but got the job done.
6. Andrew Wylie: Part-time starter, replaceable but did his part.

Off the Couch:

1. Mike Pennel: Homerun.
2. Stefan Wisniewski: Homerun
3. Matt Moore: Homerun

Waiver Wire:

1. Terrell Suggs: Exactly what we needed at exactly that moment.

Draft:

Veach has had two drafts and a total of 12 picks, including zero 1st round picks. Of those 12 picks, 10 are still with the team. McKenzie has been the only wasted pick. Tremon Smith contributed as a 6th round pick on Kick returns. Breeland Speaks is the key to the 2018 draft, as Nnadi is the only top line player from the class.

The 2019 draft has yielded four major contributors and one rookie starter. All four are probably future starters in Hardman, Thornhill, Saunders, and Fenton. Again, four potential starters with no first round pick.

So I don't know what criteria you are using to evaluate Veach's performance but I think you might be missing the boat. Dude did what he needed to do to fix the defense in one season and it was enough to win the championship. He definitely should have been considered for executive of the year.

He's been good for sure. I never said in my post that he wasn't. Still doesn't change the fact he came into a great situation that made his job easier than it would be for a GM trying to turn around a shit team like say the Cardinals.

I'm not sold on Veach being a great GM yet. Way too small of a sample size. Give it another year or two and see how he does. Hopefully you guys are right but for now IMO the jury is still out.

Who tf is Damien Smith?

your take has usually been-talk to me after they win a SB. Talk to me after the season.

Now, it's 'too small a sample size'.

I'm sorry, I was busy looking at this shiny Lombardi trophy, did you say something?

Good lord, man.

They won the ****ing thing. The whole ****ing thing.

Veach was a big part of that.

I've always believed the Chiefs could win a SB w Reid even when Alex Smith was here I said they could. So the whole 'talk to me after they win a SB' is absolute BS...

Yes Veach was a big part of the SB win and he has done a good, if not great job so far. I hope he kills it the rest of the time here as a Chiefs GM but that's not going to stop me from being objective.

He was put in a great situation. Anyone denying that is just being a homer.

Sorry, edited to Damien Williams. I'm not usually up that late but I couldn't sleep. So I was probably a little tired when typing.

Im not sure why you are calling out this post like it was some absurd comment?

Well, he's been there for the entire ride. And when considering his input on the drafting of Mahomes, one has to think he's been a big part of it from the start.

That said, if you want to evaluate him based on just the work he's done in the two years since becoming GM, that list I put up is pretty damn impressive. Show me another GM who has done as well in the past two years.

The way he plugged up holes this season when we needed a guy- was pretty amazing. Pennel ended up being a cornerstone of that defense and looks like he might stick around a few more years. Talking about pulling a diamond out of the rough.

His other big moves panned out when it counted most as well- Sammy, Honey Badger, Hitchens and Clark all played well through the playoffs and SB. Hell, even slow-ass Ragland chipped in.

The coaching staff was also pretty great-according to the praise of the players themselves. Guys really bought into their techniques and coaching, especially in the secondary.

I am very impressed with Veech so far. Looking forward to seeing how he navigates this important Free Agency with Jones and Watkins- then the draft, to get us loaded up for another run.

The moves he makes in the next few months will not only affect this year-but will impact us several years down the road with the cap.

Firing John Dorsey made sense!

Great list- thanks for posting.

Veech deserves an A grade for these moves and winning a SB.

I think Veach has done a great job, especially last year in FA. He has picked up a lot of good players.

I still am not completely sold on the drafting.

2018 was really bad.

2019 was very solid but not spectacular. One great draft would really help solidify things.

The biggest miss in FA has been Hitchens.