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kccrow 01-14-2025 12:38 PM

Adding a big batch today for ya'll...
DE Jack Sawyer, DE Ashton Gillotte, DT Derrick Harmon, DT Walter Nolan, DT Deone Walker, WR Emeka Egbuka, WR Jack Bech, WR Jaylin Noel, WR Jalen Royals, LT Josh Simmons, RG Marcus Mbow, LB Jay Higgins, LB Danny Stutsman, and CB Jahdae Barron

spanky 52 01-14-2025 01:28 PM

Would our 2nd round pick be too early or too late for Mbow?

kccrow 01-14-2025 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky 52 (Post 17910495)
Would our 2nd round pick be too early or too late for Mbow?

I'd wager a bit early. I see him as a 3rd rounder. We'll have to see where things shake out with the consensus though.

Couch-Potato 01-14-2025 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17910416)
Adding a big batch today for ya'll...
DE Jack Sawyer, DE Ashton Gillotte, DT Derrick Harmon, DT Walter Nolan, DT Deone Walker, WR Emeka Egbuka, WR Jack Bech, WR Jaylin Noel, WR Jalen Royals, LT Josh Simmons, RG Marcus Mbow, LB Jay Higgins, LB Danny Stutsman, and CB Jahdae Barron

Im right there with you on the bolded names.

Curious what you see in Ashton Gillotte? I’m not sure what to think about him, he’s not very tall or long, but has 80+ pressures over the last 2 seasons. Is he a situational pass rusher type like FAU?

DrRyan 01-14-2025 09:46 PM

Kyren Lacy, top NFL draft prospect, arrested on negligent homicide after deadly crash

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kyren-lacy...l&id=117563365

kccrow 01-14-2025 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 17911084)
Kyren Lacy, top NFL draft prospect, arrested on negligent homicide after deadly crash

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kyren-lacy...l&id=117563365

Well, that doesn't look real good now does it...

DrRyan 01-14-2025 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17911094)
Well, that doesn't look real good now does it...

For those thinking he could be another stud LSU WR available that wouldn't take a first round pick it does. It will be interesting seeing what plays out in court and if he gets drafted. Negligible homicide seems like a charge that could take him off some teams draft boards. Time will tell but it looks bad at this point.

So many young WRs finding themselves in trouble being incredibly reckless behind the wheel recently.

kccrow 01-14-2025 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17911031)
Im right there with you on the bolded names.

Curious what you see in Ashton Gillotte? I’m not sure what to think about him, he’s not very tall or long, but has 80+ pressures over the last 2 seasons. Is he a situational pass rusher type like FAU?

I like his power rush ability and that tends to translate well to the pros. I like that he gets off the ball. That's something that I get hung up on with guys. I miss sometimes but I think it's a good measure to look for. I think he's long enough but we'll see where he measures. I like his versatility to move up and down the line. He has some growing to do, especially in finding more ways to win at the LOS. He's not an elite guy who's going to bend the edge though. I'd be eyeballing him as an Omenihu replacement.

Tribal Warfare 01-14-2025 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17908508)
I honestly don't care much at all about 'pairing' Pacheco with anyone at this point.

I want a new, better RB1.

If Pacheco can forge a role as an RB2 in short-yardage situations, neat - so much the better. But he's not been any better than Hunt this season and in a lot of ways worse.

I'm not looking to supplement the RB room - I'm looking to upgrade on it.

With how Defense's are generally getting lighter so they can rush and defend the pass better a high volume carry power back is the way to go.

Couch-Potato 01-15-2025 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17911115)
I like his power rush ability and that tends to translate well to the pros. I like that he gets off the ball. That's something that I get hung up on with guys. I miss sometimes but I think it's a good measure to look for. I think he's long enough but we'll see where he measures. I like his versatility to move up and down the line. He has some growing to do, especially in finding more ways to win at the LOS. He's not an elite guy who's going to bend the edge though. I'd be eyeballing him as an Omenihu replacement.

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll take a close look! 100% pass rush rating on DraftBuzz and 90th % on PFF!

The guy I’ve been eyeing as an Omenihu replacement is Oregon’s DE Jordan Burch, 6-6, 295 lbs:https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...-SouthCarolina

He’s got size, can play the run and the pass, and is versatile like Omenihu where he can play inside or out.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2025 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17911165)
With how Defense's are generally getting lighter so they can rush and defend the pass better a high volume carry power back is the way to go.

A high volume rushing game should NEVER be 'the way to go' for this team.

Especially not a power back -- someone that's likely to get you 4 YPC and just grind things works in a pinch, but it's not how this team SHOULD be looking to win games.

Let every team in the league that DOESN'T have Patrick Mahomes go get their heavy backs and force defenses to adjust back. We don't need to be the trendsetters there and shouldn't want to be.

There are 31 other football teams that aren't the Chiefs. 25 of those have middling or worse QB play. Those guys can go get their thunderbacks and convince opposing DCs that they need to change the way they construct their defenses.

I'll take the dude with the speed off the edge instead.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2025 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17911310)
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll take a close look! 100% pass rush rating on DraftBuzz and 90th % on PFF!

The guy I’ve been eyeing as an Omenihu replacement is Oregon’s DE Jordan Burch, 6-6, 295 lbs:https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...-SouthCarolina

He’s got size, can play the run and the pass, and is versatile like Omenihu where he can play inside or out.

I think Veach will LOVE Burch.

I like him as well. Not sure I'd want to use a 1st on him, but we could potentially get him with our 2nd and that would be a sweet spot for him.

Former big shit HS prospect who was good but never great in college. Those guys are often music to Brett's ears. Gimme that sweet sweet pedigree and the measurables for days.

Ducks in the 1st and 2nd with Conerly and Burch would be just fine by me.

Tribal Warfare 01-15-2025 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17911900)
A high volume rushing game should NEVER be 'the way to go' for this team.

Especially not a power back -- someone that's likely to get you 4 YPC and just grind things works in a pinch, but it's not how this team SHOULD be looking to win games.

Let every team in the league that DOESN'T have Patrick Mahomes go get their heavy backs and force defenses to adjust back. We don't need to be the trendsetters there and shouldn't want to be.

There are 31 other football teams that aren't the Chiefs. 25 of those have middling or worse QB play. Those guys can go get their thunderbacks and convince opposing DCs that they need to change the way they construct their defenses.

I'll take the dude with the speed off the edge instead.

Chiefs are going to win games and championships through Mahomes, but if you look at Defenses in general they are built to stop speed. If you look at said successful running attacks they have a smashmouth running game. Henry,Dobbins, Cook, Saquon has it all, Montgomery, and Robinson.

kccrow 01-15-2025 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17911310)
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll take a close look! 100% pass rush rating on DraftBuzz and 90th % on PFF!

The guy I’ve been eyeing as an Omenihu replacement is Oregon’s DE Jordan Burch, 6-6, 295 lbs:https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...-SouthCarolina

He’s got size, can play the run and the pass, and is versatile like Omenihu where he can play inside or out.

I like Burch on the surface. I want to do a bit of a deeper dive on him and see why the ultra-low solo tackle numbers the past two seasons in Oregon. The traits are there though for him to be a fit in that role.

kccrow 01-15-2025 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17911900)
A high volume rushing game should NEVER be 'the way to go' for this team.

Especially not a power back -- someone that's likely to get you 4 YPC and just grind things works in a pinch, but it's not how this team SHOULD be looking to win games.

Let every team in the league that DOESN'T have Patrick Mahomes go get their heavy backs and force defenses to adjust back. We don't need to be the trendsetters there and shouldn't want to be.

There are 31 other football teams that aren't the Chiefs. 25 of those have middling or worse QB play. Those guys can go get their thunderbacks and convince opposing DCs that they need to change the way they construct their defenses.

I'll take the dude with the speed off the edge instead.

I agree with you, largely. I think we need a thunder-and-lightning approach. I think our primary back should be an explosive guy like Henderson with a power back in the mold of Hunt as his alternate. Hunt transformed our ability to convert 3rd/4th and short and put the ball in the endzone from 2-3 yards out. You gotta have that guy. But your "workhorse" in this offense needs to be a guy that can house it from anywhere IMO.


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