Jeremy Guthrie was worth 2.0 bWAR after coming over from Colorado last year. 1.6 fWAR.

On that alone, it was a hugely successful trade.

Fangraphs and Baseball Reference disagree about his value this year. bWAR has him slightly above average.

Even with the negative value Fangraphs assigns Guthrie, he is the 88th best SP in major league baseball according to their rankings. With 30 teams in major league baseball, that makes him basically an average No. 3 starter. That's not great, but it also isn't terrible.

For the record... Fangraphs also has Wade Davis at 1.1 WAR according to its rankings.

Silly.

Does Dayton Moore run Fangraphs by chance?

Ahem ...

Dayton Moore: 'We're not going to back off'

And nothing says success like being six games under IN YOUR SEVENTH YEAR ON THE JOB.

He is already balls deep in with the Myers trade and 75Mil payroll. He can't pull out now or he looks like a fool.

The author speculates that Moore would need "ready-now players" if he deals Santana. I have it on good authority that Moore wants immediate answers at third, catcher, and a starter who isn't far off.

He doesn't.

I think FIP and xFIP are good stats, but not to the same extent Fangraphs does.

It focuses WAY too much on those in its WAR rankings for pitchers, IMO.

Guys that strikeout a decent amount of hitters but who give up a lot of hard contact are going to look better in FIP and xFIP than they really should (see: Hochevar, Luke).

I really think FIP and xFIP should account for contact rates (LD %, HR/FB %) more than they do.

Catcher?

This a Beltran reference?

I think he typed "second" and it came out "catcher."

Dayton Baird. :D

I see what you did there....

Hopefully, they can get "Giambi-lite" in such a deal.

And, FTR, narrowing your scope to "ready-now" players is pretty much a sure way to get ****ed in a trade.

This is what I'm wondering.

Think about what you're saying: he has a (0.5) WAR. Frenchy has a (0.4) WAR. Oh yeah: Frenchy is 68th among all MLB outfielders in plate appearances which basically makes him an average #2 OF in the league.


That's not great but it's also not terrible. :harumph: