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Fat Elvis 01-16-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5398791)
Agree, 100%

Speaking of Herm, here's the coup de grāce as far as I'm concerned. Herm can't come close to this:

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The team was smartly built, with one eye on the cap and the other on the field. They were good at figuring out how much better one player was than another, and seeing if the price matched the production. Jonathan Kraft is amazed at their ability to do that.

"Let's say there's a player who has a 100 rating, with really no upside beyond that. He's a solid 100, he'll be here a few years, he's making $4M. They can see another player who's a 75, making $500K, and has upside. They know they can put that kid in a system where the deficiencies between a 75 and 100 can be protected."

"They're never going to get into salary cap hell chasing that last elusive guy, or believing that one person makes your team. They are completely focused on team."
Sounds like there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth on the Planet as marquee FAs get passed by Pioli. I expect a few Hugh Douglas meltdowns until this franchise gets turned around.

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 5398814)
Sounds like there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth on the Planet as marquee FAs get passed by Pioli. I expect a few Hugh Douglas meltdowns until this franchise gets turned around.

Yep.

That's what I've been trying to say, while everyone else is focused on Suggs, Peppers, etc.

Even Clark said in his interviews this week that they'd be more active in FA, but not necessarily Tier 1 FA's, more like Tier 2/3 FA's.

Pioli made a comment in his presser too, something about signing 20 FA's one offseason, but only giving out $2.5M in signing bonuses, combined.

Ebolapox 01-17-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 5398814)
Sounds like there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth on the Planet as marquee FAs get passed by Pioli. I expect a few Hugh Douglas meltdowns until this franchise gets turned around.

screw it. if it gets us a super bowl, they could run around in nun outfits playing with legos as far as I'm concerned.

Amnorix 01-17-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5398819)
Yep.

That's what I've been trying to say, while everyone else is focused on Suggs, Peppers, etc.

Even Clark said in his interviews this week that they'd be more active in FA, but not necessarily Tier 1 FA's, more like Tier 2/3 FA's.

Pioli made a comment in his presser too, something about signing 20 FA's one offseason, but only giving out $2.5M in signing bonuses, combined.

Fans, by their nature, love the big names, and remain stubborn and committed to their preconceptions. Countless Patriots fans still don't get the BB/SP approach at all. Get used to beating your head against the wall endlessly as fans drool over the biggest names in free agency, even if they are over the hill and almost certain to be overpaid by some other team.

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5398826)
Fans, by their nature, love the big names, and remain stubborn and committed to their preconceptions. Countless Patriots fans still don't get the BB/SP approach at all. Get used to beating your head against the wall endlessly as fans drool over the biggest names in free agency, even if they are over the hill and almost certain to be overpaid by some other team.

Doesn't bother me a bit.

I think most Tier 1 FA's are a terrible investment.

DeezNutz 01-17-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5398819)
Pioli made a comment in his presser too, something about signing 20 FA's one offseason, but only giving out $2.5M in signing bonuses, combined.

I expect something similar this off-season, and, frankly, in some ways this would be the ultimate slap in the face to those that claim that Herm is a shrewd evaluator of talent.

If an organization is so depleted that the new GM has to start throwing numbers at the situation and hoping to hit on a couple with upside, that's ****ing embarrassing.

Ebolapox 01-17-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5398827)
Doesn't bother me a bit.

I think most Tier 1 FA's are a terrible investment.

don't get me wrong. I want us to sign suggs. but some team will throw the world at him, and it won't really be worth it. not to MENTION that I read today that his shoulder injury was so bad that the doctors said 'they hadn't seen one that bad ever.' (paraphrasing).

feels like kendrell bell v. 2.0.

DeezNutz 01-17-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5398826)
Fans, by their nature, love the big names, and remain stubborn and committed to their preconceptions.

Exactly. Euphemism for:

Most fans don't know a ****ing thing.

Fish 01-17-2009 12:11 AM

I'd love to be a fly in the room when Pioli is interviewing Krumrie..... I can imagine something along these lines...

Pioli: So Tim, tell me about your coaching methods.

Krumrie: WELL I LIKE TO GET PHYSICAL WITH THE PLAYERS! I HAVE THIS GRAPPLE TEST SEE WHERE I-

Pioli(Interupting): Yes, actually I've seen that. But how do you actually coach the players? What are your methods? How do you encourage improvement? What's the first thing you teach the rookie linemen?

Krumrie: ?

Pioli: OK, let's try a different method here. Tell me what you said to Glenn Dorsey when he first got to camp. How did you handle his conversion from college to the NFL? I know that can be tough on defensive linemen.

Krumrie: HE GRAPPLED GOOD!! STRONG KID!

Pioli: I think we're through here.

Krumrie: YOU WANNA WRESTLE?

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5398829)
I expect something similar this off-season, and, frankly, in some ways this would be the ultimate slap in the face to those that claim that Herm is a shrewd evaluator of talent.

If an organization is so depleted that the new GM has to start throwing numbers at the situation and hoping to hit on a couple with upside, that's ****ing embarrassing.

That's the thing.

I don't think Pioli "hopes to hit" on anyone.

He has a systematic approach that almost ensures "hits." If they don't fit the system, they're ignored.

I think his success rate might be down the first year or so, until it's established what the "Chiefs Way" is, but I'm with Amnorix on this one.

People here are going to be asking, "who the ****," and the guy becomes a solid starter for us.

The guy is like David ****ing Copperfield, and no one else in the league can seem to figure out how he's doing the trick.

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5398830)
don't get me wrong. I want us to sign suggs. but some team will throw the world at him, and it won't really be worth it. not to MENTION that I read today that his shoulder injury was so bad that the doctors said 'they hadn't seen one that bad ever.' (paraphrasing).

feels like kendrell bell v. 2.0.

Yep.

I mentioned Bell the other day.

There are too may teams like Washington that will throw money at guys that makes it financially irresponsible to get in a bidding war with.

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 5398839)
Pioli(Interupting): Yes, actually I've seen that. But how do you actually coach the players? What are your methods? How do you encourage improvement? What's the first thing you teach the rookie linemen?

Krumrie: ?

ROFL

Ultra Peanut 01-17-2009 12:15 AM

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DeezNutz 01-17-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5398845)
That's the thing.

I don't think Pioli "hopes to hit" on anyone.

He has a systematic approach that almost ensures "hits." If they don't fit the system, they're ignored.

I think his success rate might be down the first year or so, until it's established what the "Chiefs Way" is, but I'm with Amnorix on this one.

People here are going to be asking, "who the ****," and the guy becomes a solid starter for us.

The guy is like David ****ing Copperfield, and no one else in the league can seem to figure out how he's doing the trick.

When he made the 20 player reference, what year was he alluding to? I assumed that most of these players were high-upside guys who ultimately became camp fodder. No way these 20 made the final 53, right? No way...

But as you just stated, some did and went on to become very solid players. The difference obviously being that Pioli is able to bring in more and bigger hits than the average bear because he is committed and meticulous when it comes to his overall plan.

I took his comment as a veiled reference to the imminent explosion at Arrowhead that was going to result in the shit canning of many a Gunther/Herm/Carl acquisition.

OnTheWarpath15 01-17-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5398859)
When he made the 20 player reference, what year was he alluding to? I assumed that most of these players were high-upside guys who ultimately became camp fodder. No way these 20 made the final 53, right? No way...

But as you just stated, some did and went on to become very solid players. The difference obviously being that Pioli is able to bring in more and bigger hits than the average bear because he is committed and meticulous when it comes to his overall plan.

IIRC, 2001.


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