Wouldn't that make him 3rd tier with an avg #2 being about 45th?

Depends on how you define it. If you do it the same way as Allard Baird, it's a disaster.

If you define it as a guy like Kolten Wong, Joe Pederson in the LA system, etc. it works out just fine. Same thing with a Tyler Skaggs.


Santana PROBABLY is worth somewhere between a 50 and top 75 sort, by himself, to the right team.

It makes him worthy of being a starter, and that's an absurdity as we all know.


It really doesn't matter how often a guy bats or how many IP he throws, if he's destroying value in teh process. Hell, I want a guy playing LESS if he's a negative WAR player.

Where are you getting that WAR number for Francoeur?

fWAR has him at -0.9. bWAR has him at -0.8.

Sticking with Fangraphs (because it's hard to get a BRef listing by WAR that goes beyond a Top 10), that's 207th out of 213 players who have played the OF in the major leagues this season.

That pumped me up, and glad to hear they won't be sellers for once. I hate that part of the game.

How likely do you see this possibility?

I don't know if the Cards really will dangle Wong, but it's a possibility. And he's a 2B who is ranked in the right range to make it worth KC's while to deal Santana.

KC MUST get a prospect valuable enough to dump the chance at a comp pick for Santana.

I wasn't aware he's now with SD and stinking up the joint there, 2-18 so far. I think his WAR is actually getting worse from when I saw it last a few weeks back. But yes it's 0.9. Now where does Guthrie rank on fWAR among all qualifers?

He has been in negatives all year, except maybe for the first week. He's with San Francisco, though, not San Diego.

Guthrie ranks 70/71, which doesn't surprise me. 3rd starter types are where the qualification cut-offs start... as the No. 4 and 5 spots typically bounce for a lot of teams.

He's a fringe No. 3/solid No. 4 starter.

fWAR for pitchers ranks Wade Davis (39th overall) higher than each of the following:

Jeff Locke
Kris Medlen
Paul Maholm
Tommy Millone
Andrew Cashner
Jeremy Hefner
Wade Miley
Kyle Lohse
Jarrod Parker
Bronson Arroyo
Ryan Dempster
Chris Tillman

Is there a SINGLE guy on that list you legitimately think is WORSE than Wade Davis?

If Guthrie is below replacement value then Davis and Chendoza sure as hell are to. Which three replacement level guys are you supposed to replace them with again? Would it be correct to say someone that has an even 0 WAR is not easily replaceable?

From the eyeball test, I would have to agree. FG gives tons of credit for normalizing HR rates on fly balls and he's been stung a bit. The problem with Davis is his defenders say "he'll revert to his career data". Problem is his career data includes stints in the pen. I'm sure Hoch's data has improved this year over his career too.

At least we're not the Marlins?

They're hosting a Legends of Wrestling night in August.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...restling-night

WAR... WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN.

I can assure you, that back in the 1980's I dangled Wong in St. Louis on many occasions....

Chris Getz up, Johnny G down

Herrera for Teaford as well