Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043335)

Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years. LMAO

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043282)

I think that's the issue.

I won't speak for Duncan here, but he said that riiiiiiight around the time the "He's squatting 225 lbs" thing came out.

Which, for me, says they CAN'T know that. They can't see that. Because you can't until that ligament really gets taxed and really starts to carry a legitimate load. When it's starting to really have to drive. Or cut WHILE under load.

I - not Duncan or Crow or Burkholder or anyone else - cannot see how that question can POSSIBLY be answered when he's squatting about half what you'd expect from a high level college offensive lineman. That means it just way too early.

And Duncan can actually attest to this -- I disagreed with HIM in PMs about exactly how much risk Simmons carries. I'm absolutely willing to listen to someone explain how they can possibly have this level of insight when it comes to a dexterity and blood flow issue in a replaced ligament. When, by his own admission, Simmons isn't able to actually tax that ligament.

Can he do it under lighter load by higher reps? Shit, can he get on a recumbent bike, turn the tension up and put in 5 miles to provide some rough rough approximation of what load would be and then examine it?

Find me THAT. But I think a prima facia case here has absolutely been made to put the ball back in the other court. There's a LOT of evidence out there that this isn't a surgery that guys come back from with any regularity at all. So please, do explain to me why Simmons will be the exception to that.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043335)

Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years. LMAO

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043335)

Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years. LMAO

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043339)

While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18043341)

One note on squatting 225 pounds. That's a lot of weight, even if it is only half of what he would be at full strength. Like that might be my max if I am at full strength and working out regularly. It doesn't seem impossible to me that they could evaluate how the tendon is doing under load with that weight on it.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043339)

While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18043318)

Knee and back injuries to big guys are worse. Much worse. They carry more weight and absorb more punishment.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18043342)

But the guys drafting all those 2nd and 3rd rounders sure know how to do it if they get one in the back of the first?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043343)

How can this poster be so clear on the difficulty of finding a LT and simultaneously so certain that Simmons is the answer?

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18043302)

I didn't know that. So you know pretty early if knee surgeries are a success or not? That is good news.

I know my buddy had an acl and mcl (I think) one after the other and said both were painful as hell and a bitch to rehab. You have to deal with the pain or it won't heal right. Do all the rehab or it won't heal right. Do all the stretching or it won't heal right.

Then you have an elevated risk of a different injury due to the tendency to over compensate and use other joints and limbs too much.

Right or wrong we basically agreed to all this risk to save 20 draft slots. That's what it comes down to. We didn't want to pay the price to move up into the top 15 to get a top 15 talent.

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18043347)

Hold on with that. I would be completely fine with Simmons not playing at all this year. Is anybody actually bitching about what he'll do as a rookie? I think the concern of all is that his ceiling for the rest of his life is low, even if technically he is playing and "healthy".

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043339)

While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043354)

O.City just indicated that he didn’t like taking a depth piece at 32. That’s what I was responding to.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 18043348)

Correct. My arthritis in my back could have told you that. :)