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duncan_idaho 07-14-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Ass (Post 10746288)
Substitute Crow for Herrera, but instead of Ventura or Duffy why not tempt them Wade Davis and they can convert him to a starter. He is cost-controlled the next few years which should help them out in their decision.

I wouldn't mind parting with Dyson, Aoki, Collins, Guthrie or Hayes, either. The Marlins can take their pick. ;)

Wade Davis makes something like $15 milllion over the next two years. Doubt the Marlins want any part of that, especially considering his huge failure as a starter last year despite the advantages of the Royals D and home park.

His best value is going to come in trying to sell him to a team that needs a closer.

They wouldn't want any of Dyson, Aoki, Collins, Guthrie or Hayes. Those players have practically no value to the Marlins and very little value to other teams in general.

A team in desperate need of innings might be interested in picking up Guthrie as its No. 4 or 5 starter, but that's about it.

Dyson is a pretty ordinary 4th OF, despite the beliefs of Ned Yost and Dayton Moore. Aoki has a 1/2 year left and has been disappointing so far. Collins is a middle inning reliever who is struggling mightily (and also is undersized, expensive). Hayes is effing awful.

You have to trade value (talent, years of control) to get value. Moving spare parts around doesn't get you anything.

The Marlins don't need Kelvin Herrera. That doesn't add much value, either.

Again, trade talks with them would have to START with:

RA Mondesi
One of Duffy/Ventura (or maybe Zimmer if you're really lucky)
One of Almonte/Binford

And additional pieces (this is where you maybe throw in a Kelvin Herrera and a Jorge Bonifacio).

BWillie 07-14-2014 01:50 PM

I dunno guys, I say we just go get Giancarlo Stanton, Trout, & Bryce Harper. Throw in Bubba to get Kershaw too.

WhawhaWhat 07-14-2014 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10746304)
I dunno guys, I say we just go get Giancarlo Stanton, Trout, & Bryce Harper. Throw in Bubba to get Kershaw too.

The Dodgers will probably want Butler included as well.

teedubya 07-14-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10746304)
I dunno guys, I say we just go get Giancarlo Stanton, Trout, & Bryce Harper. Throw in Bubba to get Kershaw too.

I'm in. I will begin the printing tickets for the 'ship.

Bowser 07-14-2014 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10746304)
I dunno guys, I say we just go get Giancarlo Stanton, Trout, & Bryce Harper. Throw in Bubba to get Kershaw too.

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Prison Bitch 07-14-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Ass (Post 10746288)
Substitute Crow for Herrera, but instead of Ventura or Duffy why not tempt them Wade Davis and they can convert him to a starter. He is cost-controlled the next few years which should help them out in their decision.

I wouldn't mind parting with Dyson, Aoki, Collins, Guthrie or Hayes, either. The Marlins can take their pick. ;)

Please stop spamming the board with stupid trade proposals. This is a place for knowledgable fans to post and you're cluttering it.

Chiefspants 07-14-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10746351)
Please stop spamming the board with stupid trade proposals. This is a place for knowledgable fans to post and you're cluttering it.

LMAO We should platooon Salvy guiuse!!!11!1!1!

C3HIEF3S 07-14-2014 02:50 PM

All Royals fans need to know about Giancarlo Stanton is that he will never be a Royal.
It's a worthless discussion.

Three7s 07-14-2014 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10746392)
All Royals fans need to know about Giancarlo Stanton is that he will never be a Royal.
It's a worthless discussion.

Hey, he might......15 years from now.

Deberg_1990 07-14-2014 03:46 PM

Hosmer and Moose were supposed to be our Giancarlo Stanton.

TLO 07-14-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10746351)
Please stop spamming the board with stupid trade proposals. This is a place for knowledgable fans to post and you're cluttering it.

You know what else clutters this thread? Your ****ing sig.

Jive Ass 07-14-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10746351)
Please stop spamming the board with stupid trade proposals. This is a place for knowledgable fans to post and you're cluttering it.

Look, throw in Raúl Ibañez or Danny Valencia if we have to. We need to do whatever it takes to get Stanton...

It could lead us to our second World Series Championship in two years.

Anyong Bluth 07-14-2014 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10745894)
His max HR's in a yr was 21 - which he did once. He hasn't hit 20 HR's since 2009. Since when is that considered BIG POWER? Only for the R's I guess.....JFC

:banghead:

No shit! It seems like the Royals have adopted the tried and true Walmart practice of always scouring the bargain bin when it comes to player acquisition in-season / come the trade deadline. It's always rummaging through the scrap heap of past their prime, trading off their name and actual production in previous years, but obviously not that "player" any longer.

Anyong Bluth 07-14-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10746072)
If they don't bring in another bat, they should get rid of Ibanez. He's pretty much a guaranteed out every time he bats. I'd platoon Dyson and Aoki (Dyson batting over .300 against RHP, Aoki batting over .350 against LHP). I'd bring back Colon. He showed some spunk. It might be my imagination but I think Colon's presence and great rookie game seemed to light a fire under Infinte. Colon also gives the Royals a legitimate backup at SS and 2nd.

My main determinant of the plausibility of the Royals making a playoff spot this year, at least for me, personally, lies squarely on what they do or don't do up to the trade deadline. Specifically, the ability to add a legitimate bat or 2 to the lineup. Ideally, I would 1st look for a guy who is a consistent hitter by average or in combination with drawing walks to have a high on base percentage. Might even be able to offer some guidance and instruction to our other guys on better working the count and drawing walks??

Secondly, if they got more than 1 bat, as unlikely as that is realistically, I'd look for a good masher, power guy who I could live with a lower BA, if it meant a true instant offense, and not another warning track power bat.
Anything to truly provide incentive and competition for guys like Billy or Moose to either produce or spend their time on the pine or DFA would be a huge difference in creating greater incentive / motivation- even though these guys are professionals and, really, there shouldn't be any reason to need to dangle a bigger carrot to get them to do their jobs already!

I'm not sold on the organization actually being bold and aggressive in acquiring 1 or more guys to improve before the deadline, but I'm hoping I'm pleasantly dead wrong!

BWillie 07-14-2014 04:44 PM

I was watching Moneyball last night, a movie that discussed the run the Athletics had like two ****ing decades ago. Not only did they play the Royals, & beat the Royals to have the longest winning streak in baseball history, but Raul Ibanez was playing on it. He's that old. And thank the good lord we are lucky enough to have him batting .149


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