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Hootie 05-02-2010 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6731249)
McCluster better be Reggie Bush and Wes Welker all rolled up into one.
so let me get this straight...

oh **** it nevermind

doomy3 05-02-2010 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6731378)
He was 55th on Gosselin's Top 100 list.

Not sure why you think using Gosselin helps your case.

And thinking we need a slot WR more than a pass rusher or ILB is why this team has 10 wins in the last 3 years.
Where was Koa Misi on that list, since you said if the Chiefs had McCluster ahead of Misi on their board, that is a major issue...

Hootie 05-02-2010 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6731430)
Where was Koa Misi on that list, since you said if the Chiefs had McCluster ahead of Misi on their board, that is a major issue...
40...

no one is going to be thinking of McCluster as a reach in a few months

BossChief 05-02-2010 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6731291)
Hell, at this point find anyone that had him as a Top 40 prospect.

We can debate "reputable" later.
ANDY REID

Fact is, the Eagles valued the guy as a "top 40 pick" and that should hold much more weight than a draft website, even the best ones. Andy Reid has a NFL job and has flourished in the league.

You can believe the report, or not, but there is no reason he would say they were taking him if they truly weren't.

The fact that you guys made hundreds of posts leading up to the draft asking for playmakers and for the team to draft BPA and then backpedal after the draft and argue to no end that we should have "reached" for linemen and linebackers tells everyone all they need to know on if you do or dont have an agenda.

real talk

If we drafted Misi, Troup, Washington or Lee and the next pick was Philly taking DMC, you KNOW what the argument would be right now.

You guys would have your pitchforks ready and would be asking to no end why we didn't "reach" for playmakers because those aren't available later in the draft.

You know it

I know it

Everyone else knows it.



EVERYONE except you guys loved this draft, but please keep pushing that weak agenda and ignore the voices that are telling you to be objective.

doomy3 05-02-2010 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6731439)
40...

no one is going to be thinking of McCluster as a reach in a few months
He was really 40? I hadn't seen anything that had Misi that high I don't think from anyone. Of course, he had next to no college production, so I don't know why anyone would be that high on Koa Misi anyway.

BossChief 05-02-2010 06:28 PM
:popcorn:

chiefzilla1501 05-02-2010 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6731457)
ANDY REID

Fact is, the Eagles valued the guy as a "top 40 pick" and that should hold much more weight than a draft website, even the best ones. Andy Reid has a NFL job and has flourished in the league.

You can believe the report, or not, but there is no reason he would say they were taking him if they truly weren't.

The fact that you guys made hundreds of posts leading up to the draft asking for playmakers and for the team to draft BPA and then backpedal after the draft and argue to no end that we should have "reached" for linemen and linebackers tells everyone all they need to know on if you do or dont have an agenda.

real talk

If we drafted Misi, Troup, Washington or Lee and the next pick was Philly taking DMC, you KNOW what the argument would be right now.

You guys would have your pitchforks ready and would be asking to no end why we didn't "reach" for playmakers because those aren't available later in the draft.

You know it

I know it

Everyone else knows it.



EVERYONE except you guys loved this draft, but please keep pushing that weak agenda and ignore the voices that are telling you to be objective.
Exactly.

I heard Gosselin on Sirius NFL Radio with Peter King. He said he gave the Chiefs an A+ because they took everybody at perfect value. And this is a guy with probably the best sources in the biz. It doesn't matter what he rated his board at. If he says the Chiefs didn't reach, he has as good of sources as anybody to confirm that that's true.

And agreed... most of the people the Chiefs "should have" taken are not playmakers. They're guys who have the potential to play their position well enough, and most of them carry additional baggage. There are those who complain that the Chiefs took a part-time player, and yet push for Cody and Tate. Then there are those who insisted the Chiefs take a playmaker like Berry over positions of higher positional value like Okung and McClain, then suggest that in the second round we pick up solid players over playmakers. And then there are those who complain about Moeaki being too injury prone, and then push for Sergio Kindle to be picked almost two rounds higher despite having potentially chronic leg problems. What's most interesting is the way some people make completely different arguments to suit the situation.

Tribal Warfare 05-02-2010 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6731313)
I wanted Clausen and Cody in the second, but I don't mind this pick. When last season started, Defensive Coordinators maybe worried a little bit about Bowe. Nobody else on our offense required a second thought.

This year, we'll have Bowe, Charles, and McCluster. That's 3 guys who can make plays. Combine that with what should be improved play at Guard with Lilja, Center play with Wiegmann, and hopefully an improvement at LT from Albert, and we are going to be greatly improved versus opening week last season.
With Cassel as QB it won't ****ing matter it will be the same old shit because he can't get it done.

doomy3 05-02-2010 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6731534)
Exactly.

I heard Gosselin on Sirius NFL Radio with Peter King. He said he gave the Chiefs an A+ because they took everybody at perfect value. And this is a guy with probably the best sources in the biz. It doesn't matter what he rated his board at. If he says the Chiefs didn't reach, he has as good of sources as anybody to confirm that that's true.

And agreed... most of the people the Chiefs "should have" taken are not playmakers. They're guys who have the potential to play their position well enough, and most of them carry additional baggage. There are those who complain that the Chiefs took a part-time player, and yet push for Cody and Tate. Then there are those who insisted the Chiefs take a playmaker like Berry over positions of higher positional value like Okung and McClain, then suggest that in the second round we pick up solid players over playmakers. And then there are those who complain about Moeaki being too injury prone, and then push for Sergio Kindle to be picked almost two rounds higher despite having potentially chronic leg problems. What's most interesting is the way some people make completely different arguments to suit the situation.

You make some solid points in this post.

chiefzilla1501 05-02-2010 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6731551)
With Cassel as QB it won't ****ing matter it will be the same old shit because he can't get it done.
Cassel should improve significantly in this new offense, as it's more like the New England offense where you throw more short gains and try to get more YAC. And Weis is a tactician at that.

The problem is that you get the sinking feeling that Cassel will improve just enough that the Chiefs feel comfortable with him, even if he's not a franchise QB. When in fact the offense is probably covering up his weaknesses.

Tribal Warfare 05-02-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6731581)
The problem is that you get the sinking feeling that Cassel will improve just enough that the Chiefs feel comfortable with him, even if he's not a franchise QB. When in fact the offense is probably covering up his weaknesses.
As long as Pioli is around it's essentially hopeless to think that he'll give up on Cassel because of his ego. I just have blind faith that Clark will step in and say "**** this shit, with your over hyped career backup, and draft a franchise QB". Very similar to want happened after the SD game in 2008, he was so disgusted he decided to clean house.

BossChief 05-02-2010 07:38 PM
its called "talking out of both sides of your mouth"

Its like saying that we should have reached for Harvin/Maclin last year but being mad that we "reached" (even though in real life we took the player at the exact spot that was "this is your last chance at this player") this year for DMC.

But **** it, four years from now when these guys are almost all still here and playing major roles on the team, we can look back at those posts and chuckle a little.

Its all in good fun.

chiefzilla1501 05-02-2010 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6731591)
As long as Pioli is around it's essentially hopeless to think that he'll give up on Cassel because of his ego. I just have blind faith that Clark will step in and say "**** this shit, with your over hyped career backup, and draft a franchise QB". Very similar to want happened after the SD game in 2008, he was so disgusted he decided to clean house.
We'll have to see about that. I was pretty shocked we didn't take a QB and would have loved to have taken even a project like Lefevour. And frankly, I would have preferred trading up for Clausen instead of Arenas. But just like the Chiefs didn't add a Nose Tackle or Linebackers, that doesn't mean they don't think it's important. I doubt Pioli would build in a 3rd year out clause if he was deadset on Cassel as a long-term option and I haven't seen a lot of evidence in New England that suggests that the Pats will hold onto players who underperformed their contracts.

We'll see. I hope Weis adds a strong opinion. I hope Cassel improves and I hope, if he doesn't, the front office will find a plan B. But I do think this is a decision that could potentially set the franchise backward 2-3 years.

milkman 05-02-2010 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6731457)
ANDY REID

Fact is, the Eagles valued the guy as a "top 40 pick" and that should hold much more weight than a draft website, even the best ones. Andy Reid has a NFL job and has flourished in the league.

You can believe the report, or not, but there is no reason he would say they were taking him if they truly weren't.

The fact that you guys made hundreds of posts leading up to the draft asking for playmakers and for the team to draft BPA and then backpedal after the draft and argue to no end that we should have "reached" for linemen and linebackers tells everyone all they need to know on if you do or dont have an agenda.

real talk

If we drafted Misi, Troup, Washington or Lee and the next pick was Philly taking DMC, you KNOW what the argument would be right now.

You guys would have your pitchforks ready and would be asking to no end why we didn't "reach" for playmakers because those aren't available later in the draft.

You know it

I know it

Everyone else knows it.



EVERYONE except you guys loved this draft, but please keep pushing that weak agenda and ignore the voices that are telling you to be objective.
I can't speak for everyone else, but my argument has always been that McCluster will only be a part time playmaker.

If he gets in on more than 50% of the offensive snaps, then I will be fine with the selection.

But until I see it on the field, I see his selection as a luxury pick that a team with all the holes that the Chiefs have can't afford to make, and the fact that the Eagles were ready to select him right after us has no bearing.

Being as small as he is, it is also very possible that he has a rather short shelf life, and may not even be a contributor by the time this team has the rest of the pieces in place.

Again, a luxury pick for a team needing the necessities.

milkman 05-02-2010 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6731534)
Exactly.

I heard Gosselin on Sirius NFL Radio with Peter King. He said he gave the Chiefs an A+ because they took everybody at perfect value. And this is a guy with probably the best sources in the biz. It doesn't matter what he rated his board at. If he says the Chiefs didn't reach, he has as good of sources as anybody to confirm that that's true.

And agreed... most of the people the Chiefs "should have" taken are not playmakers. They're guys who have the potential to play their position well enough, and most of them carry additional baggage. There are those who complain that the Chiefs took a part-time player, and yet push for Cody and Tate. Then there are those who insisted the Chiefs take a playmaker like Berry over positions of higher positional value like Okung and McClain, then suggest that in the second round we pick up solid players over playmakers. And then there are those who complain about Moeaki being too injury prone, and then push for Sergio Kindle to be picked almost two rounds higher despite having potentially chronic leg problems. What's most interesting is the way some people make completely different arguments to suit the situation.
You get playmakers at the top of the draft.

You build the rest of the team after the first round.

If you can get a full time playmaker in the second, great, take him.

But don't eschew the core of the taem for a part time player.


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