I'd be looking for another catcher to give Yadi more time iff

No one. Literally. No one.

Corey Hart
Morse
Kevin Youkilis (36 and played in Japan last year but is a total brokedick)
Michael Cuddyer (will command too much)
Billy Butler (is a DH only)
Mark Reynolds

Maybe Soto as a backup C, but given Yadi's refusal to leave the lineup, can you even get him to sign in such a reduced role?

I was thinking before the postseason on adding a power hitting 3B and moving carpenter to 2B. But now Wong's mental stability has caught up to his bat speed. No way you trade for 3B or 2B. Adams is set at 1B.

I just hate Jay.

If jay could be what he was this year, you could move carp into the 2 hole.

I'd look at moving Rosenthal for something. Use that money ton fix the pen

Better backup catcher and backup 1B. But in reality not much more there to upgrade next year.


Pitching we are set. Give rosenthal a chance to start. He's toast as a reliver anyway. He flames out in spring training, no harm no foul.

Let neshek walk and go get a legit set up man

I heard Strauss on the radio this week saying that the Cardinals can afford a $150 million payroll and still make $20-$30 million profit next year.

But, who do we buy? We have no positions open.

Even if Rosenthal isn't a closer, he still has value as a power arm out of the pen. Trading him doesn't accomplish anything unless he's packaged for a bigger piece.

Thats a no brainer. No way can he repeat this season.

Frankly, I think he's better as aneeded 8th inning guy mentality wise

Spending money to spend money is inviting disaster.

If you were going to increase payroll, the thing to do would be to buy out the arb years of Wong and Adams this year, and if his production looks legit, Oscar and Wacha in 2016.

The only other way to spend money intelligently would be to work a trade that brought in Stanton while also extending him for five years.

Oh, and we have another six-ish coming off with Motte leaving.

Andrew miller would be a pen option

I might buy low on Geovany Soto and see if he could play some first and catch

I would never recommend signing BP FA's. They are relievers b/c they aren't good enough to start.

The Dodgers just pissed away $30 million on League, Wilson, and some other ****ing scrub whose name escapes me in one year alone.

No way I'm moving oscar for Stanton

Oh I agree. We can't compete with the $2-$8 billion cable TV contracts. We have to buy a couple of post arbitration years of our core players. Garcia and Craig contracts didn't work out but that Carpenter deal looks pretty sweet now.

All I hear is how hard Wong works to make himself better. Give him some money. Big dudes who hit home runs don't grow on trees. Give Adams some money too.

Lynn is going to want a ton of money. Thats where you throw some of that extra money.

Wacha has to wait until the shoulder is stabilized, if it ever does. I wouldn't give Miller one either.

New core guys to build around:
Carpenter
Wong
Adams
Taveras
Lynn

Shelby is gonna be great if he can continue to develop his secondary stuff.

Would you look to move anyone for a legit lefty?

Aramis is a fa. He seems to always kill us, bring him aboard

You can see how Marco develops.

I want a power lefty damn it.

I think it's time to start looking post Yadi although he had a much lighter workload this year

I hope the ****ing around with oscar is done though.

Is he one of Matheny's guys? If not, no he will be ****ed with more.

Probably so.

Well, anyway fellas, I'm signing off. Was a successfulyear yet disappointing end. Lotta frustration and ups and downs.

Get everyone healthy and let's go finish is one off next year.

Yadi is under contract through 2017. The org hasn't been able to develop a suitable replacement yet, and you'll likely never find a great catcher in FA.

Doesn't really matter if you have a power lefty if you have a healthy Wacha. His change destroys LHB.

I think it's a grass is greener thing.

I dunno what we'll do at catcher post yadi. I'm sad thinking about it.

In any manner, seems the best way to improve next year will be from within and shoring up the pen

That and firing Matheny.

Take all that extra money and throw it at Maddon?

**** if I know, i'm drunk and know litte about bball, just wondering do you know about the experience of this giants club from the past half decade compared to the royals lol

If they add some legitimate bench strength, get rid of captain concussion and that abortion Mabry, they've set themselves up to be good for a while. They're pretty young except Holliday and Yadi

Suck it, losers

@miklasz Matheny about not using Rosenthal: "We can't bring him in, in a tie-game situation. We're on the road.”

Tim McKernan @tmckernan ·
They're actually making fun of Mike Matheny on MLB Network. They're laughing at the decisions.


Washington Post rips Matheny a new one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...773_story.html

Deadspin: Mike Matheny managed the Cardinals right out of the playoffs:
http://deadspin.com/mike-matheny-man...ium=socialflow

I meant to say: Wainright Is a machine so game 5 looks good unless your manager goes full tard and pulls him early. Yeah StL fans should be a bit irked no doubt.

:LOL:

I've had that texted too me/posted on my Facebook wall a few times today.

Royals fans are straight trolling.

This is bizzaro world.

That is about as good as a 4 game series can get. Cardinals organization and fans are a class act IMO. Thanks for letting a Giants fan hang out with you through the series.

I think that the media and others that are saying you are lucky are FOS. You guys make things happen. You don't screw up. You have a manager not fazed by the moment.

Game on the line. Your closer hasn't given up a run in a month. Doesn't matter, he gets pulled for the best match up possiblity. Our manager puts in a guy who hasn't pitched in a month.

You earned the WS berth. Congrats!

I guess you can go get that WS ticket now.

Just a little fun once every 3 decades or so. :D

Still can't believe Matheny put the Cards' entire season yesterday on a guy who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks. And he's not Ned Yost, so his stupid shit obviously isn't going work out.

I have started looking. I hope this doesn't get too expensive. Initial prices are scary.

Yea, I hope we never lose Botchy.

He is getting killed in every corner of the sports world. It was such a bad move, indefensible.

And to be so arrogant to not have a back up plan. We are just going to keep throwing out the same pitchers that failed.

He was hired because of his leadership and the players would follow him. He has done that. The problem is the X's and 0's are not coming around. He now has the most post season experience of any manager in baseball besides Bouchy. You should not be making dumbass decisions by now.

It's his arogance to stick by his players no matter what even if it means ending your season. I don't know how you change his managing like its High School mentality.

I wasn't in the mood last night but it's all in good fun now.:thumb:

I can.

After seeing the arrogant know it all grin on that shitheads face after Choate got the out in game 4, nothing should surprise you. Matheny actually believes that he is a tactical genius. He is just another dumb jock that thinks he can coach.

That smile pissed me so bad. He's a LOOGY. He walked the first batter. Gave up a hit. And then got a batter out. Thats a cause for celebration? Celebrate your genius? "Your" player and move worked out? WTF, it didn't go as planned at all :#

Matheny is getting killed so bad on every media outlet now Olberman does a piece on his show to ask people to lay off Matheny. His reason.....Matheny is lying to us. He doesn't trust Rosenthal anymore but can't say it.

Here's a good example of the national trashing of our manager

From The Art of Mathenaging:

As a Cardinals fan who has watched Mike Matheny manage his team for three years now, there is a certain cold comfort in seeing the consistent sense of bafflement over his decisions -- the feeling that the person driving the bus doesn't know where he's going, or where the steering wheel is -- go mainstream this postseason. We've known it for three years: Now the rest of you know.

At least Ned Yost seems like a lovable dunce.

I don't follow the Royals. I just know there is a lot of hate towards him. He can't mismanage his bullpen. Any one of those 3 at the end are lights out. What does he **** up that makes them angry?

He mismanaged his bullpen all regular season long. Now that it's the postseason, he gets it. He's been very good thus far, sans leaving Vargas in an out too long game 1 ALDS and the Ventura Wild Card debacle

I'm trying my best, but it is a bit hard to take you seriously with that avatar. Just saying.

So it was only late in the season he settled on your big 3?

He was managing July/August like May baseball. I'm on my phone now I'll give you examples when I'm on a computer.

Reminds me of Larussa in 2011. Managed the bullpen like an idiot during a lot of the regular season then locked in during the postseason.

So the Phillies have made it known they're willing to unload veterans this offseason and are willing to eat salary on it.

Would you move for Hamels?

No way. They'll want decent prospects since they are eating salary. Hamels is making $24 MM over the next four years. They'd have to eat two thirds of that salary to make it a palatable option over our internal options.

If they'd eat that, I'd send them grichuk and a pitcher just so Taveras can play right

And Jon Jay

Them doing that would be like the Marlins taking Stanton for Grichuk, Jay, and Shelby Miller.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs make a move for Hamels. Epstein has said that he wants to compete in 2015 and he's going to try to target 2 pitchers. I'm already betting that 1 of those slots is already filled with Lester. And the Cubs have a plethora of SS's to trade and I'm betting Baez is going to be shipped out for something this offseason because he is not the kind of player Epstein likes, as far as a hitter. Plus, the Cubs claimed Hamels on the waiver wire after the trade deadline.

I would prefer to not move Taveras but if they wanted to try for Stanton.l I guess

Sources: Manager Joe Maddon has exercised an opt-out clause in his contract and is leaving the Tampa Bay Rays immediately.

From Olney

wtf?

Rats are abandoning ship there. Friedman had some poor drafts and got out while the shine was still on him, now Maddon is seeking out greener pastures.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Donnie Baseball get shitcanned now.

Fire Matheny hire Maddon

Lol

This

Rosenthal says he's not heading to LA. Bet he goes to Chicago

Crap, the Cubs are getting ready to be a major pain in the butt.

If we are stuck with Matheny, might as well move Taveras. He will stay in the Matheny doghouse.

Give them Taveras/Martinez/Connley/AA prospect. That should get you Stanton

The Cubs don't care if the $24 million/year blows up in their faces. They have BILLIONS more to spend.

Luck would not be on your side if you traded for Hamels and it ended up biting you in the ass. He's pitched 200+ innings 5 years in a row and just had possibly his best year.

Hamels and any other player like him has a limited maket/interested teams. They have to be a top payroll team to not have it hurt the team if the $100-$200 million players forgets to how to play the game or gets hurt.

Who is in this club?

Yankees
Mets
Dodgers
Angels
Cubs
Detroit


Anyone else?
Nationals
Phillies
White Sox
Rangers

Do you have a point?

Someone said that the Phillies are willing to eat salary to make a deal happen.

Adam Wainwright is making $3m less a year than Hamels with Hamels have 1 more year under contract which is an option year with a buyout.

Only the rich can afford to be wrong on $100-$200 million contracts. Other teams suffer if they are wrong. Rich teams don't. They just move on to the next guy.

Any team making a push for a WS would be stupid to not at least kick the tires on a guy like Hamels.

30 year old ace who's pretty much a lock for 200+ IP.

Waino had elbow surgery today. His days as an ace seem to be dwindling

Those mother****ing liars.

Again, it needs to be said: trust nothing the Cardinals say about the health of their players.

I don't see how Dewitt can keep any member of that medical staff employed for one more second.

Also, it didn't help that Mr Mushbrain in the dugout thought it was a good idea to have Waino throw 8 billion innings two years in a row following TJ surgery.

No shit. :shake:

How the **** are ever suppose to trust anything they say medically about a player? They changed Doctors and it was suppose to change.

At least the NFL forces teams to be semi-honest about their players.