What is he gets 0 walks?

He's a moron. That .361 number he's throwing out would mean that he only gets 151 ABs the rest of the season. He's currently at 91.

Maybe he can see into the future and knows that Moose will experience a season ending injury in about a month and a half. :shrug:

Assuming he gets the same number of ABs as last year, I believe he needs to hit .260 the rest of the way to finish at .250 for the year. That would be 123 more hits in 472 more ABs.

Correct.

I can't wait for an explanation of his projection.

Loving the callers on 610 this morning,KC Royals passion is alive and well!!

I haven't listened to 610 as much, but I like when the hosts of the shows shut down the morons.

People don't understand how passionate this City is about baseball. They just want a reason to care. The fact that so many people are upset about yesterday's game shows you that people have bought in, and want to step behind this Team. It also shows how sensitive the fan base is to failure. They have seen so much of it over the last 3 decades that they are sensitive to the fact that when it gets bad, it goes South very quickly here in KC.

:thumb:

Still remember back in the late 70's to mid 80's when Royals Stadium would sell out on weeknights.

I thought you DIDN'T make up stats?

:thumb:

I think cautious optimism is the mood of most of the fan base right now. The fans have always been there but have had nothing to root for. 2003 was a punch to the gut and they don't want that to happen again.

Hopefully once the summer starts the ballpark will start to fill up and David Glass can stuff his pockets with all that beer and hotdog money.

These projections have already been disproven, but there is another failure in logic here that I would like to point out:

If Moose were to hit .300 the rest of the way, the extra offense he provided would obviously be a great benefit to the team. Why would it matter that he finished the season with a .250 avg (again, the math is off, but I don't care about that)?

It wouldn't matter. So give it a rest, man.

I like sabermetrics/numbers/splits/all of that shit.. but it seems like a few people are getting a little smug with their (perceived) sabermetric superiority.

And here are the facts, Prison Bitch:

Since you went pissy-pants bitching about how Moose needed to be sent down to "send him a message" that his struggles "would not be tolerated," he has shown real signs of life and started to play and hit much better.

He's coming off of an 8-game stretch in a week in which he has posted a triple slash of .320/.414/.480

He's not likely to maintain that for the rest of the season, but IF he did, his final line would look like this:

.300/.393/.483 (.876 OPS)
20 HR | 43 2B | 86 BB

Your thoughts at the time were an overreaction, as many pointed out here (I remember Al and I saying he should be given through the Cleveland series to start showing improvement). You continue banging that drum - I can only guess because you like being right - even though Moustakas has picked it up significantly, starting with that series.

Oh, and here's the last fact I'll point out to you: You just joined CoMO Chief on my ignore list. Congrats.

Prison bitch doesn't believe the stuff he posts... He's angling simply to get rises out of people.

Good work, Rex.

It's true that we have posters who don't believe the stats. It is a conspiracy of MLB to manipulate their numbers. And I'm in on it. :p

You send a guy down "to show them you're serious" when they don't take a professional approach to their craft and/or they aren't putting in the work. I've only ever heard the opposite of these two. Hard workers, team leaders, etc. IF you decided to send them down, it's because you want to give them a mental break or you have some adjustments you'd like them to work on away from major league pitching.

As has been stated, both guys have had better at bats the last week or so. When we decided to go young, there's a level of patience that must be demonstrated. We want to win now, but we all understand that to do that, these young guys have to hit. They know that more than anyone, and their own futures depend on it. I don't think they need to be reminded how serious this is.

I wish they were Ryan Braun/Mike Trout/Evan Longoria types that came up and immediately raked. But, that's not the case. Let's hope they improve, and if they do, we'll have a really good time watching that happen.

Please tell me how you came up with .361 for Moose to reach .300 at the end off the year.

Yeah if we assume he does play nearly every game you would be right he'd end at .282. I assumed he'd only get 4 months but you are probably right that he's here to stay for good hell or high water.

Neither of us know if the duo is being professional or not and I'm not taking a position on that today because it doesn't really matter. They are bad players right now, they are not improving, an their slumps are not confined to this year. I don't know why they are this bad.

I wonder if its a hitting coach deal or poor development or what but it has to alarm te front office as this drags on endlessly. We have produced one outstanding bat since Beltran and another good one. Who took 5 years to click. Other teams produce good bat consistently. Questions need to be asked.

I don't mean to pile on, but if he's hitting at a .360-something clip for longer than a week, he's not going to be sent down no matter what his season averages say. The Royals would go "Eureka! He's turned the corner!"

Ok, just for fun, how many ABs do you think he gets in that 4 months?

We may have forgotten, but a couple weeks ago, the Royals said they identified his problem (stepping into his swing too early, leading to weak popups) and were working on it.

It may be a coincidence, but in his last 10 games (I think, my math might be off) he's been batting .300/.400/.500

9/30, 2 doubles, 1 HR, 5 BBs. Went back to the last Detriot game.

Don't they care to fix Hosmer?

I know you're just trolling now, but have you seen how many balls Hos has hit HARD right at people lately?

No. I know he hasn't hit a single HR yet. If Ross Gload were doing this people would go nuts. Anyway pinetarpress has a good article on what's killing him. Inside pitches. He can't turn on them. Saps his power. Has to adjust.

Baltimore Forecast -

Today:
Showers and thundershowers likely. High 68F. Winds E at 10 to 20 mph.

Tonight:
Showers and thundershowers this evening giving way to periods of light rain late. Low 62F. Winds E at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that Hosmer still has work to do. Comparing him to Ross Gload is ****ing stupid though.

If Gload was doing this, I would say it's just Ross ****ing Gload.

Are you ready to admit that you were just pulling numbers out your ass regarding Moose? I'm not sure why I even waste my time engaging you.

Hey, let's give him some credit, he did propose platooning Salvy, after all.

I just scored 5 decent Upper Deck tickets to next Monday's game in Crapaheim for a total of $25 on StubHub. I am so pumped to get there and watch our Royals do work!

and give the pitchers a black eye if they fail

Then don't. I really don't care what you do, it's not going to change the fact these guys are in a slump that isn't temporary. It goes back to last year, and frankly it's been so long since they were even above-replacement level players. You can laugh it off and say it's ok for them (but not Gload) to produce like they are, but other Royals fans completely disagree.


Regardless I can guarantee you the FO is worried about it. They know they can't win if these two don't snap out of it quickly. Even DM admitted they were worried about this when he said they (FO & scouts) were split on whether to demote Hos last May.

Well what the mother**** is going on here?

HAARP

LMAOLMAO

Still can't believe that.

Attending Cards vs Royals game in Saint Louis sporting Royals gear, is that okay or would you recommend against it?

It doesn't sound too bad to me.

You'll have to point out where exactly I said that.

God is not a Royals fan

You'll be fine. I've done it before.

Kings of Kaufmann posted an update about Yordano Ventura that includes some nice video of him.

Check it out.

The thing that's crazy about Ventura is that he produces crazy velocity and isn't max effort. There are a lot of guys his size that produce that type of velocity (Lincecum, Bauer, Timmy Collins), but they are much faster down the hill than Ventura.

Looking at his mechanics, his arm action is easy and he has nice shoulder/hip separation and whip (which is why he throws so hard despite being 5-11/160). He's not getting much of that velo from crazy mechanics or max effort, which is probably why injuries have not been an issue with him so far.

His load is good, which means elbow health shouldn't be a major issue for him. A lot to like there.

He actually reminds me a little of Bob Gibson, which is weird (considering Gibson was a monster and had 1960s mechanics). But the way he loads and the separation/rotation he gets as he delivers the pitch remind me of Gibby.

As Al said, I have worn Royals gear in Stl with little to no problem, they are such MLB snobs that they don't care a whole lot.

Looks like a shoulder injury just waiting to happen. Why hasn't someone taught him to use his legs?

Hoch or Crow to close tonight, if needed. Per 810.

LMAO. Mother**** you, Yost.

I don't he's at much risk of any arm/elbow/shoulder injury. Or at least no more than anyone else who throws 1000 pitches in a month for a living.

His arm action is pretty clean and easy. As long as his core remains strong, I think he probably stays healthy (it takes a very strong and durable core to maintain that hip and shoulder separation).

I know they've spent a lot of time working with him to slow down his mechanics, and shortening a stride is often a common tactic to accomplish that. That might be a factor here. Even so, you don't get that velocity out of that body without tremendously strong hip and land leg drive.

Small window to get game in 7 to 9

Well, Crow then

Holland and Herrera threw an awful lot of pitches last night. If they aren't available, then your options are Hoch, Crow, Gutierrez, Chen, or Collins. I think we can drop Gutierrez and Collins right off the bat, so its Hoch, Crow, or Chen. Chen is probably out as lefty+long-relief.

Hoch should be out, but only because we here hate him, thinking he's a mental midget who becomes a mess with a close lead or runners on base, but without that added information/baggage/bias, people might be entranced by his sub-1 ERA, 12 K's, and 3 BB's.

edit: also, if you were, hypothetically speaking, sick of Holland and seriously considering Hoch for closer, you'd have to do the first audition on the road where he can't get boo'd.

You will be fine.

LMAO This South Park clip reminds me of Cardinal fans.
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STL fans will applaud when you enter and leave. This annoyance aside, things should run smoothly.

Plus the "why do you cheer for a minor league team" stuff.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...tch-1-783v.jpg

Just make sure to remind that they're the best fans in baseball and you'll be fine

They will tell you that a LOT.

http://peterdaou.com/wp-content/uplo.../09/morans.jpg

Not worried. Santana will throw 9 scoreless.

Nats game already cancelled. Been raining in DC all day

Well that should make PrisonBitch happy since he swallows.

We're looking good. Not supposed to rain until 10.

http://i.imgur.com/06lCuDh.png

No problem,I went to a Cards/Cubs game wearing Cubs gear and the Cubs won and had no problems.

Mother nature doesnt have a watch.

Gotta let the closer do his job. Don't want to send a starter out to the 9th to let him take the loss. /Yost

This season, I've learned that weather.com's hourly thing is a dirty lying bastard. Or at least, it is comically late to update.

I remember one of the rainouts, with a half hour to gametime if you went by the hourly update you might think "eh, I think we'll get in 5 innings, no problem", but if you looked at the radar there was obviously no friggen' way.

No game thread for tonight? We are DOOMED!!

Someone needs to make one. Just put a tarp on it, it'll be fine.

You all ready to take your beatin'?

Chen starting tonight? WTF?

Heh.

Be prepared to defend yourself at all times. It's war out there.

Not really. I've done it a few times. Only time I've ever really taken crap was when the Royals gave up a walkoff in the 14th inning once. That sucked. Otherwise the worst I've seen has just been ribbing about Denkinger, etc, even though the best fans in the history of sport have forgotten that series ever happened.

Actually...I got a bad feeling about this one. Last August we had a rain-affected game and the Royals teed off on Chen. (That's Wei-Yin)

It's all going according to plan.

Mike Moustakas in his past 10 games:

.367 AVG
.441 OBP
.633 SLG

Send him down!

but the stats don't lie, Duncan.

Overall he's still .219 .294 .333

He, Hosmer and Salvy are absolutely killing this team and need to be sent to Omaha, stat!

Here's your stat of the day. There is only one batter on the team with a Negative WAR right now (including backups).

Say 'ello to Frenchy and his -0.3 thus far.

Time for Guthrie to stop this little losing skid.....time for a little feel good juju.
Next 5 posters in this thread get positive rep from me.

Beat the Boids!!!

He'll be motivated, pitching against his old team.

His problem at Camden in the past was always keeping the ball in the yard. If he can do that, the Royals can take this.

Also, how long until Chris Tillman is out of baseball? 25 year old RHPs who are "Lighting up" the gun at 87-89 generally are not long for the MLB world...

He's on pace to be -2+ again.

looking for three more

Cartoon birds don't scare me. Go Royals!

Lets avoid the sweep