He's a Royals fan. I think your in trouble with them. Unless they get yousted.

We beat whoever. NL is weak. Who is SF's DH?

The Royals have been hitting quads for 8 straight hands. It'll be interesting to see whether luck can cancel out. Will be fun either way.

I do not feel confident at all.

Probably the guy who hit the home run in the 7th. Mike Morse

What a great response... "they are like a bunch of cockroaches."

Morse. The guy who hit one to Bikini Atoll off of Neshek in the 8th.

I don't think it matters. They won a World Series two years ago in a game where they started Ryan Theriot at DH. Whoever it is will be better than that.

Well, I guess I can put that $750 back into my savings that I was spend on a WS ticket.

Now I understand why Cardinal fans hate Matheny so much. Maybe you guys get lucky and he catches Ebola in the offseason.

Completely don't get it at all and hardly surprised he had a hard time throwing strikes with that much time off.

Apparently the worst manager in MLB was too much to overcome.

Congrats Giants.

I've seen the Cardinals season walked off in pretty stupid fashion, like the Tony Womack squeeze fail that ended up as the game winning single in the '02 LDS, but goddamn, that was something else.

Another former Mariner.

I'm sorry guys. Like Hamas said, when that ball came off the 3rd baseman's and into the SS, I looked at my wife and said "That looked downright Royal".

Matheny: Everyone after the first couple of pitches was going why haven't you pitched him before now? I'll put him right back in there again.

His velocity was there. His command wasn't there. MLB players can hit straight 97 fastballs today without an issue. Especially ones over the middle of the plate.

There is a damn ton of luck in baseball. Just ask Nelson Cruz about catching flyballs.

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

Damn.

Was hoping for a I-70 series.

50% of this thread is us bitching about how much of a stooge Matheny is.

We know you aren't trolling.

That sucks.....sorry guys. **** the Giants.

His bullpen management is horrible. He just put a pitcher who hadn't thrown in 3 weeks out there with the season on the line.

He sticks with "his guys" no matter how they perform. Alan Craig didn't just hit .200 for 4 months, he looked horrible doing it. He was going to keep running him out there no matter what. We don't even make the playoofs or win the division. Its one of "his guys".The GM had to trade him to stop the madness.

Choate is a LOOGY. He has walked 5 out of his first 8 batters. RH hit .385 against him. so what does he do last night? With the game on the line he lets him pitch to TWO RH bats.

I could go on and on.

Sorry about your season ending Cardinal fans. You guys will be back there next year so no worries.

Matheny putting Wacha in that situation=Me expecting my students to read and retain everything in Finnegan's Wake in a single sitting.

Does anyone truly trust Martinez vs. lefties? Matheny is an idiot and I want him gone but the bullpen shit the bed these last 3 games.

Matheny manages about as well as he invests in Real Estate.

It's incredibly hard to get there. That's why you can't piss away chances on stupidity.

Holliday is 35 next year, Wainwright, Peralta, and Molina 33.

The great Cardinal farm system of a few years ago is mostly exhausted of all its position talent.

This might be the last night of this era.

Inexcusable to put a guy out there in that situation that hasn't pitched in a ****ing month.

:LOL:

Great game Waino

Martinez probably serves one up but at least it would have been the right decision I guess.

Would have left Wainwright in till his arm fell off.

what were Matheny's qualifications to take over for LaRussa, anyways?

He was cheap

They could have had Francona

He could have struck out the side just as easily. He gets beat, at least you go down with your best option pitching. You can live with that.

Went bankrupt on a multimillion dollar real estate boondoggle to the point where his checks are still being garnished.

Managed his son's baseball team

Suffered several concussions

Sliced his hand open the day before the ****ing playoffs began in 2000

I think that pretty much covers it.

He showed up big time. Got better as the game went along. Big balls performance tonight. Too bad Matheny ****ed his effort.

Not technically a sweep but that's the first time they lost 3 games in a row to an opponent at home or away this season.

For Christ sake can we see Tavares everyday in right next year?

Need this next young wave to take the torch though. Good to see Wong, Adams, Carp Grichuk Tavares and company get some experience tho

Cardinal postseason baseball.....win by the turd die by the turd. This time Itchycowa ROFL

I see the Post-dispatch website is broken.

I'm sure they are melting down.

Yeah yeah the team has had all this "success"...Fire Matheny he will never learn.

As they should be. I know this will not get Matheny fired but hopefully enough pressure is applied for him to change.

Bouchy yanked his closer who hasn't gave up a run in a whole month to bring in his best matchup. No ****ing way Matheny pulls Rosenthal is the same situation.

Couldn't agree more. You never can take the current chance for granted because assuming you will be back at the same place and better after another season is just unrealistic. You never know when guys will suddenly get shitty, UCLs go or your personnel moves stop working.

There is still enough talent to win next year.

Carpenter
jay/grichuk platoon?
Holliday
Adams
Oscar
Peralta
molina
Wong
pitcher

Waino
Wacha
Lynn
Shelby
lackey/?

Yeah, but the pieces have to fall in place.

We have seen the best versions of Adam Wainwright and Yadi Molina. Peralta is not going to put up 5.6 WAR next year, and Holliday has begun his decline curve.

On top of that, Jon Jay just had a career year.

Let us not forget that John Mabry is still the hitting coach and Matheny the manager. Even if Adams were to morph into a 35 HR behemoth and Oscar look like Vlad Guerrero, Matheny proved this week that he can **** up any situation.

He is the Sword of Damocles that hangs over every season.

I have no faith that Jay will repeat a .300 season. His arm is weak. His trade value is as high as it will ever be. He is one of Matheny's guys. We should trade all them except for Molina until he gets the ****ing message that its about the team, not individual players.

Look at the Rangers:

They get to the Series in 2010 and 2011. They have Hamilton, Napoli, Beltre, Kinsler, Andrus, and Nelson Cruz. On top of that, they had the #1 prospect in baseball (Profar) and a CIF who was killing the ball and cruising through their system.

They didn't win either won and haven't won a PO game since.

They were the worst team in baseball this year. Now, Olt is a Cub who looks like Rob Deer and Profar had one of the worst rookie seasons imaginable before blowing his shoulder out this year.

Every team has to have it fall into place. Just get to the playoffs and hope your the hot team. Look at the Royals.

For every declining Holliday/peralta there is a rising Adams/Wong/Taveras.

Wacha gonna have to stay healthy. Shelby continues to develop. Really need a lefty in the rotation.

And a 3rd base/1st base bench power bat to give Adams a day off

Between grichuk and piscotty you hope holidays replacement is there. You won't get his production from them though

Holliday is here for 2 more years. No matter how fast he declines, Matheny will run him out there.

Oscar is gonna be a star though. Legit middlemail of the order bat.

I'd be open to moving Jay, although I'm not sure he hasn't really come into his own

Hamas, I think I read that we already got our money back on the Holliday contract. Performance for money received stat. You know about that stat?

Taveras is perfectly capable of replacing Holliday's production.

OT can hit .300/20/100 as a #3 hitter. He's not there yet but hitting .500 as a pinch hitter in the post season says he won't wilt under the bright lights. Unless Matheny ****s him up.

Hopefully, yes

Changes every year. Used to be around $5 mill per WAR, now it's closer to $7. At five mil per, we'd need 24 WAR from him. He's given us just a shade under 25.

It's been a good deal.

I'd see if I could make a deal for Stanton wit out moving oscar.

Doubtful

I am still very optimistic about next year and probably much more than I was going into this season. I worry about any news we may hear about Wainwright's elbow before next season though.

:spock: riiiiiiiiiight

Same article said that out of those $100 million baseball contracts only 1 in 25 or some odds like that ever get their moneys worth. That true too? If so.........

Matheny's dumbassery managing aside, Do the Cardinals worry about getting more out of Holliday or do they back off and say we got out money back. And slowly phase him out? Drop him in the order?

I'm also hopeful that playoff Wong that seemed to realize his potential is the Wong we way get going forward.

Young guys need confidence. Hopefully Adams Wong and Oscar got a bunch of it

:LOL: Not in the real world.

The only position we have open IMHO is CF. Who needs to be traded? Holliday but he ain't going anywhere. You don't trade wong or Adams now. Peralta but he probably got a no trade clause.

Trade Jay and a Taveras or Martinez for a power hitting CF, if those still exist.

Grichuk gives you pop in CFrance but it's not really a big deal. Competition was great for Jay though. I'd let him and Peter aND grichuk slug it out again

And Oscar is untouchable. Seriously not movable.

He's gonna be a star

I wish you guys would have won now these resident Giants fans seem douchey

The only real avenues toward improvement that the Cardinals have this offseason are on the bench. They need a RH bench bat that can platoon w/ Adams against lefties.

CF is bereft of FAs, so if you are trading Jay, what are you trading him for?

He was still a 3+ WAR player this year and one of the ten best hitters in baseball in the second half.

He's still a productive player, but it probably would be wise to use him more judiciously in the future to avoid injuries and fatigue.

Maybe Wong, Taveras and Adams can each give you 20 home runs each or all together give you 60 home runs. Holliday gives you 15. Peralta gives you 18. Grichek or the other OF gives you 12. Carpenter hits 12.

That gets us to 130 home runs.

Who's out there for that role?

He also keeps himself in great shape.

FWIW, the team will have another $13 million to play with on the bench because they'll be free of the Wigginton and Ellis disasters, and Craig was scheduled to make $5.5.