It depends who they draft at #27

If it's Christian McCaffery, you can bet your Dove body bar-coated ass I'm going to go on a tirade.

We do you guys think so little of Watson?

too close to Alex Smith?

Falks are guy his ahort yardage throws are money.

Probably because Watson has an average arm, at best, and was pretty inconsistent last year.

Cousins and Jimmy G. Will also be on the market next year.

Johnny Football and Paxton Lynch, asshole.

However, I was pretty ****ing pissed when we took Ford instead of Bridgewater or Carr.

Didn't give a shit about anybody else in the middle or late rounds in Dorsey's tenure. I did think Aaron Murray was a great pick at the time, and I hated Kevin Hogan.

You just can't stand the thought that people who strongly advocate for taking a QB are still selective when it comes to the options the Chiefs have.

He's got the arm strength of Chad Pennington without the laser accuracy. That's just my opinion, though. Again, I know nothing about coaching QBs. If Andy Reid thinks those flaws aren't that big of a deal, or that he can coach Watson to throw with a bit more velocity, then I'll applaud him if he drafts Watson.

I wanted Carr over Ford, not Bridgewater though.

Nah, I just can't stand people who love hyping up and getting excited over C-level, day 2-3 QB prospects just because they want a 1st round rookie QB over anything else.

Oh yay.

The top 4 guys the Chiefs could get all need time on the bench. They can't be rushed out there too quickly.

I think Trubisky and Kizer are the dudes who have a decent shot at becoming good pros if they are given a slow entry to the NFL.

Mahomes is a mystery to me. I really have no clue about him. Again, if Dorsey and Reid think they know him will enough and they draft him, I'll trust them.

I don't think Watson will stick in the NFL. His intangibles and leadership that people are talking about are the same obsessions folks had with Tebow at the expense of some pretty glaring flaws. Watson is different. He knows how to actually throw a goddamn football. He's faster athletically, and I also think he's smarter. But I don't think he has the arm to make it work.

And I've seen nothing of Davis Webb that convinces me he'll be anything more than just a dude. He seems like the kind of QB that the Jets or Buffalo drafts from time to time and just never cracks the depth chart beyond backup. He eventually washes out of the NFL having done nothing more than a bit of spot duty.

That's my assessment. I'm not desperate for C level prospects. I see an opportunity with four guys, and I see two of them that I really like. And if Dorsey and Reid likes one of them, I'd much rather they pull the trigger now than try to navigate through 2018 and possibly be put in a position where they REALLY have to reach for a putrid prospect.

Again, if I'm running the show, and Trubisky and Kizer are gone, but Barnett or Watt are still on the board at 27, I'm drafting them over Mahomes or Watson.

How you can possibly paint that as "desperation" like Clay is doing or accuse me of not really being informed about 2017's QBs is beyond me.

Exactly.

If they take Watson or Kizer, I'll just say "eh, I guess they know what they're doing" but I don't like either of them. Kizer I could talk myself into due to his long-term upside, at least.

Watson would have me in the same boat that I was in when Pioli traded for Cassel - dude had better be right because I'm not seeing it at all.

And for all the yap about the '18 class, nobody but Darnold will be able to step in and play better than Mahomes in '18. Mahomes will have a year under his belt by then.

The 'wait 'till 18' crowd seems to be completely ignoring the fact that this front office isn't going to walk away from Smith to install a rookie - they just won't. So if we wait until '18, that means 2 more years with Smith.

IF there is a gap between the caliber of QBs available to us at this point in the draft and the caliber of QBs likely to be available to us at a similar point in next year's draft, it isn't so great to justify another year with Alex Smith. If Falk falls into the teens, it will be because he isn't the world-beater that folks are trying to say he'll be. Likewise with Rudolph or Allen or Browning or Rosen. If any of those guys make it to the 18-25 range, it will be because they simply aren't the prospects people are claiming they're going to be. If they're clearly better than Mahomes and crew, they'll go top 10. If they're the same, we'll pay the same to get them only wait a year to start on their development.

"Wait until X class" simply doesn't make sense. Not with as willing as teams are to move up to get their guy anymore. If the draft is full of studs next year, we'll still be left out in the cold because the teams that desperately need them will pay more to move up less than we will. And we'll end up looking at the same kind of flawed prospects in the late 20s that we're looking at now.

What QB in this draft is better than Cousins?

Obviously none of them. But none of these QBs are going to cost you multiple 1st round picks and $20+ million a season.

Won't he be a free agent next year? Even if you have to trade a pick and pay the guy 3 million more than Smith who cares? I keep hearing were just a QB away.well there ya go.

Cousins will cost a hell of a lot more than $3 million more than Smith.

I'm thinking he ends up costing 5/$120 million with $75 million of that guaranteed.

That's more than a 40% kicker in AAV over what Smith's making For a quarterback who will be entering his age 30 season and beginning his physical decline. And that doesn't even get into the massive guarantee that will eliminate any possibility of an escape hatch for at least 3 seasons and ensure that we won't be seeing a young QB take over this franchise until 2021 at the very earliest.

The Chiefs need to get out of the business of signing expensive re-treads, especially if they hope to keep guys like Peters, Hill, Jones, etc...

We can debate the cap all day long quite frankly im not sure it matters ive seen this GM give a punter a ridiculous amount of money with a shitty cap and still able to keep all the guys he wants. Does Cousins not make this team better? I think he absouletly does. I agree it would be nice to draft a guy I wont be mad if we do shit I hope we do this year. Im not aure any of them are special though and I wont adopt the this year or nothing mentality. Ive seen it done several times on this board and its never worked.

Cousins probably makes this team better.

But man, isn't it just the same shit sandwich on different bread? How many times do we have to see picking up somebody else's quarterback fail before we realize it just isn't the way to go.

NFL history is not littered with examples of veteran quarterbacks changing teams and taking them to the championship. There are a few, but not a ton. Moreover, recent history looks even worse as the cap has made that less and less viable an approach.

If you're paying top of the market prices for a QB that's just slightly better than average, in a cap league you're making your team worse in the long run, not better.

If they make that signing and don't win a SB in the first 2 seasons, they won't win one at all. And with the complexity of Reid's offense, you can pretty much write year 1 off anyway (he'll still have a hell of a learning curve). So you're putting a whole lot of eggs in the year 2 basket before that contract starts to make it impossible for you to retain talent around him.

Nah, not interested.

I think he makes us better but probably not a super bowl champion. Im not sure thats this franchises desire though. Of course they want to win it all but I dont get that same desire as say New England, Denver or Pittsburgh. Cousins atleast gets them to the playoffs.

Or we could all be wasting our time on this and they try to give the keys to our current backup whos stuck around for 4 years. Maybe we do get that top 10 pick next year since our 33 year old qb doesnt know how to slide. Who knows?

Not a terrible point.

The odds of Smith making it through 12+ games/season over the coming years get less and less as his ability to actually throw the football continues to decline.

He's going to continue to put himself in harms way and as he ages, he'll be less able to avoid the shot or shake of its effects.

Maybe Smith will get a severe injury and Tyler Bray will turn into the NFL's next Kurt Warner.

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Naaaaah... that'd be a stroke of good luck. That will never happen to us.

Just like Alex Smith getting hurt and Tyler Bray leading us to a 1-15 record will never happen.

And then there's people like you who NEVER want a QB every single year.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...8&postcount=17

This was last year..oddly familiar. Next year is always the year guys! We'll hear that 1 year from now and then the next year etc.

"We're just unlucky"

When it comes to the draft, teams make their own luck, especially over a multi-year period.

Yeah, like trading your 1st one year for a 1st the following season.

That's exactly how you seize control of your destiny.

This.

There's a reason teams like the Steelers and Pats and Packers seem to constantly be in the hunt...

I'll gladly trade a 2017 2nd for a 2018 1st, like what the Broncos and Lions did a few years ago so the Broncos could draft that bust CB they got with the pick.

A 2017 1st for a 2018 1st can go **** itself straight up your own ass. That is idiocy of the highest magnitude.

There is going to have to be one hell of a player available at 27 to get a team to gamble next years 1st to move up. If that player is a QB this year, I'm guessing 24 or 26 is the target of that trade, to get in front of Houston or us.

I couldn't disagree more.

The QB position isn't what you'd prefer but this is a super talented draft...

That's kind of what I meant. They say from around 13 to 60 in this draft are all excellent players. To get someone to move up to 27, when there are other good players left, that coveted player is going to be something extra.

QB is the only position I can see some team giving up a 2018 1st rd pick for. In a "weak class", I doubt it happens.

ASS cut Reek in Madden...just sayin

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong but your post made it sound like there'd have to be a very rare and special player there to make a team want to move up.

I think a TON of talent will fall due to teams reaching for QB's and this is a talent rich draft...

I'm trying to think, but has there been a successful example of trading the farm to move up for a QB?

Certainly not RG3. Not Jared Goff. One could argue the Giants won the day by trading for Eli Manning instead of Rivers, although I'd be shocked if Rivers couldn't have had the same success Eli did in NY.

I don't know why that is. It's kind of surprising, actually. In all of those situations, one guy was great and the other did jack shit. I guess it comes back to getting it right.

On the flip side, it is valid to point out that Brees, Warner, and Peyton are all retread QBs to lead their new team to a super bowl, and they went 2-4 collectively in those games.

It can be done, but it's rare. Mostly because teams don't let go of super bowl caliber QBs.

Not sure any of this means jack ****ing shit in terms of this debate, but there's been a lot of good arguments in here, and it got me thinking. We have extra picks this year in a QB-depleted, yet other-position-rich draft. Do you package them, pull the trigger, and trade up, praying you got Luck and not RG3? Do you say **** it, we'll see who falls and fill out this roster with good players at 9 other positions?

Sadly, this is an argument that I don't think can be won until draft night and you see what happens. If Trubisky, Mahomes, and Watson are all gone by pick 10, then it changes everything. Trading up into the top 10 for a guy you are FOR SURE not playing until at least next year just seems to be really bad roster management. I get the reasons to go for it, but I think it might cause more harm than good in the long run.

Maybe.

Who knows.

Is 9:30am too early to start drinking?

Well by that metric, it's certainly not drafting a QB as high as possible every chance you get.

Guess the eternal mystery will remain, particularly with Rodgers and Brady, is a franchise QB a function of draft capital or quality training staff?