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Post # 7178

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...08#post9818908

I didn't think Guthrie should've been extended. not traded for. That's the real issue, hence the reference to the $8m.

Just to finish that trade talk.

Tell Sully to do a better job "understanding big boy words" next time.

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ROFL

Yeah. That was clearly your point, considering the entire conversation was about good or bad trades.

Anytime you need me to help you refine your thoughts, just let me know. :D

Anyone who reads that line f discussion knows exactly what you were saying, as do you. So pretending you weren't talking about the trade makes you look even funnier (unintentionally).

Are we in the 2013 Repository? Must be, since people are still arguing with PB

Also...

Jeremy Guthrie didn't make $8 million last year. He made $5 million. He makes $8 million this year (His original contract was set up to run $5 million/$11 million/$9 million, but he deferred $3 million of salary from this year into a buyout of his 2016 option.)

So you were just wrong on that point.

The Royals also ended up getting league-average numbers from Guthrie last year, over 211 2/3 IP. Which is not world beater stuff but DOES have value (even at $8 million, if you get 200 league average out of a guy, you're getting pretty good value).

He's had two very rough starts in July (that have added 3/4 of a run to his ERA), but I bet we look up at the end of the year and see what we saw last year: 200 or more league average innings. WAR figures are going to hate Guthrie, always, because he doesn't strike many batters out, but guys who can get through 200 IP at a decent No. 4 starter level of performance do have value in baseball.

He's got a 3 year $25m contract, not sure why you're arguing when it's allocated. If he only made $5m last year then he'll kill us at $12m next year. It's ultimately all the same.



The point remains: he's a decent player, but not worth 8.3/per. And certainly not for a small market. We have to be careful with our limited dollars.

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Because you'd certainly pick at a point like that if someone made that type of oversight when discussing things with you. And you know it.

He doesn't make $12 million next year. He makes $9 million.

When the Royals have to spend on the open market for players, if they get them at a fair market value deal (without having to overspend), that's fine. Guthrie signed for pretty fair market value.

When guys like Ricky Nolasco and Scott Feldman are signing $12 million dollar/year deals over the past offseason, there's really no room to complain about Guthrie making $8 or 9 million.

Interesting. If the Royals could trade Billy Butler, that creates an open spot in the lineup (making a 1B/DH/LF type more easily fit into the mix) as well as freeing up some salary for a player. Opens up some more options, which could be a good thing.

You'd be selling extremely, extremely low on Butler, but there are few other options at this point. They aren't picking up his option and certainly wouldn't make him a qualifying offer if they had the chance or choice.

There's a chance he rebounds and has a strong second half, but it's not a very great chance. You'd be going more on blind faith and hope than anything else.

What could we get for him? Butler hasn't done much this year, but it would sort of be throwing in the towel on the year unless we went after another bat.