What player got worse under his watch? Every player got better. Every player cared about conditioning. Every player seemed driven to get better.

I don't know how people can suggest he didn't know what he was doing in terms of developing football players.

You can argue that some players got better when Haley was coach. I didn't see any evidence at all that Haley knew what he was doing when actually coaching a game. I wanted to like the guy, then he would blow a 2 minute drill, or he would fake a punt from his own 30 with Brodie Croyle. His gameday coaching was on par with Herm Edwards. Maybe worse at times.

I can't believe how many times our offense would have to call timeout or get a delay of game penalty. On just routine plays, like first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line after a punt or kickoff. How does that happen?

Zilla, there's almost no excuse for Haley's 2011 season.

He took the OC reigns again. He played his starters the entire game in the 4th preseason game. He seemingly intentionally put garbage talent packages on the field to screw with Pioli's lack of acquisitions. There was some still that GoChiefs posted a year ago that showed Haley's formation with that Urban and Pope as the receivers out wide.

He just absolutely did not fit with this organization, at the very least. At the very most, he is simply not able to handle the pressures of coaching at the highest level.

How many times did we see players line up wrong?

A ton.

Yeah, it was just awfully disorganized. Illegal formations, illegal shifts, delay of game, burning timeouts unnecessarily. Those things can ruin a drive before it even starts, and losing timeouts due to sloppy mistakes can cost you at the end of the half, or even worse...at the end of the game.

Yeah, there's truth to that. But again, he was a young coach, and I'd rather a good coach who can't manage games than a good game manager who can't coach. There are a lot more bad game managers in the league than we realize. I'll also make one excuse for Haley -- the majority of his wild-eyed chances were taken in years where we were very uncompetitive. I think he knew we weren't going to win many games with our 2009 squad unless we took stupid risks. Remember that in 2010, we didn't see a lot of those mistakes.

In terms of developing players... I think that's BS he didn't help much. We forget that Dorsey and Bowe and a whole bunch of other players were overweight and entitled. They came into camp overweight, and didn't seem to care. His demand that Branden Albert drop weight was a terrific decision. His conversion of Tamba Hali into a lighter weight 3/4 OLB... tremendous decision. Dwayne Bowe didn't begin intense training with Fitzgerald until Haley came on board. DJ went from a scatter-brained freelancer to a pro bowl LB. He wasn't afraid to take a chance on Jovan Belcher. He didn't give up on Tyson Jackson even though everyone else had. And let's not forget, he did all of this development organically. He didn't have the huge salary players a lot of coaches get. He worked primarily with bottom-of-the-barrel players.

That's the only thing I liked about Haley. He would take ****in chances.

I've always expressed that Haley was the unfortunate scapegoat for a completely dysfunctional front office. I think the dysfunctions have less to do with a coach being unfit to coach as they are a front office so arrogant that they believe they can treat a head coach in the way that they did, just because he had some differences in opinion. I still think Haley will be a good coach one day. I think Pioli will be a good GM too, but I think in terms of Haley, Pioli was by far the one who showed the most "greenness" when it came to learning a new position.

Well then Haley needed to sacrifice three years of Chiefs history to learn how to not be such a nutjob.

Again, Haley is the one in charge of the formations on the field, and who plays. And he was playing Bowe in the fourth quarter of the fourth preseason game. He was seemingly intentionally putting out ridiculous packages. And he absolutely could not coexist with another cook in the kitchen.

I still don't have a problem with how he managed the preseason last year. He thought he was doing the right thing, trying to ease the players into the reg. season. To me, it makes more sense to let the starters get more and more playing time as the preseason goes on, so that when the first game comes they can be ready to go. The whole 2 series, 1 quarter, 3 quarters, 1 quarter set seems stupid, but everyone does it so that's what we expect.

One of Haley's problem was that he tried to be a little too unconventional. The fake punt ,in the Indy game two years ago, is one that sticks out to me. Also, I have a hard time believing that someone would purposely try to **** the team just to get back to the GM.

Speaking of that, the whole Palko thing is what other coaches would've done also. They weren't playing Stanzi and you don't bench a QB after two starts no matter how bad he is when all you have behind him is a rookie, unless your boss makes you. The same people who are saying "draft a QB in the first round" are the same ones saying "why did he play Palko so long, I mean four whole games." This magical first round savior that you guys are pinning for could go a lot longer than four games before he "gets it."

I wanted Haley to stay as long as he eased up on the players and let someone else handle to OC duties, but since that didn't happen. LET'S GO RAC!!!

Go back and watch the Jets game again. Any NFL GM who saw that and still hires him as a HC deserves whatever they get.

yea, that's why the offense was worse before and after Weis left


3rd and long ... draw to McCluster
2nd and 8 ... power play up the middle to McCluster

Haley would rather lose with him running the offense then win with someone else.


child please

I don't know if Haley's attitude would have ever allowed for that. He's so egotistical about running an offense, I think there would have always been a conflict there.

The 2011 preseason was an unmitigated disaster. On no planet do you play your starters deep into the fourth quarter on the last preseason game. He was far too rigidly dogmatic.

You saw that with Palko. I don't give a flip about Stanzi being green, Palko is the worst quarterback playing in the NFL at the time. You attempt rescue your season, and move on. He started Palko over Orton, for crying out loud. For two games, I think. Which is just assinine. And he simply did it because Palko was next on the depth chart.

I was rooting for Haley for a longer time than most. Like you said, he developed talent very well. But it was pretty easy to see he completely went off the rails in 2011.