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Eleazar 06-22-2017 03:03 PM

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penbrook 06-22-2017 03:03 PM

Hypothetical speaking. If we win a super bowl with smith as QB there is no way you start Mahomes right?

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12926830)
You cannot expect a GM to come in with that chicken shit of a roster and expect him to start winning immediately and NOT have the cap bear some strain. That's the nature of the beast, especially when the roster depth he inherited was absolute garbage and he had to hit the market to even put a credible product on the field.

The man took the reigns of a 2-14 team with zero credible NFL quarterbacks on the roster and in the next 4 years averaged 11 wins/season and went to the playoffs three times.

What in the actual **** happened to measuring a person's performance by the totality of the circumstances?

No, you're just wrong. This absolutely 'should be surprising' because it's ****ing idiotic. You do not fire a guy that was instrumental in the turnaround that this team has gone through. Because if this is Clark's way of doing things, we're going to be Al Davis's 'fire and forget', unstable as **** Raiders in real short order.

Dorsey clearly made mistakes but his hits definitely outweighed his misses, which I described playing Devil's Advocate.

That said, I think this is all about Green Bay and a non-commitment to the Chiefs moreso than any misses.

siberian khatru 06-22-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926887)
Clark Hunt has repeatedly stated that it was important to lock up Dorsey and Reid to extensions.

In the meantime, Dorsey's name has been in play to replace Ted Thompson in Green Bay for the better part of a year.

I think it's highly likely that Dorsey refused to sign an extension because he wanted to see where Green Bay stood in 2018 and in doing so, Clark decided to fire him and move forward.

I think that's also a plausible explanation. Just don't think DJ's theory was that far out there either.

FloridaMan88 06-22-2017 03:04 PM

The franchise that kept crappy GM's such as Jack Steadman and Carl Peterson on board for decades, suddenly decides to get impatient with a generally successful (although certainly not perfect) GM in Dorsey.

RunKC 06-22-2017 03:04 PM

I don't think Ballard would have been picked. Dorsey brought Ballard in, not Andy.

Brett Veach was a guy Andy brought over to be on Dorsey's team. He's his guy.

kcpasco 06-22-2017 03:05 PM

I'll wait and see his replacement before I completely lose my shit.

Sandy Vagina 06-22-2017 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926895)
Hypothetical speaking. If we win a super bowl with smith as QB there is no way you start Mahomes right?

Smith will be happy to go out on top. Key words being GO OUT.. retire.. done.

Do not worry.

FloridaMan88 06-22-2017 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12926903)
I'll wait and see his replacement before I completely lose my shit.

Because We Are the Chiefs...

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penbrook 06-22-2017 03:06 PM

Who would you guys want to be the new gm?

Buehler445 06-22-2017 03:07 PM

I has the sad.

Meanwhile Cochise is killing it with GIFs. ROFL

Chiefspants 06-22-2017 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926907)
Who would you guys want to be the new gm?

Chris Ballard.

The timing of this is bad for any competent outside hire, unless Reid wants a yes man.

Mecca 06-22-2017 03:08 PM

Had to let Ballard go too, the GM has to be some dude who use to work for the Eagles so he won't even question what Reid wants to do, no checks no balances.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 06-22-2017 03:08 PM

Makes you wonder if this has anything to do with the way they handled the Maclin situation

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926907)
Who would you guys want to be the new gm?

Someone well versed in the Ron Wolf/Ted Thompson way of building a roster.

If John Dorsey heads back to Green Bay as expected, that pretty much rules out Eliot Wolf for the next decade, so he'd probably be the first guy I'd interview.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12926903)
I'll wait and see his replacement before I completely lose my shit.

It doesn't really matter who his replacement is. We knew what we had in Dorsey. We knew we had a guy who was very good at finding talent. It doesn't get much better than that.

Sure, he whiffed on FA's and overpays at times.

Who ever comes in and replaces him will likely do worse, or as good at best.

Dorsey was ballin'.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:10 PM

The new GM will be one of Andy's sons.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:10 PM

Per Ian Rapoport

There are few news stories I can remember generating as many stunned, dumbfounded reactions as John Dorsey being out in KC. Very respected

Mecca 06-22-2017 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926914)
Someone well versed in the Ron Wolf/Ted Thompson way of building a roster.

If John Dorsey heads back to Green Bay as expected, that pretty much rules out Eliot Wolf for the next decade, so he'd probably be the first guy I'd interview.

Pretty obvious it's just going to be a Reid yes man or they could have moved on this early and promoted Ballard.

Quesadilla Joe 06-22-2017 03:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are few news stories I can remember generating as many stunned, dumbfounded reactions as John Dorsey being out in KC. Very respected</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/877996838116220928">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Dorsey is a top-10 GM in the NFL. If he&#39;s not safe, no one is. I&#39;ve learned more about front office football from him than anyone else.</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/877994367516114944">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Sofa King 06-22-2017 03:11 PM

What the ****!

Hoover 06-22-2017 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12926912)
Makes you wonder if this has anything to do with the way they handled the Maclin situation

I bet Dorsey did Andy a favor in dealing with Maclin before he left.

Dude made too much money. You can't extend or rework that contract, same deal as Charles, we had to let him go.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Andy Reid will not take over GM duties. He&#39;d done both at the end in Philly. Chiefs are looking for a replacement for Dorsey.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/877992205096321024">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Titty Meat 06-22-2017 03:12 PM

I could see it being Tom Gamble if they don't hire within

Mecca 06-22-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926920)
Per Ian Rapoport

There are few news stories I can remember generating as many stunned, dumbfounded reactions as John Dorsey being out in KC. Very respected

Yea when you fire a GM who's doing a good job when there's so many bad ones, and hell there hasn't been a good one here in forever, it tends to make people wonder what the **** you're doing.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:12 PM

Clark dropped some hints.

This is either about Dorsey wanting to shop around or Dorsey's lack of cap management skills.

RunKC 06-22-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926914)
Someone well versed in the Ron Wolf/Ted Thompson way of building a roster.

If John Dorsey heads back to Green Bay as expected, that pretty much rules out Eliot Wolf for the next decade, so he'd probably be the first guy I'd interview.

Brett Veach is Andy's guy and he's learned that system under Dorsey for 4 years.

He would have been another teams GM in 2018. I would be shocked if it's not him.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12926921)
Pretty obvious it's just going to be a Reid yes man or they could have moved on this early and promoted Ballard.

I completely disagree.

If Dorsey didn't want to sign an extension due to the possibility of Green Bay opening up next year, it was the right move to fire him at this point.

Buehler445 06-22-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12926921)
Pretty obvious it's just going to be a Reid yes man or they could have moved on this early and promoted Ballard.

I'm not seeing anything that is obvious at the moment.

Chiefspants 06-22-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926933)
I completely disagree.

If Dorsey didn't want to sign an extension due to the possibility of Green Bay opening up next year, it was the right move to fire him at this point.

The right move would have been to fire him before letting Ballard go.

-King- 06-22-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12926874)
I get it. Some people are content with what Andy Reid brings. "competitive"

And what does Dorsey bring?
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Mecca 06-22-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12926934)
I'm not seeing anything that is obvious at the moment.

It's obvious the Chiefs are stupid.

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-22-2017 03:14 PM

So now Dorsey replaces Elway and high fives Bowlen telling him Mahomes will bust and the Chiefs are ****ed for 5 years and don't even have a 1st next year.

threebag 06-22-2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12926903)
I'll wait and see his replacement before I completely lose my shit.

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Might be waiting awhile so this might help

staylor26 06-22-2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12926937)
And what does Dorsey bring?
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You can't possibly be this ****ing stupid

You're not a contrarian yet you're the only guy in this thread pretending that Dorsey has done nothing.

wazu 06-22-2017 03:14 PM

What a ****ing debacle.

gblowfish 06-22-2017 03:15 PM

KK is on WHB talking to Herm about what happened. Talk about two clueless boobs trying to explain something like this...

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:16 PM

Quick! Lets start spreading rumors that Dorsey is an alcoholic wife beater with a gambling problem!

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12926932)
Brett Veach is Andy's guy and he's learned that system under Dorsey for 4 years.

He would have been another teams GM in 2018. I would be shocked if it's not him.

Oh, I'm sure they'll interview him but I think they have to interview minority candidates as well, which might put the Raiders Joey Clinkscale in the pool.

Red Dawg 06-22-2017 03:17 PM

What a kick in the balls! Now what? Who will be the GM?

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12926935)
The right move would have been to fire him before letting Ballard go.

Sure but what if Dorsey was set on staying in KC back in January but certain events changed his mind?

kgrund 06-22-2017 03:17 PM

This ramps up the heat on Clark big-time. Even with the Packers stuff in the background, if you are Clark, you have to lock Dorsey up.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:17 PM

WTF was Clark thinking?

I just don't understand.

displacedinMN 06-22-2017 03:18 PM

I think this sucks.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:18 PM

Dorsey made a lot of mistakes with Free Agents and contracts for aging players. He will always have a place in my heart though for moving up in the draft and finally drafting a QB to end the Blackledge Curse.

Best wishes.

FringeNC 06-22-2017 03:18 PM

There are reasons to be really uneasy about all of this. It's quite possible that Dorsey was really only effectively the chief scout. Seems like we drafted pretty well but our free agent signings weren't very good -- and those could have been Reid's calls. Who knows? We really don't know how much power Dorsey had at anything.

siberian khatru 06-22-2017 03:18 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Shocked,&quot; one NFL decision-maker told me. &quot;Top-to-bottom best roster in the league.&quot; There is internal surprise, too.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/877997883622129665">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:18 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and John Dorsey did not agree to part ways, per source. Chiefs dismissed John Dorsey, per source. Their decision.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/877998847858835456">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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L.A. Chieffan 06-22-2017 03:19 PM

It's all about the money.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:19 PM

I wonder if Dorsey wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league and Clark told him to kick rocks.....

If that's the case then **** you Clark Hunt.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926960)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and John Dorsey did not agree to part ways, per source. Chiefs dismissed John Dorsey, per source. Their decision.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/877998847858835456">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Damn Clark

KChiefs1 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

Herm Edwards on 810 now.


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ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12926959)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Shocked,&quot; one NFL decision-maker told me. &quot;Top-to-bottom best roster in the league.&quot; There is internal surprise, too.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/877997883622129665">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926960)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and John Dorsey did not agree to part ways, per source. Chiefs dismissed John Dorsey, per source. Their decision.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/877998847858835456">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Man, **** this team.

The Franchise 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12926962)
I wonder if Dorsey wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league and Clark told him to kick rocks.....

If that's the case then **** you Clark Hunt.

Couldn't pay both apparently.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926960)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and John Dorsey did not agree to part ways, per source. Chiefs dismissed John Dorsey, per source. Their decision.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/877998847858835456">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Maybe they tried to mutually agree to part ways but dorsey wouldn't answer so Clark left a voicemail.

OmahaChief 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

I hope they at least fired him by voicemail.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12926962)
I wonder if Dorsey wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league and Clark told him to kick rocks.....

If that's the case then **** you Clark Hunt.

Dorsey still had a year left on his contract so there was no reason to fire him if that was the case, which I don't believe was even a factor.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:20 PM

I better start seeing some rumors about Dorsey's addiction to opiates....

-King- 06-22-2017 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12926942)
You can't possibly be this ****ing stupid

You're not a contrarian yet you're the only guy in this thread pretending that Dorsey has done nothing.

I never said that. But I don't think it's such a big deal that he's gone. The stability and success we've had the past 4 years I credit mostly to Reid. He's the guy turning chicken shit to chicken salad. If Mahomes pans out, I won't give 3 ****s about Dorsey. He's been the #3 guy in charge since he got here. I'm not going to lose sleep over losing him and much as if we had lost Reid.
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AndChiefs 06-22-2017 03:22 PM

Conspiracy theory: Chiefs were becoming to competitive so the NFL told hunt they had to release Dorsey to go to a more favored team.

dirk digler 06-22-2017 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12926959)
"Shocked," one NFL decision-maker told me. "Top-to-bottom best roster in the league." There is internal surprise, too.
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Because Chiefs. So depressing..

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:23 PM

Per Tom Pelissero

Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

siberian khatru 06-22-2017 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926960)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and John Dorsey did not agree to part ways, per source. Chiefs dismissed John Dorsey, per source. Their decision.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/877998847858835456">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Insubordination? Dorsey got caught talking to GB recently after telling Clark in January he wanted to stay here?

Or recent events -- Maclin? -- pissed off Clark?

Chiefspants 06-22-2017 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12926951)
Sure but what if Dorsey was set on staying in KC back in January but certain events changed his mind?

Then Hunt needs to get it in writing from Dorsey (aka an extension) before letting Ballard go. Otherwise Dorsey should have gotten the ax. It should not have been that complicated for someone with the "business acumen" of Clark Hunt.

A top priority this offseason should have been to lock up Dorsey or Ballard long term. The Chiefs absolutely bungled that responsibility.

O.city 06-22-2017 03:24 PM

Apparently they had been having contract talks then chiefs decided to let him go.

Something weird happened

siberian khatru 06-22-2017 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926976)
Per Tom Pelissero

Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

Yeah, but there clearly was some final straw that we don't know.

T-post Tom 06-22-2017 03:24 PM

Based on the discussions here, a few of us should be sending our resumes to the Clarks....

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-22-2017 03:25 PM

This puts a huge damper on our future . Dorsey and Reid seemed to work so well together.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926976)
Per Tom Pelissero

Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

He mismanaged the cap a bit. That's the only viable explanation. Even still, not a good enough reason to fire a guy who built one of the best rosters in the league and the best Chiefs roster since the 90's.

FloridaMan88 06-22-2017 03:25 PM

Clark is obviously not happy with how the Chiefs salary cap has been managed... Trip MacCracken, Will Lewis and now Dorsey.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:25 PM

Reid and Dorsey have the same agent

staylor26 06-22-2017 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12926972)
I never said that. But I don't think it's such a big deal that he's gone. The stability and success we've had the past 4 years I credit mostly to Reid. He's the guy turning chicken shit to chicken salad. If Mahomes pans out, I won't give 3 ****s about Dorsey. He's been the #3 guy in charge since he got here. I'm not going to lose sleep over losing him and much as if we had lost Reid.
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If it's all Reid and his coaching then why did the Eagles roster go to shit at the end of his tenure? That roster was absolutely awful.

It's like you are completely ignoring what Dorsey did with this roster and giving all the credit to Reid. Nobody is saying Reid didn't coach it up, but the talent was actually there for him to do it. That's because of Dorsey.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12926954)
WTF was Clark thinking?

I just don't understand.

By the limited information we have, it could have played out like this. :hmmm:

Clark planned to extend Both Big Red and Dorsey. Andy signed his contract while Dorsey drug his feet, with an eye towards Green Bay. Once the Reid contract was finalized, Clark said times up...pulled the extension to Dorsey allowing him to pursue the Green Bay GM job, dictated a hastily written letter to his secretary and quickly emailed it to panicked season ticket holders.

-King- 06-22-2017 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12926976)
Per Tom Pelissero

Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

I could see Berry because Paylor said last year that Dorsey was hung up on the medical insurance part of the contract and it really cost them. But with Houston I don't blame dorsey. Houston would have been a fool to sign early.
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wazu 06-22-2017 03:26 PM

This is why our GMs never draft first round QBs. Penalty is swift termination.

threebag 06-22-2017 03:27 PM

Probably a lot of tension since the Mahomes pick.

Cmd'r&Chief 06-22-2017 03:27 PM

Check out @AllbrightNFL's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/sta...885645312?s=09

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12926993)
Probably a lot of tension since the Mahomes pick.

Only way there'd be tension is if Mahomes looked like a complete bust in camp.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

The only thing I can think of is the Green Bay situation which would make sense

FringeNC 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12926977)
Insubordination? Dorsey got caught talking to GB recently after telling Clark in January he wanted to stay here?

Or recent events -- Maclin? -- pissed off Clark?

Clark wouldn't have risked losing Reid and Dorsey. If Reid was pissed, he wouldn't have signed his contract extension. Reid had to be okay with it. If Reid and Dorsey had a falling out over cutting Maclin, we're screwed. Shows Reid too sentimental.


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