Dilfer predicted the Niners will run the Chiefs out of the stadium. Guessing he won’t bother to eat crow if that prediction is wrong.

In more ways than one

Trent Dilfer hopes that is true, simply because he has Mahomes envy.

Trent Dilfer loves it when teams win games by running the ball and passing less than 10 times.

Eat a dick

Wiz and Schwartz are outstanding in pass pro. I would happily leave them 1v1 so Reiter/LDT can double team and a chip/double block from a TE/RB can help Fish.

I really think this OL will surprise and give Pat decent protection.

Oh guess that’s already been said. Oh well

The more I think about it, and review the latter half of the Chiefs' season, I really believe that the X-factor for this game is going to be the Chiefs' defense. How many times did the sports media discount this unit? How many times did we have trolls roll in here and tell us that our defense was going to fold in front of their offenses? And every single time our defense has stood up and handled their business since week 11. EVERY SINGLE GAME.

And here we are again, with Niners trolls now telling us how our defense won't be able to deal with their offense.

I think our defense is going to go into this game wanting to prove that they can stop this offense just like they have every other offense since November.

They are on a mission from God.

"You can't possibly expect this to be easy.... If you want to make history.. You have to do historic things..."

Kobe Bryant

They're all looking at the whole season stats instead of how the D has been performing as of week 11 when all of a sudden things started to click.

I'm not going to discount what the 9ers have done since they made it to the show, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start to pull away from them in the 3rd after some halftime adjustments

Interesting stat: Jimmy G’s best passing outlet is surprising not Kittle. He has a 118 passer rating when targeting the slot. Fortunately the Landlord is the best slot defender in the league.

I’m telling you guys. If we can stop the run effectively and pin our ears back on obvious passing downs, we’ll run away with this.

Put Landlord in the a lot, jam the shit out of Kittle at the LOS and let our pass rush go. That’s the key

Yeah, I know what they're looking at, and i kind of get it. But it's a little surprising to me that not one of these supposed professional analysts has taken the time to really look at how our defense has performed in the last 9 weeks. I get the fan-trolls even; most of them have no idea what a 4-3 defense is. So their misunderstanding of the stats that they post is predictable. But for actual professionals to use the same obsolete stat lines is just lazy.

I just hope the loss of Thornhill does not end up being a difference maker if this is a close game down the stretch.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-favorite/


The Most Balanced Team In The Super Bowl Isn’t The Favorite

Michael Salfino

One team competing this weekend in Super Bowl LIV has proven all season that it is one of the most dominant, well-balanced squads in NFL history.

It’s the team widely expected to lose.

^ this cuck is always posting negative ****ing shit

Does all that historical data even mean anything in this passing era?

What’s that you say? It’ll be hard to win if our offense doesn’t produce? You mean to tell me that you have to score points to win games? ****ing brilliant.

Keep doubting this ****ing defense. Just don’t cry uncle when Mathieu and Clark bend you over on the national stage.

Man those Texans are going to run all over the Chiefs defense.

That was a fluke. Just wait until Derrick Henry runs all over that Chiefs defense.

Wait...that doesn’t count. The 49ers running game is going to destroy the Chiefs defense.

You notice how almost every argument against the Chiefs starts with season stats?

Anybody trying to use season stats to tell the story about the 2019 Chiefs is clueless because they’re immediately ignoring all the injuries and a new defense with a lot of turnover.

49ers season - We lost games because of injuries.

Chiefs season - You guys suck and injuries don’t count.

Exactly. Nobody can sit here and tell me the 49ers dealt with more adversity in terms of injuries than us either.

Hill alone missed more games than Kittle, Buckner, Bosa, Jimmy G, and Sherman combined.

But Akhello Witherspoon got hurt!!!

before he got benched

Yup. These are the kind of names they throw out there when they talk about injuries. The only area where they legit had some bad luck is the OL.

Telling Chiefs fans you were unfortunate because Dee Ford was injured is hilarious.

LMAO

The sad part is his is by far the biggest/longest injury they had.

Their pass rush dropped big time with Ford out. He’s mainly who they’re talking about when they say they’re healthy now.

And he hasn't practiced 100% since by the way. Not even this past week.

Doesn't mean he won't play but the dude is a walking injury report.

Yeah, Ford's no joke for those guys. He makes that pass rush level up in a big way.

Without him, they're just pretty good. But they're nothing we haven't seen a few times this year.

WITH him, they're a problem. But as Duncan has pointed out, can they really get away with having him out there on a bunch of 1st and 2nd downs? And I don't even mean from a "we'll just run at him" standpoint, but the dude's just not played a lot of football this year and he's gonna struggle to get through 60 snaps. He's talked several times about the nagging shit he's working through and he just cannot hold up for that many snaps without being completely gassed.

This team is just as likely to whip one 30 yards downfield on 1st and 2nd down as it is on 3rd. You can't just play them straight up and act like only 3rd and 8 is a 'passing down'. This is Andy Reid - EVERY down is a passing down and Mahomes runs this offense so efficiently that if you're sitting there holding Ford back for the right situation, Mahomes will have them in the end-zone in 5 plays and Ford will have just gotten a nice little rest.

Ford's their pivot point, but he's not a guy they can just set and forget. They've gotta ration his snaps somehow and that could really burn them.

I'd almost treat him like a basketball player and put him on a rotation by quarter. Run him hard in the 1st, sit him in the 2nd, hard for the first couple drives of the 3rd and then sit him until the last drive or two of the game.

I just don't see a way to 'mix and match' his usage and have it work out.

Getting Chiefs fans to feel sorry for you about injuries is going to be damn near impossible.

Amen.

They’ve gone along this year by pure talent and luck. They haven’t had much experience against adversity and their schedule was very weak.

They better hope they don’t fall behind by double-digits early or it could get messy for them. They haven’t been challenged like that ball year in a big game.

Any KC fan overlooking this 49ers team is nuts. They are elite. That being said they are not invincible.

The KC defense will ultimately decide this game, And it will come down to how effectively the LB corps controls the 49ers running backs in the passing game. The Packers exposed the Chiefs defence by finding this gross mismatch, and I pray to God that Spags helps the lack of talent this roster has at linebacker through some scheme adjustments, because Shanahan will sure test that unit.
I expect Shanahan to try to tendency break and come out throwing early to soften up the Chiefs secondary, and when they back off a bit, that is when they will employ heavy doses of the outside zone run. It would be nice if the secondary can generate a couple turnovers because I think the Chiefs will need some extra possessions to ultimately beat this 49ers team. That being said, I do like how the Chiefs offense matches up against the 49ers defence. The Chiefs offensive line is under the radar right now and has been outstanding the entire postseason. If they stay true to form, Mahomes could go off big time.
Take the over.

Remember that time that the dude we've been waiting 40 years for had his knee cocked at a 90 degree angle to the rest of his leg in a prime-time game?

"Oh yeah? We lost Garrett Celek! That's like the 2nd best Celek brother!!"

Chodes.

Spags made immediate adjustments that were reflected in a big way against Cook and the Vikings the following week.

He stopped playing the RB nearly as straight up and they started making a fair number of pretty varied shifts to get acceptable matchups on the RBs.

Would I rather see Darron Lee have developed into a genuine starting caliber player so we could have his speed out there instead of Spags being forced to scheme around Reggie Ragland's heavy feet? Yup - but it didn't happen.

But we know Spags won't get caught napping. The guy knows where this defense has issues and he'll pull every lever at this point to try to cover them.

I did like seeing the resurrection of Dorian O’Daniel the past two playoff games. Even in limited action, he made some nice plays in a spy role and accounting for short zone responsibilities against running backs. He’s a pretty dependable tackler and Niemann has also improved in this regard. I believe the Titans offensive line is better than that of the 49ers, but Shanahan’s run scheme is so much more multiple in that it will really test the discipline of this defence with so much misdirection and a mix of zone and gap scheme.

Who is overlooking them? Nobody said it’s going to be easy, but the truth is people like you are overrating them.

For example, the Chiefs will need extra possessions (plural too? lmao) to win? They aren’t that good to where I’m going into this game thinking that, but I respect them enough to know that we can’t GIVE them extra possessions and expect to win.

Jesus, just read the predictions thread. A lot of posters here are calling a Chiefs blowout. I’m glad they are confident, but logic and the eye test says this will be a closely contested game.

As far as my comment regarding extra possessions, I guess I’m just hoping that things go our way with regards to turnovers as the Texans game showed us a team that was not ready to play from the opening kick off. Thankfully once the offense began to wake up, and Sorenson made those great effort plays, things turned around. I don’t know if the 49ers will afford the Chiefs many opportunities for momentum changing plays. I agree with what you say about us not being able to afford to give them anything extra. Toub is the guy I trust the least right now from a coaching perspective. There have been way too many breakdowns with special teams this late in the season.

I called for a 34-27 Chiefs win. I think it’s going to be a close game for the most part.

ROFL

I don’t think they are being overlooked. They are good but I think calling them elite is a stretch. They were inches from being a #5 seed and they won a lot of games in the final moments. The law of averages says that can’t continue. Had they even split those games they don’t make the playoffs. Look at the Chargers. They benefited from those close wins last year and ended up 12-4 and got exposed by NE in they playoffs. This year they didn’t get those breaks and will be drafting top 10.

Yeah, they definitely aren’t elite since they were almost a 5 seed. Let’s diminish their achievements due to them having another dominate team in their division. Winning close divisional games and only losing on the final play 3x shows weakness. More astute analysis please.

The second half of the season, our defense was just as good as theirs. In slightly different ways, but there are any number of stats you can pull to show they're comparable. With a different coordinator, system, like 8 new starters, and fighting through massive injuries, I don't think that's cherrypicking, I think it's reasonable to say that the last 8 games is what they are.

We've BEEN the 49'ers so many times.

mid-level QB, good running game, tough defense.

I don't think that wins over the best QB in football, tons of weapons, and also a tough defense.

I think OUR defense is the real x-factor here, and I expect them to show up.

Now the Seahawks are dominant. Jesus.

They've finished 7 out of the last 8 seasons with 10 or more wins and in the playoffs. During that span they've won a Super Bowl and should've won a second. This year they were 1 inch from winning the west. Maybe dominant is the wrong word, but they are far better than the second best team in the AFC West. The point being, which you seem to have missed (I'll put in more simple midwest terms for you), almost being a 5 seed due to having another playoff team in your division is not an implication (definition: the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated) of an average season.

The Seahawks are essentially a poor man's Chiefs yet the Chiefs are the beneficiaries of a fortunate schedule and the Seahawks are 'dominant'.

I mean that's just laughable.

The Chiefs are better in EVERY SINGLE WAY. Literally every way. Well, except punter - Dickson is awesome.

Mahomes > Wilson
Williams > Marshawn's corpse
Kelce > Hollister
Hill > Lockett
Watkins > Metcalf
Chiefs OL > Seahawks OL
Chiefs DL > Seahawks DL
Chiefs secondary > Seahawks secondary

Bobby Wagner is a probable 1st ballot HoFer when all is said and done so I'll give the Seahawks the advantage at LBer.

But apart from LBer and Punter, the Seahawks are essentially built the same way as the Chiefs and attempt to do the same things as the Chiefs but simply don't do them nearly as well.

And now they're 'dominant'.

Aight.

The Seahawks are “dominant”.

Lost to the Rams and the Cardinals.
Barely beat the Bengals, Steelers, Rams, Browns, Eagles, Bucs and Panthers.

You're making up an argument that didn't exist, you dunce. No one said they were better than the Chiefs, but thank you for the unbiased breakdown.

You realize that the Broncos and Raiders went 7-9 because they got swept by the Chiefs, right?

Like, they're not amazing football teams by any stretch, but they were .500 squads in non-Chiefs matchups. They weren't rummies.

They were simply outclassed by a superior squad. The 49ers meanwhile lost a game and should've lost another to a team that is inferior to the Chiefs in virtually every way.

But yeah - keep telling yourself that's a great Seattle unit.

You called them a dominant team, sweetheart.

If 80% of the Chiefs = 'dominant', then you've defined the word out of existence.

If you don't want people to pick apart your idiocy, try not being an idiot.

Reading is fundamental. I never diminished their achievements. I stated they were good and not being overlooked. I also stated they were not elite and why. I even gave a comparison which was last year’s Chargers team. Bottom line is SF is in the SB, no doubt about it and they deserve the credit due to them for that, but that doesn’t make them elite.

Over the last 10 Super Bowls, only 2 teams with a clear QB disadvantage have won. Niners are going to need some help to win this game.

If we can limit their rushing attack and force them to be one dimensional, they’re done. We aren’t playing Rodgers, Watson or Wilson out there. Jimmy G is not that fast, so he isn’t going to evade guys and beat us down field.

Jimmy G is a system QB. Once the system breaks down he’s Pretty much done. He isn’t going to be making those crazy plays out of structure consistently. That’s just not who he is.

As I mentioned, Matheiu is the best slot corner in the league and that’s where Jimmy G has the most success passing. If we force them to pass, put HB in the slot and jam the hell out of Kittle at the line, we can pull out all of the stunts, twists, blitzes that Spags wants.

It really depends how the game starts. If we get out to a double-digit lead early, that puts a shit load of pressure on SF and takes away what they are good at.

"pick apart" might be the most laughable thing I've read on this site. You just compared single players on Seahawks and Chiefs and used that as empirical proof that the Seahawks haven't been a "dominant" team. First, I'd argue maybe we have different standards for dominant. I believe that going 11-5 (49ers, Saints, Ravens, Rams, Cardinals were the losses) with the hardest SOS showed they were one of the best teams in the NFL this year. I hate the Seahawks, but I'm also not ignorant to the fact that had they not had a run of injuries late in the season they would've been a tough out for anyone in the playoffs. Keep dancing, monkey.

And one of the losses in the SB QB edge deal above was to a likely hof QB.

Dude why dont you go on your 49ers boards and enjoy this week with your fellow fans, why are you on here trolling?

And wasn't that second game effectively a playoff game? Had Seattle punched it in from the 1-yard line, SF is a WC team, correct?

I'm not trying to troll, just stating facts in a belittling way.

I'll be nicer.o:-)

Do the Chiefs have a tight end that can exploit the soft seams in Cover 3 looks? Do they have an accurate QB that's willing to throw receivers open?

:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

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What a world we live in. Everyone has access to a keyboard. Look, I can play this game. If the 49ers didn't sweep the Rams they'd been 11-5 and likely the third NFC West team in the playoffs.

Scored fewer points. Gave up more points. Less efficient on offense. More porous on defense. You want 'empirical proof' feel free to Google it.

Ultimately the Chiefs scored 46 more points than the Seahawks and surrendered 90 fewer than that quaint little facsimile out west. But hey, what's a 136 point swing in scoring differential among friends? We'll just explain away more than a touchdown difference per game by saying SoS and ignoring contextualized stats like DVOA, etc that ALSO show the Chiefs being a superior squad in every single way even when accounting for schedule strength.

I mean I thought I was being generous by giving them the positional breakdowns because it at least allowed me to kick LBer their way.

again if it goes on history, the elite qb with weapons will beat the other team. The win rate on that is insanely high. Of course anything can happen, im just not see'ing it right now.

So here’s a question since they are in Miami. How big of a distraction will the club scene be for each team? How much control do the coaches have in the evenings?

The point is that Seattle is a good, but not great team. The 49ers are clearly better than Seattle in my opinion, but the Chiefs are clearly better than Seattle, too. If you guys struggle with Seattle, you better play better than you did in those games if you want to beat KC.

If you are not trying to troll then why is your username what it is?

This is one of the key areas I'm looking for the Chiefs to attack. The 49ers haven't given many big plays up, but are vulnerable down the seam during their base Cover 3. I also think they are going to be testing Sherman deep early to get him to bail hard and start hitting digs or in breaking routes regularly.

Outside of that it's not letting Mahomes extend plays by getting outside of the pocket. Just important as an up-field speed rush is for the 49ers they'll need to slow it down and collapse the pocket. Easier said than done. On the back-end they'll need to do a good job disguising and mixing up coverages. Mahomes hasn't shown many weaknesses but he has been fooled a few times in throwing timing routes based on coverage he sees presnap that turn out to be wrong.

Not to mention... the Seahawks had one score wins against a bunch of bad teams (Browns, Cardinals, Bengals, Panthers- average win % .281) and also had one score wins against Pittsburgh, Tampa, and a Matt Schaub-QBed Falcons team.

The Seahawks HAD a dominant run. They WERE a dominant team. NOW they have a very thin roster propped up by Russell Wilson's greatness.

It's not really trolling, it's inadequacy. 49ers fans know we have the better team, they lucked into this spot in spite of their Quarterback being who he is, and were fortunate to draw the matchups that they had. We whooped their ass last year, they'd like to say they were 4 - 12 that year and that they've totally changed. Only problem with that is the only pieces they've added are Nick Bosa and Kwon Alexander, everything else on their team is essentially the same, from Shannahan, to Saleh, to Sherman, to Garropolo, it was 35 - 10 at half in that game. Neutral field will take away from that a bit, along with a turnover or two in the game, but the fact is that the Chiefs are the better team, regardless of the narrative the media tries to build. Andy knows it, he's talked about the aggressive nature of their defense a time or two and he'll exploit that. He'll let them run around, overpursue, and get tired late in the game, so that if the Chiefs are down for whatever reason, that he can hurry up the offense and let Patrick bring us back. Chiefs have the advantages, 49ers are the ones that have to find a way to win the game. Kudos to them if they do, but we're on the better side of this matchup.

You're still comparing the two teams. Reading comprehension is hard.

Big difference between the Rams with Jared Goff and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson, I would think any 49ers fan, no matter how inept, would see the difference.

Idk how far the 9ers are from Miami, but the Chiefs are 30 minutes north I heard.

I think the leaders on both teams will surely have that stuff lined out. But at the same time, I don’t think you want your players to be too uptight. There’s a fine line between enjoying the week and doing stupid shit.

If you’re banking on Mahomes getting fooled, then prepare to get lit up.

Mahomes only has 5 picks on the season. And only like 2 are him getting fooled.

The pick against Houston was off of a terrible job by the ref. They threw a flag for defensive holding, Mahomes saw the flag, and went for a deep shot that got picked. They then picked up the flag and the pick stood. Not really his fault.

On the pick against Denver, he just tried to do too much. The play had broken down and he tried to squeeze the ball in between 3 defenders. Just a little too aggressive.

On the pick against LAC in week 17, Tyreek Hill ran the wrong route. Again, not his fault.

Maybe the other two picks were “Mahomes being fooled”, but still that’s only 2 throughout the course of 13 games.

I laughed way too hard at this. LOL

??? That was a response to someone saying, "if the broncos hadn't been swept by the Chiefs they'd be a 9 win team"

Any partying they could do this week is nothing compared to what they could do all offseason as champs. Hopefully they keep that in mind. Leave with a win then live it up.

Did I say it was easy? Did I say each time he's fooled it results in an INT? I've got a jump to conclusions mat to sell you.

From a show this morning, Chris Simms said that Titans DC Dean Pees told his dad before last week’s game, “we’re not going to blitz him [Mahomes].”

Phil Simms asks why. Pees says, “cause he can’t be rattled. We’ve seen 2 years worth of tape and there is no way to rattle him.”

That speaks volumes about how defenses see him and the Chiefs in general.

Wait...Matt Schaub is still alive?

{checks}

JESUS CHRIST! THE SEAHAWKS GAVE UP 460 YARDS PASSING TO MATT SCHAUB!?!?!?

Oh for ****'s sake - can we just end this conversation already? The Seahawks are barely more than 'above average' and we have this ****ing twerp in here feigning objectivity over the 'hated seahawks' so he can give his Giners another handjob?

Remember folks - any argument you make that doesn't actively support your position ends up hurting it. Trying to argue with a straight face that the 49ers faced a stiff test from a 'dominant' Seahawks team just destroys any credibility one would hope to maintain.

But yeah - real nice job pulling out the win against a squad that damn near lost to an Eagles team that was playing a 40 year old high school coach on a torn hamstring at QB and was missing its top 3 WRs, 2 starting OL, its best DB and a couple of starting DL.

Real murderers row the Niners tore through to get here in their own right.

Evidently the transitive property is as well.

If the Seahawks are 'dominant' - what are the Chiefs, sport?

You figure out where we're going with this one yet? Pretty elementary stuff.

It's like it was with Brady and Manning and such. You blitz, if you don't get there, he's gonna kill you. He's mobile enough that he's likely to be able to move enough to negate the blitz anyway.

So the best way is just like it's always been with any legit QB. Get there with 4 and drop 7.

You're a sensitive little guy

The Chiefs have been dominant this year.

If you're implying only one team can be dominant, sure, you'd have a coherent point.

Edited:

The fact that you honed in on, and got caught up on, one simple term to imply a good season by an 11 win playoff team with the second best QB in the league, shows your lack of awareness.