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htismaqe 03-11-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5573157)
And if Cutler is upside comparable to Stafford, I don't want Stafford either.
THE reason I prefer Sanchez over Stafford. The ONLY reason, actually. See below.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 5573127)
And personally I'll take mental makeup over a 100 yard laser arm any day. Joe Montana was anything but a strong armed guy. Its accuracy and mental makeup that is everything in a QB.

htismaqe 03-11-2009 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5573155)
I agree. Cutler has played well. Using those stats is like saying Dan Marino sucked because he never won the superbowl. Fans like that are annoying.
We have the ability to look back in hindsight on the entirety of Marino's career. We don't have that with Cutler yet. Furthermore, Marino won an AFC Championship, even if he never won it all. Cutler has yet to get there.

Everybody bitches about not wanting a "game manager". Well, what's the difference between Cutler and the proverbial "system QB"? The great QB's elevate their game mentally. Cutler hasn't yet proven he can do that.

htismaqe 03-11-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5573141)
Cutler has shown that he can win games. He is definitely a competitor. Vanderbilt won a lot games because of him. And the broncos have too. He does need to improve his attitude, but the guy does show up to work and trains hard and competes and wins games with his arm. how high was the broncos offense rated?
Vanderbilt won 5 games while Cutler was there. Please.

Furthermore, offensive statistics don't win anything.

htismaqe 03-11-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5573076)
You are aware of Vandy's standing, athletically and academically, amongst the other SEC schools correct?

You are aware that a QB can't play defense correct?

Gonzalez played on the shittiest team in football last year; does that make him a bad TE?

You do know that Cutler is a Pro-Bowl QB correct?
Let's be fair here. The Pro-Bowl is 100% unequivocally a popularity contest and really nothing more.

TommyHawk69 03-11-2009 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5573141)
Cutler has shown that he can win games. He is definitely a competitor. Vanderbilt won a lot games because of him. And the broncos have too. He does need to improve his attitude, but the guy does show up to work and trains hard and competes and wins games with his arm. how high was the broncos offense rated?
Take off the donkey goggles for a minute and look at reality:)

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-11-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5573185)
THE reason I prefer Sanchez over Stafford. The ONLY reason, actually. See below.
Yep! That arm can get better and better with the right training and coaching, but stand-up leader, mechanics that would make a T-2000 jealous, mastery of misdirection, and the ability to inspire and push your team effectively can't...be...bought.

Viva' la Revolution!

vailpass 03-11-2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Que Card QB (Post 5573097)
It's stupid? Why because he knows McDaniels' play book and Cutler wouldn't have to learn a new system?

A patsy? Is that what a QB who knows his OC's system is? I think that's just a strange statement.
Stupid to piss off your franchise QB on a trade that didn't happen. Stupid to want a back-up QB over a Pro-Bowler. Cassell is a serviceable back up so long as he has a strong defense keeping the game close. Cassel would have to learn how to play with B-Marsh and Royal and the other WRs while Cutler is in sync with them.

Patsy=New England Patriot.

rockymtnchief 03-11-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5573198)
Let's be fair here. The Pro-Bowl is 100% unequivocally a popularity contest and really nothing more.
Very true. IMO, Cutler should've been at home watching Rivers play.

TommyHawk69 03-11-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5573193)
We have the ability to look back in hindsight on the entirety of Marino's career. We don't have that with Cutler yet. Furthermore, Marino won an AFC Championship, even if he never won it all. Cutler has yet to get there.

Everybody bitches about not wanting a "game manager". Well, what's the difference between Cutler and the proverbial "system QB"? The great QB's elevate their game mentally. Cutler hasn't yet proven he can do that.
This.

How many playoffs Marino went to and how many playoff games won? Division titles?

Cutler 0

1ChiefsDan 03-11-2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5573207)
Stupid to piss off your franchise QB on a trade that didn't happen. Stupid to want a back-up QB over a Pro-Bowler. Cassell is a serviceable back up so long as he has a strong defense keeping the game close. Cassel would have to learn how to play with B-Marsh and Royal and the other WRs while Cutler is in sync with them.

Patsy=New England Patriot.
I thought that was brilliant!ROFL

Just Passin' By 03-11-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5573207)
Stupid to piss off your franchise QB on a trade that didn't happen. Stupid to want a back-up QB over a Pro-Bowler. Cassell is a serviceable back up so long as he has a strong defense keeping the game close. Cassel would have to learn how to play with B-Marsh and Royal and the other WRs while Cutler is in sync with them.

Patsy=New England Patriot.
Cassel = 11-5 and knows the system
Cutler = 8-8 and knows how to throw a hissy fit that would make a 2 year old proud

Yes, it's clear that only Cutler can get the job done in Denver.

vailpass 03-11-2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 5573222)
I thought that was brilliant!ROFL
:) Oh I'm sure you all did.
****ing McKid. He better show something early on or Bowlen could dump him for a coach that already has hair on his balls.

In fairness McKid and Xanders have put together a nice FA season. We'll see.

In the mean time by all means enjoy the turmoil in Bronco land.(IMHO the real problem is B-Marsh's almost sure suspension)

RINGLEADER 03-11-2009 12:16 PM
Now all we need is a defense.

vailpass 03-11-2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5573228)
Cassel = 11-5 and knows the system
Cutler = 8-8 and knows how to throw a hissy fit that would make a 2 year old proud

Yes, it's clear that only Cutler can get the job done in Denver.
The Patsy system is no secret. Cutler mastered Shanny's offense which is leaps and bounds more complex than the NE "use the TE as a third WR and work for YAC instead of long downfield strikes" offense. Both QBs can master the system, why choose the one with inferior physical skills who has no rapport with the WRs?

htismaqe 03-11-2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5573231)
In the mean time by all means enjoy the turmoil in Bronco land.(IMHO the real problem is B-Marsh's almost sure suspension)
Yeah, I'm surprised it hasn't been talked about more.


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