That's the huge drawback -- Dyson in CF. With Lough (?) or Willy Taveras as the backup.

Unless Glass allows Dayton to sign Michael Bourn. :D

What if we put together a package for Dexter Fowler?

Our time

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

The #Cubs, who thought they had a deal with Sanchez, are still waiting. The #Tigers are indeed being given last chance to match.


Look's like Bob jumped the gun.

Do you troll every royals forum or topics?

Wow that would be a terrible move for us. Cain is our starting CF and we have nothing backing him up. Dyson isn't very good. Crow is a key part of our pen which was our 1 big strength last year and he will give us 60-70 quality innings. Ventura is a definite major league talent (prob in the pen). He profiles very closely to Kelvin Herrera who was nails last year. This kinda move would severely weaken us overall.

Losing Cain is the biggest hit, without a doubt.

I wouldn't hesitate to move a bullpen arm to shore up RF (or even 2B). Deal from strength to address a weakness. We have a deep pen, and at least theoretically, we now have a starting staff that can get to the 7th (sted of being yanked by the 6th).

Plus, if there's one thing Moore has demonstrated at the ML level, it's that he can build bullpens. He traded Ramirez and Nunez and was able to replace them. To that end, Juan Gutierrez is having a very good winter season in Venezuela.

Need to be careful with Herrera given his arm history. If we lost him, our pen looks thin. We don't have Broxton for four months this year either. Crow, Holland, Coleman, Collins - might not be all that solid. Hard to predict pens from one year to the next. Without Crow in there it's even weaker.

Hopefully we won't need the pen as much this year. The bullpen boys did well last year, inspite of being out there for too many innings

Ordering up some Royals shirts for my parents and girlfriend for the spring training games. Baseball can't get here soon enough!

You da man.

Other than being a fan of the big 10.

:)

You take that back you dirty peter puffer!

I forget, who is your team?

if we are going for another pitcher we just need to buy one not trade

5/85 to Sanchez. Do eet. Do eet now! And 4/60 to Shields.

I try to be nice. And you bust out the name calling. Thought we were Royals brothers.

and...

WAVE THE WHEAT BEEEEEEITCH!

Shields/Sanchez/Santana/Guthrie/Davis(Mendoza)(Smith)(Chen)(Duffy)(Paulino)
Is a legit rotation.

Wish Paulino and Duffy were healthy for the start of the season...

Where's Hoch? I wonder what they plan to do with him.

Wave the Wheat. ROFL

That is so catchy.

How about Hoch and a prospect to the Halos for Peter Bourjos? I love that guy.

Hey!!!!

I thought we were message board bffs.

No longer, lewdick!!!!

Why would they do that?

And cash to pay most of Hoch's contract as well. And then we can dump Francoeur and his expiring contract to a team looking for an extra stick.

They don't need Bourjos anymore. Also, they need pitching. And if we could pay most of Hoch's 2013 salary, it's basically a no-risk, potentially high reward move.

Why would they bring on a negative value starter to their rotation? Even if he was free?

Would they owe Hoch a full years salary if he's cut in Spring Training?

They're not interested in our trash, but Bourjos would absolutely be an astute target for a trade. He immediately starts in CF, and Cain moves to RF. This would be an outstanding defensive outfield, with the possibility for solid offensive production.

I wasnt saying that one job is more lucrative than the other. I was opining that sometimes he comes off believing he has the chops to be a GM.

Now I shouldve stated beforehand that I do enjoy most of his articles. But he's kind of acting like a 12 year old girl who was just broken up with

I have little doubt that he does. I'd trade DM for Rany in a second.

You liked it when he was slobbering all over signing Carl Crawford? That contract would've hamstrung us for years.

I'm not debating his eye for the game...but GM-worthy is a bit much

If DM is a GM...

I can forgive and forget.......



Can you?

poodog.

never!

I just realized Duncan started the Missouri football thread. Hopefully you do better with this one!

Haven't checked this thread since the day after the Shields trade. I feel a little better about it, and am at least willing to give it a chance to work out.

Has the idea of a trade for Dickey gone by the wayside? I feel like that puts us firmly in the contender talk but haven't heard much since Myers for Shields went down.

I guess myers hit 4 home runs in an intersquad game all off of David Price.

That's like offering someone cancer, but you'll pay their medical bills.

We would probably start eating into the ML roster and really thin out the minors. We would be better off focusing on replacing Frenchy which can be done for much cheaper.

I'm over the Myers deal....sucks we had to get rid of him but kinda excited but i was last year too

I wasn't on board with the Myers trade. But I'm still excited as hell for the season, We got Big game ****ing james. Why not be optimistic?

I just hope it works out for us.

I was pissed, but im stoke to see what happens this year, hoping that Wade Davis becomes a solid guy

agreed, but its win now or dayton is fired

Fair enough. I'm assuming Bourn is way out of our price range?

Nevermind, just saw that Tony Plush (Nyjer Morgan) is a free agent. Championship. :D

In no due respect, **** nyjer morgan. What a garbage individual that guy is

Knowing the Royal's luck:
1) Myers will move up this year and immediately start raking
2) The Rays know exactly what is wrong with Monty and he becomes an ace overnight.
3) Odorizzi actually turns into a valid major league pitcher.
4) Patrick Leonard will be the next coming of Pujols.
5) Shields will come completely off the rails and become below replacement level.
6) Davis will fizzle in the rotation, get moved back to reliever then traded for Mike Jacobs.

I will say this. Like most of you, I think Hoch is garbage. But there's enough there for another GM to say that if it was virtually a no-risk deal (cash considerations from us), that a change of scenery could bring something out in him. The whole #1 pick thing.

That said, I would be willing to part with one of our prospects to go get Bourjos. That guy is a baller. As Deez said, he plays great defense. Also, a great baserunner.

Of course we already have Francouer, so DM isn't thinking about that.

At least the team would be entertaining, regardless of the outcome. :)

Seriously, though, I'm assuming Bourn is out of our price range to upgrade the OF. Or does Dayton just trot Frenchy out there again & pray to the baseball gods that he's not a worthless piece of shit in 2013?

An outfield with Cain in RF and Dyson in CF with Gordon, would be insanely good defensively. And might make up for our defensive shortcomings vis a vis Tampa. Hell, our IF would be good with the exception of Hosmer. We could really chase down everything, altho our offense wouldn't be the best.


Frenchy wasn't getting to any balls last year, it showed up in his range factor and you could see it on TV. I don't know if he was lollygagging it or if he was a bit hurt but plenty of soft drives landed in front of him. Now in the past, he'd make up for his range by gunning runners out with his arm but last year he didn't. He's the wild card here this year because if he sucks again at the plate, he's a big problem. If he plays like 2011 then we're ok.

What the hell is Bryan Lahair up to? Heard his name a lot last year. He could come cheap

I'm pretty sure he signed with a team in Japan.

Hochevar has the worst ERA in baseball since 2007 with a min. of 600 innings pitched (saw it on mlbtr).

Where is the value in that?

He was terrible after May. He also can't hit LHP, so he would've been a strictly platoon guy.

Damn. sounds just like the type of guy DM would trade a prospect for and sign to a 1 year contract.

Delmon Young is a FA:shrug:

Would love Delmon. But, I've seen him drop way too many pop ups

Looking at mlbtr and their outfield FA tracker, there's not much else outside of Swisher and Bourn. Abreu, Damon, etc. All old and washed up or guys looking for minor league deals. Looks like we're stuck with frenchy!!

:banghead::banghead:

Could take a flyer on Grady Sizemore. He hasn't been healthy though but he could be a cheap option that could be a stud if he is healthy.

He's horrible. Bad fielder and never takes a walk. It's a guy DM would love if Frenchy wasn't already here, but that being said he's a bad option. Pricey, bad character, and crappy

Alfonso Soriano @ 2 yrs 10 mill?

Cubs are willing to eat 26 or the remaining 36 million on his contract if they get an okay return, and he had a pretty salty line last year. Terrible defensively though.

I'm just throwing ideas out there. i have a huge exam tomorrow morning so my brain is fried, but I don't want to go back to studying.

DAMON COULD TAKE US TO THE PLAYOFFS!

wait nvm this isnt 2004

FALSE ALARM

Royals signed Xavier Nady to a minor league deal.

So we finally got him and didn't have to give up Beltran to do so like all the SD fans were wanting.

Win!

I keep hoping that we might make a move for some of the available talent in RF, but it's obvious that DM is madly in love with Frenchy and nothing's changing.

I'd love to but I think he's out until June or so.

It's like bringing Brady Quinn in as "competition" for Cassel. (Yeah, rf in baseball isn't even close to comparable to qb in football, but you get the idea.)

That is what I figured he was out until, which wouldn't be that bad for us.

By then, he can fill in for Cain who will be out with a broken dick.

I don't think Young or Soriano are very good options (or realistic).

Young IS Jeff Francoeur. Terrible plate discipline, swings at everything, sometimes gets red-hot and rakes. He also is atrocious defensively. He was too bad defensively to play the OF for the Tigers. A team that is fine with committing long-term to Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder at the corners, with the RANGY Jhonny Peralta at shortstop.

That says a lot about Young's defense (or lack thereof). I don't think he'd be an upgrade over Francoeur in any way but salary.

Soriano is intriguing at $5 million/per, but he's old and isn't good defensively in LF. Hard to imagine him being studly in RF (though I think his arm is good enough for it).

Signing a guy or two like Nady as depth is probably the best bet at this point.

I keep seeing people refer to Cain like he's incredibly injury prone. I realize most of that is the impression from this season, but the guy is pretty durable. He's not Cal Ripken, but some Royals fans act like the guy is J.D. Drew or something (Not Saul - just in general).

Games played by Cain, career, by year:

2005: 56 (rookie ball - short season)
2006: 132
2007: 126
2008: 126
2009: 60 (Hamstring injury)
2010: 127
2011: 134
2012: 75 (hip flexor injury)

He's been a pro for 8 seasons. He has had serious injury time missed in just two of them. Not a crazy ratio at all for someone who plays CF.

Someone offers you a bet on whether Cain misses 20 or more games due to injuries this year...which side are you taking?

If you can't flat-out replace Frenchy, at least platoon him. He's always hit LHP better than RHP (although last year the difference was marginal, which shows just how awful he was). Hell, give Lough a shot at the beginning of the season.

Thing is, I don't think Yost likes to platoon.

Him staying healthy and making no more than one 15-day DL stint? I'd take that bet.

Ditto.

Bob Dutton is on twitter right now basically saying "Hey morons, Franceour is starting and isn't going anywhere." He is basically giving a general reply to every fan questioning about Bourne, Bourjos, Ibanez, etc. It's kind of funny.