Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16445535)

Thanks, man. Pretty sure I watched that Athlean-X video a year ago when it was created, but didn't need it at the time... and he's probably 100% right in that it's the side lateral raise, as it's definitely a pain point.

Haven't seen DoctorJo videos before, but looks like good stuff, too.

You helped with the shin splints last year, which ended up being weak calves... started doing a lot of calf raises, which helped a ton. Thinking along those same lines now, probably just need to strengthen the area and hit on any imbalances. The Athlean-X videos touch on modifying routines, like the cheating side laterals, which really helps with my default laziness of letting it rest for weeks. :D

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 16445544)

My issue is my shoulders. Hoping it is just rotator cuff tendinitis, but things like incline curls are murder only my shoulders. Skullcrushers hurt too. I rehab them the best I can, but sleep tends to be where I get my exacerbations. Any time I accidentally sleep with my elbow above my head it is bad news.

I need to spend more time stretching. Ultimately I think it is my labrum, but not at all interested in surgery.

Things like lat pulls, shrugs, Arnold presses, upright rows are no problem for me.

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16445676)

Everything you just described leans to AC joint not rotator cuff.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16445754)

You guys probably know way more about it than I do, but youtube research has talked me out of upright rows (plus, for me, it's always felt kind of awkward)... I think Athlean-X dude has a video talking about avoiding strain/resistance with internal rotation.

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 16445717)

I don’t know. I have no AC tenderness, no pain reaching across my body, no pain laying on my side. My most painful motion is elbow flexed to 90, shoulder flexed so the arm is parallell to the ground, then internally rotating.

That’s why my guess is labrum or RC

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16445754)

You guys probably know way more about it than I do, but youtube research has talked me out of upright rows (plus, for me, it's always felt kind of awkward)... I think Athlean-X dude has a video talking about avoiding strain/resistance with internal rotation.

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16445797)

Th elbow above head causing pain is a common symptom of AC. Do you ever feel/hear any popping when moving arm around?

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 16445798)

Can you tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with upright rows that can't be accomplished more efficiently with other exercises? To me they seem rather pointless, especially if it's not something that feels right for you. Side delts? Do side raises. Front delts? Do front raises. Traps? Do shrugs.

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 16445824)

I find I don’t really need to work the anterior delt much, as you hit it with a lot of other motions (bench, overhead press)

I do my upright rows with dumbbell and my palms mostly face each other. I also don’t get my elbows above my head.

I have heard narrow grip with a barbell can be rough on the shoulders

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16445791)

Upright rows are fine as long as you don't go too high. Once the bar gets higher than nipple level you are getting into the 'danger' zone and can easily injur shoulders.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 16445798)

Can you tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with upright rows that can't be accomplished more efficiently with other exercises? To me they seem rather pointless, especially if it's not something that feels right for you. Side delts? Do side raises. Front delts? Do front raises. Traps? Do shrugs.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16445836)

Gotcha, I've heard a fee different things as far as bar/hand position or elbows not getting too high.



That's actually another reason I stopped doing them... there was a goof Nippard video about the most pointless exercises and that was one of them. And while I don't take much of what they say and immediately change my routine, between multiple pros having multiple reasons for not doing them and some shoulder awkwardness, I quit doing them.

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 16445840)

I love Jeff Nippard. Also like Ryan Humiston and Jeremy Ethier.
Athlean X is a a little click bait for me. “Everything is ruining your gains!!!!”

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 16445824)

I find I don’t really need to work the anterior delt much, as you hit it with a lot of other motions (bench, overhead press)