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Mecca 02-18-2025 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17972425)
This is why if they do the transition tag initially I'll totally understand.

Because with the **** you money going into owners' pockets right now, who is to say some cap rich team isn't going to overpay all these guys just to spite the Chiefs? By now they all see they need to be weakened. What if the Raiders offer Bolton $20M a year?? And then the Jags offer Reid $15M?

It's not insane to think, and in that scenario maybe the transition tag saves us Smith at least. Would be brutal to lose 'em all without bringing in outside talent to offset.
A team isn't going to destroy it's cap to **** the Chiefs, that would be extremely short sighted. Those teams will make moves for players that fit what they want to do.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-18-2025 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17972428)
A team isn't going to destroy it's cap to **** the Chiefs, that would be extremely short sighted. Those teams will make moves for players that fit what they want to do.
I don't think for many teams that destroys their cap.

Don't put it past some of these teams to do it. Many of them have dog shit rosters and can definitely afford to poke the bear. Nick Bolton and Justin Reid would be very useful for a number of teams, even if they have to pay $5M more per year than they wanna.

htismaqe 02-18-2025 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972419)
I’d like Justin Reid back at the right price. Safety salaries have been bad recently so who knows.

I hope they don’t cave on Bolton even though I’m expecting them to. He’s not a top 10 LB. Never made a pro bowl or All pro. If someone offers him Fred Warner, Roquan Smith or even Tremaine Edmunds money…yeah it would be a disaster paying that much. If that happens you let him walk.

I wouldn’t be super pissed about Trey if they paid him. I’d get the logic to do that, especially after what just happened. I just don’t see it happening.
Bolton is actually a plus player. Trey Smith is way overrated. If either of them are worth that kind of money, it's Bolton. Smith should not be back.

RunKC 02-18-2025 01:59 PM
If a team offers Nick Bolton $18 million APY or more then you call him up, thank him for his time here and tell him to go with God

htismaqe 02-18-2025 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972603)
If a team offers Nick Bolton $18 million APY or more then you call him up, thank him for his time here and tell him to go with God
I don't disagree. But if the number is less than that, you can bring him back.

There's really no justification for bringing back Trey Smith.

Gary Cooper 02-18-2025 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972603)
If a team offers Nick Bolton $18 million APY or more then you call him up, thank him for his time here and tell him to go with God
That would be Fred Warner and Roquan Smith type numbers. He's not worth that.

crispystl 02-18-2025 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17972573)
Bolton is actually a plus player. Trey Smith is way overrated. If either of them are worth that kind of money, it's Bolton. Smith should not be back.
This. If it's between those two then there is absolutely zero question on who you keep.

Mecca 02-18-2025 03:14 PM
The only LB's that are getting 18 AAV are the guys who incredibly athletic, Bolton isn't that guy.

Sometimes I think people kind of forget how good some of those top end paid LB's are, Fred Warner is like if you look Willie Gay and Nick Bolton and combined all their best traits into 1 dude.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-18-2025 03:16 PM
I mean I don't want any part of paying $18m either but let's not act like it isn't common practice for new player salaries to pass old player salaries

Brock Purdy is going to get a bigger deal than Mahomes has, doesn't make him better or lead anyone to believe the 49ers feel that way either. You could certainly call it bad business however and that's why I don't expect Veach to do it. He hasn't made a habit of overpaying players yet and I don't expect it to start now...

Mecca 02-18-2025 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17972730)
I mean I don't want any part of paying $18m either but let's not act like it isn't common practice for new player salaries to pass old player salaries

Brock Purdy is going to get a bigger deal than Mahomes has, doesn't make him better.
He's not as good as any of those guys with those really high AAV's at that position...

RunKC 02-18-2025 03:25 PM
Hate to tell you guys this but I think there’s a strong possibility that Bolton, Trey, Reid and Omenihu all get massively overpaid for what we would want to give them.

I could see Veach utilizing this for the comp pick formula and getting a lot of smaller deals to balance it out and getting two extra 3rd rd picks in 2026.

Mecca 02-18-2025 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972736)
Hate to tell you guys this but I think there’s a strong possibility that Bolton, Trey, Reid and Omenihu all get overpaid for whatever want to give them.

I could see Veach utilizing this for the comp pick formula and getting a lot of smaller deals to balance it out and getting two extra 3rd rd picks in 2026.
Omenihu isn't coming back he's vocal about wanting to be paid.

If they lose Bolton and Reid everyone is gonna lose their shit about how much the defense sucks, book it.

htismaqe 02-18-2025 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972736)
Hate to tell you guys this but I think there’s a strong possibility that Bolton, Trey, Reid and Omenihu all get massively overpaid for what we would want to give them.

I could see Veach utilizing this for the comp pick formula and getting a lot of smaller deals to balance it out and getting two extra 3rd rd picks in 2026.
They're not going to lose all 4 of them.

RunKC 02-18-2025 03:37 PM
I’d say the most likely outcome is we keep Hollywood and overpay Bolton. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost Bolton though. Lot of teams could easily pay him $18 million without blinking, like the Patriots.

Could see Vrabel wanting him that bad

Rausch 02-18-2025 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17972739)

If they lose Bolton and Reid everyone is gonna lose their shit about how much the defense sucks, book it.
Everyone cried about how much the defense sucked this year while allowing 14 points in 3 quarters of football. It's truly bizarre....


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