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CoMoChief 12-16-2014 09:51 AM

He'd have 10,000 if he played with decent QB's and didnt drop so many passes.

CoMoChief 12-16-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11195748)
Also Saccopoo, the Chiefs aren't even close to being the team with the worst WRs ever as a collective franchise.

That honor would go to the Bucs. Check this out:

http://www.buccaneers.com/team-and-s...receiving.html

:Lin:

There are 4 or 5 WRs on that list Id rather have as a Chief outside of TG or OT

RealSNR 12-16-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11196053)
There are 4 or 5 WRs on that list Id rather have as a Chief

Uhh, no. Not even close.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...-receiving.htm

Their very best isn't enough to top our #8 guy stats-wise.

Chief Roundup 12-16-2014 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11196059)
Uhh, no. Not even close.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...-receiving.htm

Their very best isn't enough to top our #8 guy stats-wise.

What if you use their career stats?
Where would that put Vincent Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson, Joey Galloway, Keenan McCardell?
It does seem that Tampa is where WRs go when their careers are over.

Hammock Parties 12-16-2014 10:22 AM

It's been fun watching Bowe and Charles being awesome for the last seven years.

Won't be long now and it will be over for both of them. With nothing to show for it.

:(

CoMoChief 12-16-2014 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11196059)
Uhh, no. Not even close.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...-receiving.htm

Their very best isn't enough to top our #8 guy stats-wise.

Stats can be skewed by how long a franchise keeps a player, which can be determined by things other than just production.

You're telling me that you wouldn't rather have Keyshawn Johnson, Joey Galloway, Vincent Jackson, Keenan McCardell as Chief? Other than Bowe in 2010 all of these guys were more reliable WR's for the Bucs than any WR we've had for the Chiefs in the last 25 years. I listed the guys we've had on this team in just the last approx 25-30 yrs and you know what ...other than TG, Dwayne Bowe is the best we've ever had. When you think of Stephon Paige, JJ Birden, Willie Davis, Andre Rison, Derrick Alexander, Eddie Kennison, Johnnie Morton, Lake Dawson, Snoop Minnis, Chris Chambers lol, Donnie Avery, Sammie Parker, Jon Baldwin.

I mean the more recent you get, the worse the list becomes. There hasn't been a franchise that's neglected this position more than KC whether that's through the draft or FA.

Mr. Laz 12-16-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11195451)
I am starting to think Bowe will be here next year.

sounds good, as long it's for 7/8 million per and not 12

Window Licking Whiner 12-16-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11195427)
Hearing Brodie Croyle makes me want to explode with rage!!!!

I'm gonna be honest, I miss seeing photos of brodie's wife though.

RealSNR 12-16-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11196074)
What if you use their career stats?
Where would that put Vincent Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson, Joey Galloway, Keenan McCardell?
It does seem that Tampa is where WRs go when their careers are over.

I think what you put up when you're with a team is a far more accurate measure of what you're worth as a WR to that team. In this case, those players went to Tampa at the end of their careers and put up numbers with the team good enough to rank in their top 10.

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if you're Albert Wilson or the Queen of England. If you're a good WR when you're on the team, it will show. If you're not, then welp. And if you're not there long enough to make a very big dent, then how valuable were you to that franchise?

That last question isn't rhetorical, by the way. I'm genuinely asking. What are measures that can set you apart from other players?

Rain Man 12-16-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11196136)
I think what you put up when you're with a team is a far more accurate measure of what you're worth as a WR to that team. In this case, those players went to Tampa at the end of their careers and put up numbers with the team good enough to rank in their top 10.

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if you're Albert Wilson or the Queen of England. If you're a good WR when you're on the team, it will show. If you're not, then welp. And if you're not there long enough to make a very big dent, then how valuable were you to that franchise?

That last question isn't rhetorical, by the way. I'm genuinely asking. What are measures that can set you apart from other players?

I'm big on single-season stats as opposed to career stats. I'd rather have a guy who's dominant for three seasons than a guy who's above average for eight. So maybe if you looked at "best season in a team's uniform", that could provide some input. Pro bowls as well.

It's possible that a team could string together a bunch of guys who have three or four good seasons and then let them go, and as a result none of them will have stellar career stats. It's not a likely scenario, but it's possible.

That said, I don't think the Buccaneer or the Chiefs fall into that category.

Chief Roundup 12-16-2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11196136)
I think what you put up when you're with a team is a far more accurate measure of what you're worth as a WR to that team. In this case, those players went to Tampa at the end of their careers and put up numbers with the team good enough to rank in their top 10.

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if you're Albert Wilson or the Queen of England. If you're a good WR when you're on the team, it will show. If you're not, then welp. And if you're not there long enough to make a very big dent, then how valuable were you to that franchise?

That last question isn't rhetorical, by the way. I'm genuinely asking. What are measures that can set you apart from other players?

Overall I agree with what you are saying. There are a couple of other things that play into succes. QB, OC, HC. The Bucs have been a horrible joke at those positions since Chucky stuck it to the Raiders.

jd1020 12-16-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11195375)
Would be a 1400-yard receiver in Atlanta.

He'd have a TD by now on 31 teams.

Chief Roundup 12-16-2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 11196260)
I'm big on single-season stats as opposed to career stats. I'd rather have a guy who's dominant for three seasons than a guy who's above average for eight. So maybe if you looked at "best season in a team's uniform", that could provide some input. Pro bowls as well.

It's possible that a team could string together a bunch of guys who have three or four good seasons and then let them go, and as a result none of them will have stellar career stats. It's not a likely scenario, but it's possible.

That said, I don't think the Buccaneer or the Chiefs fall into that category.

It is pretty safe to say that each of those guys I listed have had several good years in the NFL. I am just as sure that the fans would have been ecstatic if we would have signed any of those guys during the prime of their career. Those guys are/were all pretty good.

UK_Chief 12-16-2014 12:57 PM

And slowest to 40 yards. Boom boom

Jimmya 12-16-2014 01:23 PM

It does suck to have some great players come through Arrowhead and have no playoff victories to show for it. Not even ONE!


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