The state of Missouri is much more SEC as a whole than the Big 10. KC and STL might be Big 10 culture, but that's about it.

Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

That makes sense, I hadn't considered it from the perspective of the state. I was thinking of the educational institution and it's athletic programs.
They seem more B1G to me and I'll admit I'd have liked to have seen MU join us.

Slavers unite? :D

I doubt mizzou regrets moving to the SEC. Look at arkansas, they sure did build that program up, mizzou will do the same thing.

If mizzou is an arkansas in several years, i think that would be considered successful.

I have to disagree just a bit....Sure in areas around Springfield and such I would agree, but the central and northern parts of the state are more of a BIG XII and B1G culture.

I think it's a smart move for MU and one that they will not regret.

You assume football is the only thing MU and it's alumni, student body and supporters care about. Which is the SEC mindset.
I'm not saying MU will regret it, just pointing out a potential difference in philosophies.

*I'm in now way equipped to say what the MU mindset is, I'm just an outside observer*

Right, but the reality is that conferences are based on athletics, and primarily for football. Mizzou fans don't have to act or speak like Alabama fans to share a conference with them. Mizzou's academics aren't going to take a hit by going to the SEC, and Alabama's are not going to improve because Mizzou is now in the conference.

Great arguments could be made for B1G or SEC, and Mizzou is a good fit for either. SEC has an opening and B1G doesn't though so it is an easy decision.

Vandy, A&M, and Florida are all AAU schools.

How does Mizzou not fit in the SEC as an educational institution?

US News 2011 University Rankings
Vanderbilt 17
Florida 58
Texas A&M 58
Georgia 62
Alabama 75
Auburn 82
Missouri 90
Tennessee 101
South Carolina 111
Kentucky 124
Louisiana State 128
Arkansas 132
Mississippi 143
Mississippi State 157

Considering that its been half a century since a team left the SEC despite the fact that there is zero legal obligation to stay, I'll take the over. In the SEC, the walls you see are the gates around the neighborhood. In the Big 12-2-2, those are prison walls.

The only clown I know is one that claims Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Cardinals.

I can't think of a bigger shame.

I just think after a few mediocre football seasons where they are finishing 7th or 8th place in the conference you are going to start here rumblings among the fans. The school itself may be better off financially, but I'm predicting a major 180 turn amongst the fans that want to make the move now. I think they would rather win on Fox Sports then lose on CBS.

Yeah, somebody from Central Missouri rooting for the same teams he's rooted for all his life? Check the Cardinals thread - there are lots of us. You've tried this before and failed miserably, you ****ing imbecile. Stick to something you do well - like sucking Longhorn cock.

You really do put a lot of effort into reaching extremely high levels of reerunation.

I suppose that deserves some recognition.

The Wicked 21 will never die.

I like Pat Jones a lot - but he's just a senile ol' ball coach from Stillwater.

WTF does Pat Jones know about the SEC and Mizzou.

Sorry, but I listen to the SportsAnimal all the time when I'm in Oklahoma, they have stations in Tulsa and OKC so they cover most of the state. They also don't really know anything...ever. They were parroting the hell out of KK last year during the MU to the B1G fiasco.

As near as I can tell, they have zero sources outside of OU and OSU.

Thank you Pants.

I thought the posting of the Texas banners would reach above the level of a 9 year old, but I guess not.

Well, not really, but if I did, you'd be a role model.

The CBS station in Dallas is reporting that Mizzou to the SEC is a done deal.

****ing Boomers...

Jesus you guys suck ass.

I'm not sure what I've done or said to wrong with you but must have been bad with your constant personal posts against me lately.

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My sources say Ball State n negotiations 2 join the Big 12 if Mizzou leaves 4 SEC. Dave Letterman committed 2 launching Cardinal TV Network

hehe,

I like this post

Kansas is the doormat of the BIG 12-2-2, but I don't hear them clamoring to get into the MIAA.

Those are probably Pat's 'SEC sources' then.

I'm not kidding, he's never said a word down there that makes me think "SEC Insider".

OU's not going to end up a wallflower........unless Bevo says "bitch get back in line."

Do all old coaches have twitter handles now?

I wish Norm would start one.

Yup, cause claiming the teams of a state that have been there since 1963 and 1882 is shameful and bandwagonish. What did you call it earlier? Opportunistic?

For me, I ws born a fan of both those teams, although I'm not really sure what your bringing it up here has to do with the thread other than trolling. I vote for being fans of these teams as making perfect sense and is quite the opposite of shameful.

Might as well. They can start a rivalry with Tulane.

I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

That is going to depend entirely on the Big 12's stability and their next tier 1 contract.

If the Big 12 eventually falls apart, then I don't care how far their football program gets buried, leaving for the SEC is a smart move.

If the Big 12 cuts a very good tier 1 deal that makes their per-school payout competitive with the other major conferences and if they become stable for the long-term forseeable future, then leaving may become a tragic mistake, but we're talking 5-6 years out before anyone can even begin to conclude that.

It is a very tough decision that could have dramatic consequences if they make the wrong call, but there's no good way for them to predict what the "wrong call" is.

I'd think the correct move is to just stay with the Big 12, keep your ancient rivalries and your Texas recruiting pipeline intact, and rely on the probability that you'll be the first one thrown a lifeline if realignment apocalypse happens. The SEC is a sure thing now, but the only way MU gets left out years from now is if the PAC 12 goes to 16, the SEC stays at 14 forever, and the B1G stays at 12 forever. Possible, but very unlikely.

ROFL, I love this. Where would we be without stereotypes to make the world such a funny place? You need to work a gun rack and confederate flag in there somewhere.

I saw Nebraska do something similar :)

I'll remember that when the Louisville-BYU score scrolls past the screen while I'm watching us play between the hedges.

I agree.

Building up the Big 12 back up and playing in a conference title game every other year > buried in obscurity in the SEC

Interesting to see how OU fans appear so committed to the conference after the PAC used them to try to get UT, and when UT balked they said "eh, it's not you it's me."

Read the posts man.

I didn't bring it up.

I go to Yankee games because I love baseball.

Frazod seems to think that makes me a Yankee fan. I don't get why he thinks that.

What do you base this on?

What inherent advantage does Arkansas have over Mizzou? None - absolutely none. There's no history, no geography, no population base - NOTHING that says that Arkansas should be more successful than MU.

Yet Arkansas is out there doing a hell of a job, getting good recruits and excelling. What keeps Mizzou from doing that? Absolutely nothing - but you damn haughty OU fans just want to keep seeing everyone but OU and UT as the little sisters of the poor - fine, whatever.

And do you think that Pinkel brought a lucky rabbits foot with him when he came to the XII from freaking Toledo and THAT'S why he can recruit Texas? No - Pinkel made damn strong inroads into Texas because he's a very very good recruiter. He'll make those same inroads into Louisiana, Florida, etc...

And again - Mizzou football has had great fan support for decades, even when we were truly shit. It will continue to have excellent fan support.

What's more likely than us whining about the SEC is us breathing a sigh of relief after OU and UT decides to finally get the hell out of dodge and the whole XII collapses in on itself.

I used to think this way but if they aren't gonna stand strong with their conference brethren then they deserve their fate.

The sad thing is for the MU fans that want to stay with the rest of us.

I don't know what to say to them

Missouri has a higher football ceiling then Kansas, IF they do not devastate their Texas recruiting pipeline. Mizzou's population is much larger than Kansas, and undiluted by a 2nd school. Missouri is not big enough alone to be successful, but combine Missouri with punching above their weight in Texas recruiting, then combine that with the Big 12 north, and you've got a decent chance at a national championship at least every decade.

In the SEC, Mizzou becomes Arkansas or Vanderbilt, which is still better than potentially being left out of the BCS conferences, but far lower than the Big 12 north, if long-term stability were assured. (which might be why Mizzou was demanding a 13-year commitment)

Right, because the PAC 10 would never want OU :facepalm:

Personally I've always wanted the Big 12 to stay together and find a way to make it work.

God love ya, man.

I'm not sure what I'd do if you ever chose to not mindlessly parrot the company line.

"Proud Members of the Big 12!"

You really exposed yourself when you started touting how glad you were to have Bernadette Gray-Little running the show during all this; as though there was a name that could've been in there who you wouldn't have blindly supported.

You really are KnowMo with a chickenhawk hat on.

Uh...they didn't - remember?

Boren made it clear that OU would have taken off to the PAC if the invite was there. It wasn't, so he stayed. And the reason it wasn't was because UT wasn't going to come without major concessions that nobody in the PAC would make.

Without UT, OU just wasn't all that interesting to the PAC. Though at least it does appear that you can join KU fans screaming about the anchor schools holding you back.

LMAO

Were you under a rock for the last month? OU packed their bags to leave and the PAC said no to you. What part of that don't you understand?

My school splits a state with another BCS school that has half the population of yours.

And still has a larger endowment...

The Big12 has served my school just fine.

Sorry it hasn't worked out as well for you.

PAC said Yes to Colorado and Utah, and No to OU.

LMAO

It doesn't get much worse than that.

You realize in the past 10 years Arkansas has been to 2 SEC Championship games and the Sugar Bowl?

Whatever, not wanting to keep on an off subject issue in a thread that is already this jam packed.

I for one as an MU fan am in favor of going to the SEC. I see the challenges in football opponents as raising the bar higher and having to work to meet the new competive levels, just like playing the south teams more consistently would have in the B12. Hopefully losing on some of the recruiting clout in TX won't outweigh the additional benefits of being in the SEC and the new inroads in all these new states. I think the channels in TX aren't going to dissolve instantly, but could weaken over time as HS coaches and other types of relationships with recruiters end naturally.

I like MU taking their future the directions of their choosing instead of hanging on tight and hoping for the best.

Care to explain what the endowment has to do with the Big 12-2-2?

What are you talking about? I said MU would probably be about 7th or 8th in the conference most years. Arkansas is about the 7th best program in the conference so I'm giving you that you can be Arkanas. What I won't give you is LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and probably South Carolina. MU can beat a good team in a given year ,but I just don't see them as even being more then the 7th-8th best football program in the conference. Will they have some years they might creep up to a 4th or 5th place finish? Possibly, but they possibly could have some years where they drop to 9th or 10th as well.

Arkansas has a much closer proximity to the deep south and Texas. They get an OK number of recruits and still can't win. Mizzou gets their Texas recruits because they are the best Big 12 option after UT/OU and they play against 4 Texas teams. Texas kids who want to play against Texas A&M or for the SEC will have Mizzou pretty far down their list. Just about every major SEC team from Bama to Miss to Auburn to LSU would have to say no before they settle for Columbia.

Leaving for the SEC is going to crush Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Don't confuse him with facts.

So, what you're saying is that MU can be a current top-10 team while in, by far, the best college football conference?

No shit.

Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.

Sorry, but if you spends thousands of dollars on season tickets for baseball, or any other sport for that manner, just about anyone with common sense would classify you as a fan of that team. Either that or incredibly stupid for lighting that much money on fire.

You just don't want to admit you are a Yankees fan. Which is funny, because as hated as the Yankees are, they have a history that their fans certainly can be proud of.

Still can't win? Do you even follow football?

Arkansas was in the Sugar Bowl just last year. They are a top 10 team right now. Petrino is one of the highest paid coaches in the country because Arky is a big time program.

Saying Mizzou could become Arky as if it is some type of insult shows how clueless you truly are about all of this.

Yes, it's very tough winning conference titles and playing for national titles all the time. Nice trolling attempt though.

Thats just the money.

Got some nice trophies along the way too.

I think it was Dak earlier in the thread pointed out that a higher percentage of SEC teams have been to the title conference game than Big 12 teams. The way I see it, the top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the BIG 12, but mid-level teams in the SEC are tougher by a fair amount. I think Mizzou can adjust and compete with the mid grade teams, and maybe occasionally take out one of the big dogs. I don't see Tiger football being in the bottom of the SEC.

MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.

After 3 or 4 games, yes I think they can in a given year. But the more that I look at the more MU looks like the 9th best program in the conference overall in the SEC.

What? Arkansas won like 13 conference championships before joining the SEC, they've won 0 since.

I had season tickets when it was at the old stadium. And that was only for two years and it was shared with a few other guys.

The new stadium is a joke and I've only been like three times.

Didn't go once this year.

Citi I went to about 4 times this year. It's practically free.

Just like the old Yankee Stadium was.

Considering Florida, Bama, and LSU are a combined 10-3 in BCS bowls while OU, UT, and Nebraska are a combined 7-7.. I"m going to go with the top of the SEC being more than a little better than the top of the Big XII. :D

Tough? You have a great football program, maybe the best ever. And even with that, the PAC still wouldn't take you. That has to hurt.

Do you think MU fans will be more happy in the SEC or in the days where they were playing in Big 12 title games and beating Nebraska? I know that MAY not be an option now.

Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

So the 7th to 9th best teams in the SEC can finish a season top-12 nationally?

Much closer? It's still just Arkansas; it's not going to kill Mizzou based on geography.

And yeah, an SEC move will hurt Mizzou's TX recruiting, but it will help it in other parts of the south. Was Mizzou the best option in the XII outside of TX before Pinkel came? Of course not, it was right alongside KU and ISU - remember? Pinkel made Mizzou an attractive destination while he was building that pipeline.

There's no reason he can't build another one.

You're good at your job or you aren't. Gary Pinkel is very very good at his job and he'll do just fine getting the programs recruiting bases back up to speed in the SEC. Especially if the XII implodes and the TX schools end up distributed in a bunch of different conferences anyway.

No, even if that is the way it went down personally I want OU to stay in the Big 12.

And I doubt you can find one Arkansas fan that regrets the move.

Why?

Because winning a bunch of games against shit opponents in a shit conference is less exciting than playing great games in the best conference in the country.

Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.

ROFL LMAO ROFL ROFL LMAO


Being in the SEC has absolutely ZERO percent change of hurting a program's recruiting.

I'm sorry, but kids in the deep south are not going to Mizzou in any significant numbers. For Mizzou, it is going to be Texas or bust, and in the SEC it will probably be bust.

Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

I think they'll look back on the 2005-2010 run as one of the brighter ones in the program's modern history.

They'll also recognize that the ship has sailed and that if they want to actually build off that burst of success, they need to seize on the momentum to try to build their program further.

There is no conference in the country that can give you a better platform from which to develop a football program than the SEC. Can Mizzou make the leap? Who knows - perhaps not. But they'd be absolute fools not to try it.

What was the final score the last time we played Arkansas? I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be them that day.

No. But the 7th -9th overall best program can finish that high in a given year. They may have a great team one year and finish top 3-4 in the conference, but still in general not have as good of a football program on the whole. KU finished 7th in 2008, so yes I think A&M, Arkansas, or MU can finish top 12 if they have a great time or few breaks leading to a great season.