Josh is too stupid to ever win a championship.

Remember Phillip Rivers early years when they had some midrange success then faded into nothing in a couple years?

Thats this Bills team…and they already had their midrange success.

Rivers had a lot of sub .500 seasons for being a supposed elite QB. I predict the same for Joshy upcoming.

Got rid of everybody on defense, cleaned out his WRs, and he's not smart or patient enough like Mahomes to adjust his style of play to fit the team he's surrounded by.

4-12 (or whatever it is now) incoming

Enjoy!

“How close is Allen to Mahomes if all things were equal.”

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Bills fans huff copium every morning because it's the only way they can even get out of bed anymore. They boil the argument down to the things they can control, like subjective bullshit. "Man, Josh sure does play well in those playoff games! Those stats, man!" And of course, "It's the team around Josh that's failing him! If things were equal, Josh would be the better QB!!!"

Mahomes would have won a Super Bowl with Buffalo by now if he played for them. And if "things were equal" he'd still have his 3 rings to Josh's zero. And in the last game he would have scored a TD in the last playoff game and not relied on Tyler Ass to wide right it.

One of these days Josh is going to come up on the right side of the overtime coin toss in the playoffs. And I'll bet he still shits his pants and loses.

The Mahomes/Allen argument, not that there ever was one, ended the second he went into Orchard Park with me and 3 people from this board playing WR and snatched their chain last playoffs....

Allen is NEVER doing that.

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“How close is Allen to Mahomes if all things were equal.”


There were reasonable responses in there. Not all of them were deluded, but most were.

[QUOTE=KCBlitz;17571615]I agree. The one guy kept insisting that Allen only played 9 games his first season. So the **** what??

Lot of "Mahomes is only good because of the people around him" going on in that thread.

[QUOTE=RedinTexas;17571630]No kidding. Such asinine arguments.

Bills fans, not all but many, are mentally deranged.

Yeah, this is right up there with the infamous Patriots fan "if you changed all of Mahomes' stats, he wouldn't be as good".

Let's break this down for hilarity.

So, you're just a hater if you point out Mahomes sat all but one game his first year... that's not Allen's fault!

So... it's now fair that we're giving Allen 9 games in his first season to Mahomes' 1? Uh, why aren't we just using "first x games"?

Oh right, because then Allen loses this argument. Mahomes scored more TDs in his first 96 games (that's 6 seasons of regular season games for the Bills fans reading).

Ah, the excuses have arrived.

In total fairness, we'll just remove Mahomes' 50 TD passing season and start at 2020 because Allen wasn't good enough for a couple seasons! ROFL :facepalm:

Presto, ignore a 50 TD season while it took Josh Allen 2.5 seasons to reach that mark, postseason stats, Super Bowl rings, turnover stats... Josh Allen is the best! LMAO

Let's compare apples to neutrons and prove the existence of bigfoot.

This is just depressingly pathetic... like.. Knowmo levels of delusion and sadness.

If Allen could win a Superbowl it would be so much worse for them. Now they can compare stats to Lamar, Burrow, Lawrence and others and get puffy. It would be Mahomes and catching up to Mahomes only. Bastards are better off than they realize

Some of my favorite excuses from that thread:

Mahomes had Alex Smith to learn from.
The Chiefs don't have $30M dead cap hits.
Butler is a better kicker.
Mahomes has better weapons. (This one made me tap out.)

I'm dead serious when I say 13 seconds cucked Josh Allen, the Bills organization, and their fanbase. Its unreal.

Mahomes lives rent free in the heads of Bills fans for all of eternity.

I disagree. In their minds Allen is already a better quarterback. They rationalize that non-Bills fans don’t see that because he hasn’t won a championship. If Allen gets just 1 everybody in the world will see what they see…Allen is the chosen one.

Not as much as Baltimore.
The Bills try to win games. They think they can can, one day, beat Mahomes.

Jackson knows he can't. That dog don't even lift it's head when Pat comes around...

This is what it is. It reminds me of the old Spiderman/Venom comics. Venom was a little bit bigger, a little stronger and a little bit faster, but Spiderman was more intelligent and that's why he always won. I also think Mahomes has more of a chapped ass/killer instinct than Allen too. Allen seems lore like an "awww shucks" guys where Patrick is an "over my dead ****ing body" guy.

I see Allen when things go wrong and he has that "deer in the headlights" look. He's accepting defeat when he looks like that. I don't think Patrick ever accepts defeat. So, once you see Allen with the deer in the headlights look, it's game over.

I thought they only blamed:

Mahomes having the better start to a career.
Better HC who was also an offensive genius.
Better health for KC.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex!

And he also thinks Rashee Rice should be banned for life from the NFL! And all Chiefs fans should give $50 to a Bills fan!

I have a friend who is a Bills fan and the other day without any prompting he told me that Josh Allen is the worst thing ever to happen to Buffalo. He thinks that Josh is immature and unable to handle the pressure. He also said that Patrick Mahomes is a god. Not The God, but a god. In football anyway. He also told me that he was always embarrassed to be a Buffalo fan when others like Diq Lix made all other Buffalo fans look bad. He wishes he was a Chiefs fan.

This sounds absolutely credible. Reminds me of the Bills fan I met last week.

You basically hear it from any Bills fan outside of Buffalo.

There are Bills fans outside of Buffalo?

I thought those were mythological creatures . . . only slightly more believable than Chargers fans.

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Curious if it was the same Bills fan that wanted to see KC moved to the NFC to make things fair for Buffalo and all.

TooDelusionalDrive

But it does generate a few laughs from time to time.
The "JA needs to mentally overpower Mahomes" thread comes to mind, and of course their most recent game thread.

The final nail in Buffalo's coffin will be driven in once KC wins their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. They will never recover.

That thread on Allen vs Mahomes doesn’t disappoint.

“mahomes is the better regular season qb, allen is the better playoff qb

so all things considered give me allen”

I get their zeal for Allen as we would feel the same way about Mahomes if somehow things were different, but goodness that is an awful take. Allen has as many playoff losses to Mahomes as Patrick has in his career.

I was just checking up on it myself... you have a few rational Bills fans there it seems like... but it's blatantly obvious that the guy wants to write off any help Allen gets as 'flukey' while 'MahOmES gEts AlL tHe hElP!'

I call them homers, even though we have plenty of ours here.

All I have to say, is damn, are we blessed that Patrick Lavon Mahomes II as our Quarterback.

I think we can all agree that Veach is a far better GM than Beane, but it's not like Beane is Ryan Grigson to Allen's Andrew Luck or anything like that.

Allen has had defenses that are absolutely good enough for most of his seasons (if not all of them). He's had good OLs. Dawson Knox isn't Kelce, but he's not some shlub, either. And they've had WRs. That's enough talent to make shit work. And if Allen were as good as the Bills claim he is, he should be able to eke out one win against Mahomes with that collection of players.

I think that may change as Beane has had a rough go of it thus far getting outsmarted by Veach in the draft and being unable to replace aging or expensive players with younger talent. Either that, or Beane has squandered resources on inefficient production guys like old ass Von Miller in the name of going all in, but he hasn't quite figured out that those opportunities to go all in show up often enough when you just remain patient and pick the players that can actually help your team without preventing you from adding to the roster in other areas.

So sure, this might change beginning this year, but up until this point, Josh has had just as easy of a go of it in terms of winning as Mahomes in terms of his surrounding talent.

And yeah, that includes the refs as well. If anything, Allen has had MORE help from officials than Mahomes in their playoff games against each other.

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I hate the off seasom.

I actually disagree. Neither quarterback is a quitter. That's what made the :13 game so great. Watching two elite QBs go at it, simply refusing to give up.
Allen is the better athlete, but Mahomes is more talented. Talent won out.

Now somebody like Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rodgers, down double digits late in the game, they will quit on their team. They're not wired the same.

Allen is very competitive and definitely is not a quitter. Not so much ‘deer in headlights’ but he does get flustered in pressure situations. That is what separates Mahomes from these other guys. He can still perform under the utmost pressure. Sometimes it’s as simple as doing the simple things well under pressure. Mahomes does that. Allen not so much.

Allen’s issues under pressure are largely ignored by Bills fans but it’s one of the biggest differentiators between him and Mahomes. This was never on better display than the last Bills possession against us in the last game.

On three consecutive plays Allen was an unmitigated disaster on all three, as he tried to give the game away.

On first down he threw a hospital ball to Diggs who was fortunate to not catch it. On second down he threw a perfect pick 6 to Sneed but McDuffie had a “great” pass break up on that one. Then on third down he ran it immediately after dropping back to pass and fumbled the ball which at minimum should have been a Chiefs recovery and was close to a fumble return for a TD.

Then of course a few plays later he missed the obvious pass to Diggs crossing right in front of him which at minimum ends with the Bills kicking a game tying field goal as time comes close to exiting.

Mahomes doesn’t make even one of those mistakes in the tightest moments, let alone all four on one drive. We all saw him double clutch in the Super Bowl at the end as the play called had potential but also was not smart in the situation.

Spot on! Of course Bills fans don’t see it, or refuse to see it. I was watching that game thinking we were going to lose when the 2 min warning came. I couldn’t believe Allen was being patient and had the opportunity to out-Mahomes Mahomes right at that moment. Then, of course, he went to Allen mode after the 2min warning. But their fans will blame the kicker, coaches, defense, snow etc before they will ever blame the guy that’s responsible. lol

Yes this is the difference. Allen is no quitter, but he panics sometimes and gets rattled much easier that Mahomes. Mahomes has SIGNIFICANTLY higher football IQ too. He's like Mcduffie...the dudes are just natural born football players that never have to overthink anything because the game just come so naturally to them both. They hardly ever make the wrong decision.

I know this is a common opinion, but I'm not sure it's based on reality.

The numbers say Allen and Mahomes have virtually identical athletic profiles.

Allen is a great Quarterback. That being said, Mahomes is closer to Brady than Allen is to Mahomes, so mentioning them in the same breath as Bills fans are is very much underselling and disrespectful to PM2.

Not to mention how Bills fans keep blaming their defenses, which have been consistently top of the league in Points per Drive, while Mahomes Defenses outside of 2023 have never even touched the top 12.

I can't wait to 3-peat next year while that team is burning down and covered in snow in January.

They act like they totally outplayed the Chiefs last year but "Bass missed wide right" and that was why they lost.

The reality is the Chiefs dominated that game for 4 quarters and the only reason it was close was because the Bills had some crazy fumble fortune in that game. Including Hardman's horrid fumble out of the end zone. If not for that the Chiefs probably win by 2 scores.

Beane actually isn't in charge.

It's McDermott. And McDermott wants to spend gobs of money on veteran D Line backups and old players.

Beane is an admin and figure head who was collecting helmets and equipment in Carolina, has zero scouting background.

Them blaming defense would hold more validity if they were doing the same thing in the regular season. They aren’t. They actually are pretty effective at beating KC in the regular season. Problem is they can’t do it when it matters.

They can blame their defense in the :13 second game all they want, but if not for an awful defensive performance by KC there is no :13 seconds and KC wins easily.

Allen is good, but only once has he even taken Buffalo to the AFCCG. Not once did he will the 32nd rank defense to within an overtime coin flip (under the old system) of a SB. It’s not like his teams lacked for talent either.

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

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OMFG! I had to give up when they started to sing. I can't believe someone spent the time and effort into making this abomination. No wonder they can't win a SB. Their not worthy. I want my three minutes back. :spock:

That is correct. I meant to type that part out differently.

Who is the best QB in the NFL currently if all things were equal?
Allen
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Mahomes
86
Other
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Absolutely delusional.

I admittedly don't know about his career very much other than he worked more on the pro personnel side of things rather than college scouting in Carolina. I don't doubt that's how the decision-making structure works over there, but I find it somewhat hard to believe the organization would hand over that much power to a guy like McDermott with zero NFL head coach experience before he had even started his first training camp.

Especially since the head coach/GM hybrid model has been shown over the years to not be very effective because it's so difficult for one guy to do both jobs at an elite level.

That's also not to mention that there are still a few butt****ing moron Chiefs fans out there who believe Andy Reid trumps Veach in terms of personnel decisions, which includes the draft.

Jesus, is this guy really still around? Bills just went 60 to zero in 1 off season! Bills are DONE! They will not win anything this season but a top 5 draft pick next! :evil:

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

“Allen vs Mahomes is the new Brady vs Manning.”

The things they tell themselves is a never ending stream of delusion. Mahomes is Manning AND Brady.

The Bills not only did that, Mcdermott was running the draft in 2017. He is the one who didn't want Mahomes and traded him to Reid.

Thank God the Bills are run by morons.

FYP

This is the answer. It really isn’t any more complex than this.

I read the first page. 90s Bills understands reality. The rest don't.

Mahomes is the best. That is the reality. I don't like it but it is true.

Jim Kelly
Doug Flutie
Rob Johnson
Alex Van Pelt
Drew Bledsoe
JP Losman
Trent Edwards
Ryan Fitzpatrick
EJ Manuel
Kyle Orton
Tyrod Taylor
Josh Allen just fits trends right in

Mahomes is better, but Allen is really good. He's the closest to any other QB in the league to Pat.

I'm not sure 90s Bills isn't an undercover KC fan.

Allen is really really good. He’s the closest thing to Mahomes, but he’s too erratic at times.

If Mahomes wasn't in the league, Allen and maybe even Jackson would have SB rings already.

Real shit.

So when we bag on these guys, it's kinda unfair. It's kinda bullshit.

These are great talents. They just happened to exist in the Mahomes era. Kinda ****ed for them, but oh well.

If Brady didn’t exist, Manning is likely the GOAT.

Some fanbases are lucky, and some are really really lucky

Allen and Jackson are to Mahomes what Karl Malone and Charles Barkley were to Michael Jordan. They couldn't win a single ring, and Jordan would likely have pulled off an actual eight-peat had he not taken 2 years off.

Completely agreed. Allen is really an amazing QB and Lamar is a crazy athletic talent, but Mahomes is the closest thing we've seen to simply an inevitability in professional football in these last 6 years. No Defense? No Problem. No Wide Receivers? Get the Special Teams Guys on the field to catch the ball. Severe ankle injury and pain? He'll run through it into eternal glory.

The biggest problem that Josh Allen has regarding his career is that he's playing in the same timeframe as Mahomes. Unfair, but true.

The funny part is we could make an argument they would not, without going into all the different variables....
2020 Bills... they got their asses handed to them by the Chiefs, not confident they would beat the Bucs (if they got that far).

2021 Bills... obviously their best chance, but the Chiefs team that beat them didn't even make the Super Bowl, so who knows.

2023 Bills vs Ravens... Allen against that defense, could he reel it in and not **** it up with some 4th quarter hero ball? Does Jackson try winning with his legs? I'd probably go Ravens here, not knowing how much healthier the Bills defense would have been a week later.

2023-24 SB... damn, this leaves Jackson vs Purdy. Purdy probably doesn't have 5 turnovers again, but wouldn't have been surprised if Lamar got his.
I'd give him a better chance with that defense than I'd give the Bills in this game, TBH.

2020 Bills….They would have gotten crushed by Tampa.

2021 Bills…. They win the SB. Honestly the biggest reason KC lost to Cincinnati was because Mahomes had the worst half of his playoff career. Buffalo looked really good and had they beat KC I really think they knock off the Bengals and the Rams.

2023 Bills vs Ravens…. I see Baltimore winning that one. Buffalo is not KC and as such I highly doubt Baltimore abandons what got them the #1 seed. Baltimore bullies teams (except for KC) and they would have done the same to Buffalo that they did to every non KC team.

Todd Collins was between Kelly and Flutie. I fear the odd pink squirrel suffocation

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Personally I’m never actually criticizing Allen much. I’m the one who’s been saying for two years he is far better than Burrow and is the second best QB in the league. It’s the Bills fans though who think because he’s second best that it automatically means he’s is on the same tier as Mahomes and they twist themselves into knots trying to show it that I find a tad ridiculous.

Would love to see Bills/Ravens/Bengals fans go at it over who is the 2nd best QB.

ya I agree that he's the 2nd best QB in the league. He's actually performed pretty well against the Chiefs and actually put his team in position to have a strong chance of winning. But you know how that ended since we have the best QB in history. I can recognize good players even if they don't play for my favorite team, many people can't.

I would make an NFL QB tier list like this

S++ Mahomes
S+ nobody
S Allen, Burrow, Jackson
A Hurts, Stroud, Goff
B Prescott, Lawrence

something along those lines

Give me a break. Mahomes is "close to" Brady? Brady isn't fit to wash Mahomes' jock strap. Brady was nothing but hype and fraud and cheating. He wasn't even good. He was okay.

Ask yourself this - if Adam Vinateiri misses a few kicks, if that garbage tuck rule call isn't made, and if the Patriots didn't cheat so rampantly, would Brady have ever won a Super Bowl? You saw the absolutely unbelievably rigged reffing in the Chiefs vs. Bucs Super Bowl. Intercepting Brady and having flags come out afterwards to cancel out the interception. Refs with kids named after Brady. Passes 114 rows up out the back of the end zone for PI first downs. The only way Brady could even move the ball was from flags. That was an abomination. The day the music died.

I'm tired of people acting like Brady is anywhere NEAR Mahomes level. He wasn't. Never was.