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Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840648)
Davis had one fantastic season and two really good ones.

But he was a product of their running scheme. It’s why you saw Denver’s rushing attack plug right along without missing a beat when they inserted the likes of Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary.
First four seasons

1117
1538
1730
2008

Scored 56 rushing TD's. that is great!!!!!!!!

His average season....1370 yards 14TD'S

Nickhead 03-13-2020 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840627)
Imagine if he had gone to the Chiefs instead with that dominant defense they had in the 60’s. He could have won multiple championships and might be remembered as the greatest of all time (or close to).

Now, you really wanna talk about overrated RB’s in the HOF? Terrell Davis (only 3 good years, product of zone blocking scheme in which backs like Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson had similar success running). Jerome Bettis (I’m big, hard to tackle and played forever so I should be in the HOF) There’s a couple RB’s who have no business being in the HOF.
OJ says he is innocent ROFL

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14840662)
First four seasons

1117
1538
1730
2008

Scored 56 rushing TD's. that is great!!!!!!!!

His average season....1370 yards 14TD'S
His first season he was 10th in the league in yards with single digit TD’s. That’s not particularly impressive, especially when you consider guys like Rondey Hampton and Harvey Williams (yes, THAT Harvey Williams) we’re doing the same thing.

So like I said, one fantastic season (the 2,000 yard season) and two really good ones.

But again, product of a system . . . . .

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840724)
His first season he was 10th in the league in yards with single digit TD’s. That’s not particularly impressive, especially when you consider guys like Rondey Hampton and Harvey Williams (yes, THAT Harvey Williams) we’re doing the same thing.

So like I said, one fantastic season (the 2,000 yard season) and two really good ones.

But again, product of a system . . . . .
This is "product of a system" really?


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TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 06:08 PM
That’s great.

Give me an hour (no, I’m not going to BTW) and I can put together a highlight reel for Harvey Williams for the best runs from his career. That’s what a highlight reel is. It shows all the highlights w/o focusing on any of the other stuff.

Davis was a great NFL RB and had an amazing 3 season run, but that’s it. 3 seasons. And again, if he was so dynamic, how was it that the Broncos rushing attack didn’t hardly miss a beat when they plugged in Gary and Anderson after he was gone?

Is it more than likely that they were HOF caliber players too or could it be that the Donkos with their zone blocking scheme and they’re cheap (borderline dirty) cut blocks made those RB’s look better than they really were?

Made a great RB look like a HOF Rb for 3 seasons and a couple JAG’s look like great NFL backs.

Let’s be real and call it what it is.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840753)
That’s great.

Give me an hour (no, I’m not going to BTW) and I can put together a highlight reel for Harvey Williams for the best runs from his career. That’s what a highlight reel is. It shows all the highlights w/o focusing on any of the other stuff.

Davis was a great NFL RB and had an amazing 3 season run, but that’s it. 3 seasons. And again, if he was so dynamic, how was it that the Broncos rushing attack didn’t hardly miss a beat when they plugged in Gary and Anderson after he was gone?

Is it more than likely that they were HOF caliber players too or could it be that the Donkos with their zone blocking scheme and they’re cheap (borderline dirty) cut blocks made those RB’s look better than they really were?

Made a great RB look like a HOF Rb for 3 seasons and a couple JAG’s look like great NFL backs.

Let’s be real and call it what it is.
You can take the careers of Harvey Williams, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary and combine what they did and it won't match Davis, he was on a totally different level and it was very obvious.

Davis a three time All Pro.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 06:42 PM
Right, again, 3 seasons.

It should take more than that to make an All Time NFL great.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840826)
Right, again, 3 seasons.

It should take more than that to make an All Time NFL great.
Check out Hall of Famer Lynn Swann


https://www.pro-football-reference.c...S/SwanLy00.htm

Check out Hall of Famer Floyd Little


https://www.pro-football-reference.c...L/LittFl00.htm

Willie Lanier 03-13-2020 07:22 PM
Gale Sayers is 100% a hall of famer

He was damn near unstoppable when he was healthy

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 14840894)
Gale Sayers is 100% a hall of famer

He was damn near unstoppable when he was healthy
He was totally amazing.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14840833)
Check out Hall of Famer Lynn Swann


https://www.pro-football-reference.c...S/SwanLy00.htm

Check out Hall of Famer Floyd Little


https://www.pro-football-reference.c...L/LittFl00.htm
Never said either of those two belong in the Hall. They don’t.

Neither does Davis. Nor does Bettis, for that matter.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840948)
Never said either of those two belong in the Hall. They don’t.

Neither does Davis. Nor does Bettis, for that matter.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bettis had 8 1000 plus seasons, scored 94...94!!!...TD;s.

Made six pro bowls, and was All Pro twice.

That is a HOF career,

scho63 03-13-2020 09:02 PM
I never saw Gale Sayers play but so many people felt he was an incredible talent at that moment in time.

I certainly don't think he sucked and my first understanding of Gale Sayers was the movie Brian's Song. That was some powerful shit right there. Transcending race, religion and politics for friendship. One of the Top Ten sport movies ever.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14841033)
I never saw Gale Sayers play but so many people felt he was an incredible talent at that moment in time.

I certainly don't think he sucked and my first understanding of Gale Sayers was the movie Brian's Song. That was some powerful shit right there. Transcending race, religion and politics for friendship. One of the Top Ten sport movies ever.
Would you watch a video of Sayers and the magic?

In my opinion....

Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Gale Sayers...by far the fastest

Willie Lanier 03-13-2020 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14840948)
Never said either of those two belong in the Hall. They don’t.

Neither does Davis. Nor does Bettis, for that matter.
You have a fairly stringent definition, but I can see your point


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