Plus we're not even mentioning the fact that there was a HUGE jump in viewers because Notre Dame played in the Championship game.

This means you get Chicago and New York plus all the other big Northeast cities when usually college football is toiling away trying to convince everyone that Birmingham is a bustling metropolis.

I'm right here you dried up nipple.

I will admit I might have gotten that statement wrong. I searched a couple of Beaker threads where the convo was going on. The closest I could find was you calling Hamas a moron for suggesting Kansas should have been a 3 seed. Admittedly I didn't go through all the KU threads, but I'll concede. It's not like you were AGAINST the idea, though, given how you continually vastly overrated KU this year. ;)

Perhaps college football should consider spreading out their games better so they could equal College Basketball's viewership numbers and ad dollars.

Thanks. That's all I was looking for. You're a stand up guy, no matter what others may say about you.

I don't even know what that means or what you're trying to say? Do you?

I don't think anyone has ever tried to argue that March Madness is a bad draw or not popular. It's an incredibly well put together tournament that brings in millions of viewers and TONS of money. That being said, hoops still doesn't trump college football...in viewership, money, relevance, popularity, etc.

Regular season college basketball is even worse. Roughly 80% of all televised games drew between a 0.0 and 0.4 TV rating. Do you know what that equals out to? About 550,000 viewers. On the absolute high end. That's pathetic and there's basically nothing else that needs to be said about the relevance of the CBB regular season. NO ONE CARES.

Just for fun, let's continue though: Of all televised regular season CBB games in the entire 2013-14 season, exactly NINE came in at a 2.0 or higher. NINE. College football knocked out 7 games above 2.0 on a single regular season Saturday, and on average has 4-5/week.

Since basketball is the holy grail at your beloved KU, lets see how many people outside of Lawrence/KC tuned in to watch...
KU-Duke: 2.1 this is the ONE game that was a "decent" national draw
KU-KSU: neither rivalry game against Kstate could even crack 1.0
KU-Florida: 0.9 which most would consider a prime game
KU @ Iowa St 1.1, Iowa St @ KU was a piss poor 0.3 (411k watched this game against ranked opponents!)

Hell, more people watched Mizzou-Alabama bball game than the KU-Texas game on the same day this February. Again I realize the point of this post is not to bag on KU and mainly to show needle dick how irrelevant his favorite sport is, but this is the shit talk thread afterall.

Back to the point. Can you not see all this proof? Nobody cares about CBB until the 3rd weekend in March. The absolute highest rated regular season game in all of college basketball this year was Duke vs Syracuse that registered a whopping 2.9 rating. Texas A&M against RICE did that in week 1 on the college football season! Cant argue facts.

If you have any evidence contradicting this or that shows I'm wrong, please add it to this discussion.

You really didn't address many of the arguments that have been made. I don't recall anyone saying regular season basketball games on Tuesday nights are going to draw what football games on Saturdays will. Seems like a strawman argument.


What is being argued: college football's title game (and BCS games to boot) draw what the hoops title game and Final Four draw. That says a lot. 35 million people attended D1 football games and the same number went to D1 basketball games. Yes there are many more of them but the fact remains people don't just watch basketball, they attend the games too.

It's pure nonsense to say nobody cares about the sport until the tournament. If that were the case nobody would even watch the tournament because there would be zero context. Zero familiarity. Nobody would fill out brackets if they didn't intuitively know - or had seen - why Florida is a better selection than Memphis. All other NCAA sports have tournaments too and there is zero interest in them.


We have also pointed out several times that the ratings for football are a piss in the wind compared to the NFL. So while football is the most popular sport, it's only the NFL version. The year end big games in college draw what the NBA and college hoops draw, miles behind the NFL. What is it about the college version that drives people away?


We've also mentioned that the ratings themselves are extremely concentrated in 1 quadrant of the country. When you cite "relevance" and "popularity", it is critical to couch that in terms of 1 area. The other 3 sections of the country find it neither relevant or popular.


Finally, if anyone really spent any time watching Alabama play Mizzou in basketball, may god have mercy on their souls. I will pray for them.

I didn't watch basketball at all this season till the tournament and I filled out a bracket..I do it every year that way..I watch football all season long..multiple games everyday

Blake just brought it folks. Impressive!!

You and 99 percent of the country. The verdict is in and football runs the show in college sports. Tens of millions agree.

I'm not saying they should. But if a game had meaning, and was against historically good schools that were both currently ranked, I would think if people cared that more than 1 million would tune in, no?


What does that say? I would hope it draws similar. It's the biggest event in the #1 and #2 sports at the college level. That being said, there is a finite interest in every sport. Some people watch and some just don't. Neither are on par with the NFL.

It ISN'T pure nonsense because the numbers prove it's true. Did you miss where only NINE out of 942 CBB games got higher than a 2.0 rating? Or that 770 of those games had 0.5 (about 600k viewers) or lower? Or how about the conference championship games in basketball, which had the six major conferences come in with a COMBINED 8.9 rating when you added them all up? Those were spread out over a Saturday and Sunday, none overlapping, on major networks. The SEC title football game did that by itself. More than the equivalent basketball game for the Big 12, PAC, ACC, SEC, B1G and Big East ALTOGETHER. So again, nobody cares about the sport until March.

Relevance?


You'll have to forgive me...I haven't seen any evidence that shows this. But wouldn't that make sense, considering it's the best conference with the best players? It may be concentrated more in the south, but don't fool yourself that other areas don't care.

Exactly what part (14M) of the country would you guess was watching the Ohio St-Michigan St regular season game? Obviously not the same part (1.3M) that watched KU-KSU in basketball on a Saturday???



This....I will concede to you. Could not possibly agree any more.

All the tourney numbers show is that people really like filling out brackets. With out that it is an even more embarrassing shit show. I had no idea that few people watched regular season coin flip games.

Then why does the Final Four outdraw the BCS games? People sit around on their couches for 5 hours watching basketball games, clutching their brackets?


Idiot.

They are curious who wins the office pool. I have to admit the numbers for hoops are way more pathetic than previously thought. A Duke Pilgrim game draws only 2 million fans ROFL That is sadder than the Arrowhead dozen.

I've posted this data multiple times on the thread, you should be able to locate it easily. Among the top 65 markets in the country, about 50 of them don't watch much college football. The other 15 markets light up the Nielsen meters like a pinball machine. It is also consistent over time.


Among the top-10 markets for the BCS Title game this year, all 10 were in the South. CFA's biggest markets are all located in 1 quadrant and it is indisputable.



You should quote apples to apples. I would bet the KU-KSU football game didn't draw very many folks either. There are plenty of D1 football games that don't get any viewers.

So, southern football teams are a bigger draw in the south ROFL u are a real Norman Einstein

Of course the college football games are going to be rated higher during the regular season. THERE ARE 12 OF THEM.

You're not spreading a team around playing as much as 3-4 times in a week like they do for college basketball. If Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc all played on Saturday only 12 times the numbers would be much, much higher.

March rating are higher of course just like the NFL playoffs are higher than their regular season. Not to mention that CBB playoffs have to go against better weather in the spring which makes it more difficult to keep people inside watching games.

College Football has all the benefits of prime TV viewing. Fact is that a few programs in both sports command big numbers. Otherwise 0-2.0 ratings are very common for everything. Just look at this years college football postseason.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._tv_viewe.html

This argument is dried up a d withered away. The people have spoken and a clear winner emerged.

Check out this veritable "who's who" of America's finest urban spots:

Top 20 College Football Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Austin: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.7 rating
Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
Nashville: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Memphis: 2.5
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-re...three-in-2011/

Outside of tournament time to begin the season, CBB teams play twice a week. CFB teams play once a week. I understand the difference in number of games, but don't pretend that the numbers don't support CFB being a better draw by casting off scheduling as an exuse. The numbers for weekend basketball games, even prime ones against ranked opponents still PALE in comparison to the TV sets watching football. And weather? Seriously? You're reaching, little doe.


You must have missed the part where 80% of CBB games register under 600k viewers or less, a 0.0-0.4 rating. Don't expand that number to 2.0, because a 2.0 rating is a pretty decent rating. It's a number that college basketball surpassed only 9 times in the entire season this year.

So again, show me some numbers that support that people care about CBB before the 3rd weekend in March.

I looked at your link and I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. I see 14 cities on the 2011 top 25 list that are not considered Southeast USA. But again, wouldn't you expect the cities that have good teams to have higher viewership? Or are you laughing by yourself over the fact that most of those are college towns and not major US cities?

Top 20 College Football Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Austin: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.7 rating
Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
Nashville: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Memphis: 2.5

I've bolded the only ones that are in the South. I don't see many cities located in other parts of the country.

Here's the comparable basketball one, from your exact same source:

No. 1 Louisville: 4.5 rating
No. 2 Greensboro: 3.5 rating
No. 3 Kansas City: 2.8 rating
No. 4 Columbus: 2.7 rating
Raleigh-Durham 2.7 rating
No. 6 Charlotte: 2.3 rating
No. 7 Cincinnati: 2.1 rating
No. 8 Dayton: 2.0 rating
No. 9 Indianapolis: 1.8 rating
Knoxville: 1.8 rating
No. 11 Memphis: 1.6 rating
Nashville: 1.6 rating
No. 13 Greenville: 1.5 rating
No. 14 Cleveland: 1.4 rating
Birmingham: 1.4 rating
Las Vegas: 1.4 rating


It appears that people in southern states care about sports more in general as well. I still am not seeing your point that baskeball is a sport that a much larger portion of the country cares about. These show that's not true, just like all the other posts I made on the subject yesterday. You're failing like Cosmo in a DC thread...just quit.

Also, just for icing on the cake, compare the number of markets above 2.0 between the two sports. The CFB has all 29 cities on the link you provided. CBB has a measly 8, with 4 of those coming from the area of the country you think shouldn't count. Argument over.

I'm not going to argue that people care about it more in March. It's the playoffs. Just like the NFL has playoffs. Of course the numbers are going to explode.

Corporations in America know that the affluent CBB viewer might be slightly lower in numbers but the people who watch are much more important than those that watch CFB. This is reflected in the dollars spent.

The NFL and CBB playoffs work so well by gathering extreme numbers and value around a concentrated time that peaks America's excitement.

The same concentration doesn't exist for CFB. If it did perhaps the numbers would be similar to the NFL and CBB.

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyM...18_Madness.jpg

You can unbold Louisville and Las Vegas. As you can see from the data, CBB actually has fans in Michigan, Connecticut, KC/STL, etc. Probably because the "blue bloods" are located across the country and not concentrated in one area. College football won't expand popularity if one quadrant (and one small group of teams therein) win all the time.


The title games and regular season games show much less concentration which I can re-post if you like. To your broader point about there being "overlap", yes. That's correct, I've stated as much. According to Harris Polling, people who watch college football tend to also watch college basketball at some significant level.

College Football is much more regional than other sports. Fans of college football typically don't leave or get jobs outside of the place they were born. Lower income people concentrated in places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc stay close to home all their lives thus the tv numbers reflect this.

Nationwide Mutual, Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Volkswagen, AT&T, Capitol One, etc spend much much more money on CBB because those are the customers that have value.

The bolded is flat out not true. College Bowl games take place during the holiday season, where many people are busy with family, etc. March weather is uneven at best, and frankly, other than the NCAA, nothing else goes on in March, unless you want to count spring training baseball.

Another half truth from hypocritson...who knew?

Monday January 6, 2014

yep, the holidays are in full swing. LMAO

The NBA is in full swing right now, as is the NHL. That's some real stiff competition for March Madness.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/p...ove-and-wolves

There is also another textbook candidate out there for Minnesota to chase with longstanding Wolves ties: Iowa State coach Fred Hoiberg.

Widely regarded as the most NBA-ready college coach in the game, Hoiberg was a Wolves executive for four years before leaving the pros to coach the Cyclones. It should be noted that Saunders is close with Michigan State's Tom Izzo as well, but the rumbles out of 'Sota are getting louder that the Wolves are going to court Hoiberg hard should they, as expected, have an opening.

An opening, rather, that Saunders declines to fill himself.

And all of that makes Friday one of the more pertinent days left on the 2013-14 calendar for long-suffering Wolves fans.

That's because Hoiberg will be coaching Iowa State against UConn in a Sweet 16 game at Madison Square Garden ... and because Saunders will be there watching.

New Years Day offers some fierce viewing competition too.

Let's be honest, Prison Bitch. Why did you cut off your list at top 20? Your link you provided showed the top 25 football markets, did it not? I would imagine you cut it off because the remaining cities did nothing but prove your assertion to be biased bullshit.

Let's look at the remaining cities you conveniently left out:

Cleveland
Raleigh
Detroit
Cincinnati
Richmond
Portland
Kansas City

Also of note...every one of those additional cities came in with a 2.0 average rating or higher. Which brings the list to 29 US cities from your source that average a better than 2.0 TV market for college football.

Refresher for you: Exactly 8 markets in college basketball do the same.

29>>>>>8

You're less troll than Bambi, but not by much.

Captain Dumbsh*t......YOU are the one who tried to use "warmer March temperatures" as a reason for lack of basketball interest.

I love the dipshits who keep posting that basketball is more popular than football.

Only two rounds in the tourney have been played and the NCAA Tournament is averaging a 6.0 rating. AVERAGING…

Only the BCS Bowls had a higher rating in 2013. And we still aren't even to the climax of the CBB season.

This argument was over before it began…

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...8/ratings.aspx

It's not. Pro Football is more popular than Pro Basketball.

College Basketball is more popular than College Football.

No matter how many times you explain to them that the NFL is in a league of it's own popularity-wise, and the NBA/CFA/CBB are miles behind it (and pretty close to each other anyway), they still won't learn.


The reason is simple: they hate KU basketball. That's all there really is to it. Simply downgrade the popularity of basketball, and you downgrade KU's achievements therein. They're only fooling themselves.

But by using that reason people could say KU football is horrible so KU has to hold onto their basketball achievements..so by trying to say basketball is more popular then KU achievements mean more and downgrade football since it's not a strong sport for the school

KU Football fans know their team sucks right now. The goal is to return to the mountaintop where the program was just a few years ago.

Once you've achieved greatness it's very difficult to stop thinking about it.

Holy shit u are a buffoon ROFL

Over and u lost dipshits

Evidence shows otherwise

I don't really know what you're saying here, but I think you are saying that KU has a great basketball program and an irrelevant football program. Which is kinda like Mizzou, except they have an irrelevant basketball program and an irrelevant football program.

Not even the big 12 champs could save the dumpster fire of a tourney for the big bevo. Champs go down to UCONN. Overrated like every year that conference is.

Kentucky getting beast raped as expected

LMAO

SEC getting some big respect tonight.

Incredible win

****ed up my bracket

My kids were still on Christmas break from school, so yeah, they actually were, dumbass.

Ripping this off from Gabe, but has there ever been a conference send 7 teams to the tournament and have 0 get past the round of 16?

Oh, I know . . . . I know . . . . call on me . . . pick me . . .


Is it, the Big 12? The best basketball conference in all the land??

Paper Tigers with RPI slide of hand

Almost everything is happening according to the computers, save for Dayton's run. Of course, not many folks understand analytics or ratings or probability. That's probably what surprises me most about this board since it tends to be much younger and younger people should be embracing data much more, since its now so widely accepted and distributed to the public.

I recall posting all the data this year showing the Chiefs were about the 8th best team, people didn't believe it. They believe it now

But bevo was the best conference

Where and who in this thread has ever said the college football is on the same planet as the NFL?

Here you are making up shit again. You can't shift a topic and deflect like that...no one in their right mind would ever say something as stupid as what you're suggesting.

And I see per usual, you and Bambi are conveniently dodging all the numbers and evidence I gave you to prove you two nitwits incompetent once again.

Pgm claimed "this is a football country", and we corrected him that its an NFL country, not a college football one. That's where it originated. You missed that apparently.

Your quote "No matter how many times you explain to THEM that the NFL is in a league of it's own popularity-wise, and the NBA/CFA/CBB are miles behind it (and pretty close to each other anyway), THEY still won't learn."

You take PGM, you and Bambi's Mizzou doppleganger, saying this is a football country, to mean that college football is equal in popularity to the NFL. Please explain how you make that jump?

And furthermore, is that statement he made incorrect? Is football not the most popular sport in the US? I don't think that has anything to do with CBB vs CFB, but I'd like to hear your explanation as to how he's wrong.

Yes he is wrong equating the two football forms. One is extremely popular nationwide, the other is a regional interest with a following very similar in size to college basketball.

There are schools that get 10,000+ per basketball game that don't even have a scholarship football program (many of the Big East schools, Gonzaga, Wichita State, Dayton, etc.) Some schools who have both just have a stronger basketball culture.

Missouri State's men's basketball consistently draws better than football, and even the women's team clears the football season average a few games a season. We had 11,000 in JQH for Wichita State in January. I can't remember the last time we had 11,000 at Plaster Stadium. There are various reasons for this - our basketball program was highly successful through the 90s, and we had some of the strongest teams rejected by the NCAA Tournament Committee in the 00s; our football team has historically been crap, the Ozarks are a generally poor and rural region, so area high schools turned to basketball because it was cheaper and required less people to play, thus breeding a basketball culture...

**** you for comparing me to such nitwits

It is a football country. NFL is king though.

Tens of millions of people say it is on a much higher level than coin flip ball

You know that is not true, yet you keep spewing it. blake pretty much debunked your whole point in one post. Quit lying and just accept facts.

Lying is literally all that he has.

So back to facts, which is what this thread is built on. KC Star reports the latest revenue figures for area schools.

Year KU / MU
2007 64.2 / 56.4
2008 83 / 55.6
2009 70 / 63.1
2010 70.5 / 61.1
2011 74.9 / 63.1
2012 70.2 / 50.7
2013 93.1 / 76.3
Total 525.9 / 426.3

KU recognized some prepaid donations in 2013 which increased their total, while MU's move to the SEC boosted their revenues after having their Big 12 money withheld in 2012 for leaving.

(Note: This does not include Football this fall or basketball this Spring as cutoff is Summer 2013)
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/28...illion-in.html

Central Missouri has twice as many ncaa basketball championships as Mizzou LMAO

Unless I missed something :shrug:

Would you look at that, half the Final Four come from that horrible, horrible basketball conference.

SEC put the clown shoes on the twin dipshits

Unpossible

Looks like you'll have to give not one but two standing O's in Mizzou Arena next year.

Link to the first one? Lying buffoon.

You know his M.O. He will make a post saying he already proved it, while totally ignoring eye witness accounts in this very thread that disprove the fictional link that he has never posted. He will then attempt to make some exaggerated statement about how Basketball is the national past time, and football is only a regional sport watched by hillbillies in Birmingham.

Mizzouchebags are PUMPED for their big games this weekend in Dallas:

Yes Virginia, it will be an all SEC Championship

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And yes, that does say quite a bit about the strength of the SEC

We're going to own the Final Four.
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Again, does perusing Tigerboard really give you that much pleasure? I'd imagine you can find plenty more where that came from on a message board of that ilk, with blowhards like yourself making up 90% of the content.

Mizzou sucked this year. They'll likely be even worse next. We have a below average coach who is treading water until he'll ultimately be replaced. There isn't a competent Mizzou fan that would tell you any different. There are likely plenty complete homer's who will cling to something they shouldn't in order to feel better about said shitty state of affairs.

Congrats for finding them! You win.

He got the boot from the KU thread so he has more time now.

Not sure why KU is mentioned in the 5th post in your link. But it is what it is.

I haven't visited Tigerboard in years. It's a cesspool.

Aside from once in a while browsing it during a football game, me either. I don't think I've ever made a post there as far as I can remember.

And, like you can't find a similar bumper crop of tards over at Phog or wherever.

*waiting patiently for next reference to Oklahoma beating the shit out of Alabama in their bowl game*

Don't deflect the issue, basking in the glow of others (esp conference mates) isn't a KU problem, it's a Mizzou one. Here's what Ellen Degeneres had to say about it:


http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...fhi2o1_250.gif

Haha, you look for Ellen pics.