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Pfft If the defense could win the AFCCG for Allen. He would fumble the Lamar Hunt Trophy off the stage. On to a third stringer's head & they would forfeit the Super Bowl. To have candle light service outside the injured players hotel room
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Hell, Peyton was more talented than Brady, but Brady is recognized as greater due to his success, (partially because of all those years in Indy where Peyton had much lesser Defenses) At the end of the day, a substantial majority of people won't care about the flags, the tuck rule, or anything. Hell, Brady made a joke in a commercial about the tuck rule calling it actually a fumble a year or two ago, and people laughed it off. The barometer of success is defined by two things to the public. The eye test, and the resume'. The flags and other nuances will be lost to time; fairly or unfairly. Regardless, this won't matter because Mahomes will be almost universally recognized as the GOAT by the end of his career. |
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Josh Allen is really good and he has improved a lot since he came into the league. Personally, I'm thankful for Josh Allen because he's keeping Patrick on his toes. Patrick knows that if he doesn't work really hard to maintain his spot at the top of the pyramid, Allen will be there to move up. Josh Allen is exactly the kind of guy that we need out there to push Patrick and the Bills are exactly the kind of team we need out there to push the Chiefs.
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If Flacco can win one during Brady's reign. Allen has a chance away from Buffalo & at the very least free from McStupidface. The Ravens' history is not the Bill's
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It is mildly amusing how we seamlessly transition from laughing at Bills fans for saying Mahomes isn't as athletic and how he's had a lot of help from coaching, Kelce, Tyreek, a top defense last season; while ignoring his huge football brain and leadership and so forth..., to bashing Brady because he benefited from defense, coaching, etc; and didn't do things Mahomes could but was very smart, dedicated, etc.
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Because Mahomes has done more with less (for the time period in which he's had the opportunity to do such) I don't think he has to match Brady in terms of rings to be considered the GOAT. I think if he gets a 4th ring while maintaining his statistical output consistently, the real convo begins. This was more compiled because too many people are ring counters and that's all (which none of those people say Bill Russell is the best NBA player ever). It's also why I gave Manning and Brees credit for winning with worse Defenses. Because it does mean something. It doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something. Originally I wrote it out to focus on Allen and Lamar's defenses in contrast to Mahomes, I added Brady when it became apparent that Mahomes is no longer competing against his contemporaries, he's competing against legends of the game. EDIT: I should clarify. I think Brady is the GOAT QB, I personally am more inclined to see Jerry Rice as the GOAT of football in general when you compare him to the other legends and top players ever of his position. I think Mahomes will end his career as the GOAT Though, so this post will be outdated soon enough. I also think there is a difference between the "Greatest of All Time" and "The Best of All Time". Greatness implies accomplishment. Best implies talent and ability (In my opinion) |
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I don't personally detract anything from Brady for being coached by Belichick. I think Belichick benefited from that relationship way more than Brady did. Similar to how I view Reid/Mahomes. He was lucky to have elite and creative defenses almost every year though. |
With the convos happening, I thought this would be a nice addition to this convo. Another one from Barry's collection. ROFLROFL
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Josh Allen usually chokes in the playoffs.
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Josh Allen has a bulimia problem. Mahomes embraces body positivity and loves his Coors Light. One guy has three Super Bowls, the other guy has a participation ribbon from a conference championship.
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I would be nervous if my #1 WR was Chase Claypool ROFL
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Do we agree on Josh Allen? He really does look like this generations Brett Favre
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A pal & colleague called an anonymous NFL exec an “idiot” for stating an opinion on Josh Allen (that I think is correct), and then responded by stating his own opinion, which is belied by the actual historical record. <br> <a href="https://t.co/8v9jQii5ZP">pic.twitter.com/8v9jQii5ZP</a></p>— nick wright (@getnickwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1813714813530566971?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Josh Allen is Elway in a much tougher conference and none of the sb appearances
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Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts.
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Mahomes and Allen aren't remotely comparable when it comes to stupid costly turnovers (it's not just INTs). Now that doesn't mean Allen isn't a great QB, but it's a legitimate knock. |
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Well notice I didn’t mention fumbles. Josh Allen is more careless than Mahomes with the football overall, but he also scores more TDs than Mahomes. They’re both the motor that moves their offense. People can talk about turnovers from these dudes all day long. All I see is a couple dudes trying to make some shit shake. Allen knows when to dial that shit back, just like Mahomes. He’s got a 21:4 TD:INT ratio in the playoffs with 6 additional rushing TDs. Clearly not a dipshit turnover machine like Favre. |
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Take away the turnovers and Allen is super elite!!!! The ****? No you can't just do that.
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Ok, to be clear, is THIS the year that the Bills take the AFC for real???
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And TDs win them. Who is scoring more TDs than Allen these days? Dude’s averaged like 40-45 TDs per season for the last few years. Quote:
Who said that? He’s elite even with the turnovers. Last year Mahomes had 27 TDs and 17 turnovers. Josh Allen had 44 TDs and 22 turnovers. |
"Allen knows when to dial that shit back, just like Mahomes."
Laughs in watching Allen yeet the ball two times into the end zone on 2nd and 3rd down when a 1st down is far more beneficial to the team before watching Bass shank a kick wide right to lose the game. |
Allen is good but too erratic to be on the same level with Mahomes
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Allen was incredible in the 13 second postseason. 9 throwing TDs in 2 games, I believe the tally was. Unfortunately that would put his cumulative tally for the other 8 games at a 12:4 TD to INT ratio. That's, uh, not very good for how supposedly elite he is.
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Just for comparisons sake, Mahomes has a ratio of 41:8 over his 18 playoff games.
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I think it says a lot that Joe Brady initiated a run first offense last year and it made their offense much better than Josh passing.
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I wonder when Nick will stop just automatically giving second best QB to Burrow. |
Buffalo needs to hire Daboll back ASAP once the Giants get rid of him. The only time Allen truly rivaled Mahomes was under him.
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Regarding Allen’s playoff numbers as it compares to Mahomes specifically, because that’s what Bills fans do when they claim he’s as good (or better lol) than Mahomes in the playoffs, is that his stats also come with a bit of salt. 5 of his 10 playoff games have been in the wildcard round.
His only rating above 90 in the divisional round was the 13 second game. The rest are below it. Whereas all but one of his wildcard games are 90 or above, most being well above. He’s better than Burrow in all his rounds but he’s not even close to Mahomes to despite Bills fan narratives he only gets let down by his defense and he’s been great every time. |
I think Allen gets dinged by having McDermott as a HC.
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But McDermott gets the most out of that defense, and that absolutely helps. |
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I'm glad he's their HC, because I think he's really just a great DC, but he certainly has helped a ton on that side of the ball as their HC. |
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He seems like the Alex Smith of coaching. Solid, wins regular season games and is consistently good. Just not much more than that. |
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Eh, It's not like Allen is constantly being let down by the defense.
10, 19, 24, 24, and 36 are the points the Bills offense has scored in those losses. 2 middling games, 2 mediocre games, and one game they probably should've won. All of those games except the 36 points game the offense performed below their average for the year |
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Considering the history of QBs with Allen's seasons in the league. The history of the team he plays for. Getting any confirmation either way of his effectiveness. Is like deciding if that cloud in the sky looks more like a nursing home or Alliance Stadium
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Thankfully Chris Jones was able to walk the LT back into Allen’s lap, clipped his leg and prevented an accurate throw to a wide open WR. 1st down on that last series was a Cook run for 1 yard and 3rd down was a throwaway, but it was 3rd and long in the 4th quarter. That’s 100% the exact sort of thing Mahomes would do to try to WIN the game, not just tie it. They were already at the 26 yard line. You should be able to trust your kicker to nail that from that distance. Quote:
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Turnovers can suck a dick. They’re important, but at some point, everyone knows you’ve gotta let your nuts hang. **** all that, Alex Smith “win the turnover battle, win the game” or Aaron Rodgers protecting his TD:INT ratio by refusing to throw into tight windows and eating sacks when it counts bullshit.
A TD is guaranteed to give you 6 points. On average it’s going to give you like 6.7ish points if I had to guess. What’s a turnover result in? It varies. Could be no points. Might be 3. |
It’s honestly weird to see Chiefs fans of all people riding Josh Allen. Every year, without fail, his best receiver in Diggs no shows. And every year, he’s the only QB a who consistently dogs us. 3 TDs against us last postseason, 4 TDs in the 13 seconds game.
Hell, last year he would have thrown the go ahead TD with about 2 minutes left if not for a superhuman effort from Chris Jones. And wasn’t last year the game he threw that bomb that Diggs dropped? Would have been like an 80 yard TD and buddy dropped it. I said Allen knows how to dial his shit back and the numbers prove that. His career INT % in the regular season is 2.5% vs 1.1% in the playoffs. That’s a significant difference. |
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The whole narrative around the second down throw with Jones is hilarious to me. All he has to do is slightly move one direction and the throw isn’t impacted at all. But regarding dialing it back, earlier in that possession he made three consecutive terrible plays with forcing the ball or doing too much, with two of those of would have likely or come close to ending the game but he got bailed out. On first down he threw a hospital ball to Diggs who was fortunate to not catch it. On second down he threw a perfect pick 6 to Sneed but McDuffie had a “great” pass break up on that one. Then on third down he ran it immediately after dropping back to pass and fumbled the ball which at minimum should have been a Chiefs recovery and was close to a fumble return for a TD. Also there is ZERO chance Mahomes tries the throw Allen did when Jones slightly nudged him. We know this because in the final OT drive Mahomes really wanted to go to the play they drew up for Kelce 15 yards downfield, where he even pumped it and changed his mind to not risk it unnecessarily, only to come back to the wide open check down to Pacheco. He took the easy open play even though it isn’t what he wanted. He kept his mental composure in a high pressure situation, which to this point is one of Allen’s biggest weaknesses. |
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After Watching Mahomes for years, you the guy looks 2nd rate. Sorry you have to hear that about your "2nd favorite team" Mav...err Virus
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Josh Allen shit his pants AT HOME against his bitter rival Chiefs. Dude fumble sixed the game away as well but the Chiefs wouldn't take the gift. Hardman fumbled inside the 1 to boot and he STILL couldn't get it done. IF HE DOESN'T PLAY HERO BALL on the final series, they could have won in regulation instead of putting it on Bass.
I'm sorry that the truth hurts but just like your battles with staylor...against Mahomes in the playoffs he comes up short! |
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I love to trash Burrow too...Problem?
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You know what would make Josh Allen better? A WR who can track the deep ball really well, catch the ball and have threatening speed to open up force defenses to watch him deep and open up the middle of the field for guys like Dalton Kincaid.
Maybe a guy like, say…Xavier Worthy? |
Claypool, Shitkur, poor man's Samuel, Coleman
Oof. That's a bottom 5 WR group easily worse than KC last year and they don't have a Kelce to make up for it |
What does riding him even mean? Do you mean deriding him? I always thought riding someone meant you were giving them too much praise.
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The LOS shit is dumb bc it leads to coaches like Sean Payton thinking Bo ****ing Nix is as good or better than Allen bc “he’s wicked smahhht!” and will be Peyton Manning at the LOS! In fact, I’d bet money that Sean Payton was this guy and thinks Bo Nix is better than Josh Allen today |
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You need to watch this video for those three plays. That one you linked is leaving out a ton. The first down play Diggs settles to a spot but Allen kept leading him. If Diggs kept going where the ball is thrown he gets blown up. On second down Diggs doesn’t even come close to touching the ball because it was a terrible and forced throw. Again this video confirms it. McDuffie gets one hand on it preventing an easy INT for Snead. Starts at 1:40 https://youtu.be/I6UzerC7LC8?si=i_pCP-zgAqvv699e On the later second down play Diggs may or may not get a first but he’s wide open for good yardage. The fact Allen didn’t throw it there but instead forced it to the end zone, while earlier forcing it to Diggs, proves he’s not out there thinking or reading on this last drive at all. Nearly every pass was just a force to someone without finding the best place to go. Regarding the Mahomes play in the Super Bowl not even remotely comparable in situation or even in execution. Mahomes threw as safe a pass as you can. There’s no way you actually believe those are similar situations or that QB handled them similarly at all. The one I specifically referenced where Mahomes pulls it back for the easy smart yards is almost an exact mirror situation of Allen passing on Diggs for the force to the end zone. |
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I see from this angle that Diggs didn’t get a handle on the 2nd down ball so good catch there. Not a great read or throw in that situation. Not sure where a 3 yard out against zone coverage was supposed to go. I’m a little confused as to what your issue with the 2nd down missed TD is, if I’m being honest. That was a TD. Dude was wide open in the end zone and Allen went for the dagger. That is definitely some shit Mahomes would do. Romo was jizzing about Diggs being wide open underneath but he was running like a 4 yard drag. He had Drue Tranquil shadowing him across the field and he was running into another defender who was covering an out route on that side of the field. On 2nd and 9, that play was not likely to convert for a 1st down. I’m not sure which play you’re referring to in the Super Bowl. You’ll have to link it. Regardless, I’m having trouble figuring out how it relates. The missed TD throw on 2nd down was NOT a risky play. |
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The play where Mahomes pumps and pulls it back is here at 30:40. Somewhere someone posted the all-22 showing they had something called for Kelce that looked a little iffy. There was a window but it wasn’t worth the risk so be checked it down. You know he would have loved a big chunk play to Kelce but he didn’t just go with it without evaluating the situation. https://youtu.be/iOwSSXmKJM8?si=r2pf3PDeWD38vEV8 |
'Risky' isn't the term I'd use for that throw on 2nd down. It was an outright wrong decision OR playcall given the context the game was in. With a touchdown you're leaving the Chiefs nearly two full minutes of game time and 4 downs against a defense that has prevented them from scoring on two drives all game (and one of those was a complete gift courtesy of Hardman).
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I remember that play you linked, but I didn’t see what happened downfield. Romo seemed certain it had a good chance of being INT and so did Mahomes. That’s enough for me. I don’t see those plays as similar at all, though. That missed TD in the Bills game wasn’t risky at all. The coverage was beaten. The WR was NFL open. |
I’m also shocked Chiefs fans are arguing that going for the TD in that situation wasn’t the right move. Like we didn’t just watch Alex Smith pass up on these types of plays for six years.
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Why would you be shocked? The Bills were pretty clearly operating that drive like they intended it to be the last of the game once Diggs dropped the deep ball on the first play. 16 plays and almost half a quarter worth of game time. Given the state of their defense and their almost complete inability to stop anything the Chiefs offense tried, that was the correct move.
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