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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18043266)

It doesn't feel like the Chiefs are basing their draft on best player available. Hell in Veach's press conference he has already said he plans to draft multiple d-linemen on Day 2. They are targeting positions and specific players and locking on.

Now the one place I'm somewhat okay doing that is left tackle. But how about we let the second round play out before we declare we're taking multiple d-line Friday night?

It's starting to have the feel to it.

I don't love it.

More Patella surgery data

Impact on Elite Athletes
Return-to-Sport Rates: Recent studies show high RTS rates: 90.3% for patella fractures, 94.4% for tendon ruptures, and over 90% for PPTTs. However, returning to pre-injury performance levels remains challenging, with rates ranging from 51.6% (fractures) to 83% (tendon ruptures).

Reduced Complications: Newer fixation methods (e.g., plates, non-metallic sutures) have lowered complication rates (e.g., 5.1% for patella fractures) and reduced reoperation needs.

Faster Recovery: Minimally invasive techniques like arthroscopy and optimized rehab protocols have shortened RTS timelines, particularly for PPTTs (3.9 months) and tendinopathy (via APR).

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043254)

Do ya?

I mean, I used this analogy in the other thread, but do you need to take a HR swing when you're down by 1 with 2 runners in scoring position?

We signed Moore. We just went to the Super Bowl.

This isn't a '2 out, nobody on, down 1 with the bottom of the order due up' situation here.

I just don't think there's a good argument to make that we NEED to be swinging for the downs.

When Wanya Morris is the guy on deck….

Yeah, swing big.

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18043144)

It may be true. It's also true that in that specific draft he was the 2nd or 3rd best pick in that 1st round. That year that we had the no 1 pick it was just a garbage draft. Unbelievable bust rate for 1st round players that year.

And we got Kelce in the 3rd that year.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18043246)

I asked Grok on NBA recoveries.

I'm gonna stop you right there, buddy.

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043289)

When Wanya Morris is the guy on deck….

Yeah, swing big.

But you only need a single to score 2.

I don't see any reason to believe that Jaylon Moore isn't exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 18043198)

Man, remember

Fischer or Joeckel?? Debates?

Joeckel, Joeckel Joeckel!!

I remember it as the worst draft in my lifetime. And we have the first pick. :mad:

Crow, you’re probably the most respected poster here, IMO. You post opinions with sound logic, data and analysis. You’re one of the few posters that I feel I’ve learned a little more about the nfl from. If you post less, the quality of this board will decline. If you’re like me at all, CP gives you a mental break from kids and family and helps us be more present when we need to be. I hope you’ll shake this off and stay engaged at CP. it’s definitely better when you’re here.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042910)

A couple of years ago, I said I was leaving for good. I'm not saying I'm leaving here now.

What's frustrating is that if you put in the time to find and share information and content here anymore, nobody really looks at it. If you formulate an opinion based on that information, you'll only be ridiculed, chastised, and rejected if it goes against what the Chiefs do.

I have 6 kids in my house, how good would that work out? Those guys that do them have far less credibility than the best posters here, and yet they get respected and their opinions are admired even when they cut against the grain. Why put in that time for no gain only to have it shit on routinely? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

If Matt from KCSN said it or whoever on Twitter said it or dickwad on his podcast said it, it'd be gold. If DJ, duncan, or Crow say it, they don't know shit, can't read studies, etc. ****, I have an undergrad dual major in Mathematics and Physical Education (which is about 60% PT coursework BTW) and I don't know statistics or how to read a study or anything about the human body. It's like **** right off.

Who knows, it might be best to just start spending a little more time with my kids and my fiancé in the winter and spring instead of drafturbating and reading medical studies on sports injuries and the like.

I can still pop on and spew bullshit about my next meal at Taco Bell or something, bitch about what happened in the Week 9 loss, or whatever. I just don't think I really want to put in the effort, and that might be a good thing.

I really do hope the pick works out. It would be quite the coup.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18043273)

You could tell at this point if any arthritis has already developed from the surgery to fix it, so the fact they cleared him makes me believe that is NOT the case.

I didn't know that. So you know pretty early if knee surgeries are a success or not? That is good news.

I know my buddy had an acl and mcl (I think) one after the other and said both were painful as hell and a bitch to rehab. You have to deal with the pain or it won't heal right. Do all the rehab or it won't heal right. Do all the stretching or it won't heal right.

Then you have an elevated risk of a different injury due to the tendency to over compensate and use other joints and limbs too much.

Right or wrong we basically agreed to all this risk to save 20 draft slots. That's what it comes down to. We didn't want to pay the price to move up into the top 15 to get a top 15 talent.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 18043293)

And we got Kelce in the 3rd that year.

I keep forgetting that.

Point being that there was just no 1st round talent in the 1st round of the draft that year. We got lucky and landed one of 4 guys worth taking in that 1st round.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18043288)

How many of offensive linemen were part of this study? Also, we're not asking Simmons to run - just block. His knee may be stable enough to run and pass block, which is all we need.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043299)

But you only need a single to score 2.

I don't see any reason to believe that Jaylon Moore isn't exactly that.

He should be. But it’s far from a lock.

I was a fan of the Moore signing but never did I believe it should preclude them from going after an upgrade long term. At a minimum, you need depth and you need an answer to replace Taylor.

I'll be shocked if they aren't talking about this guy being a 1st ballot HOFer going into the bye week.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 18043198)

Man, remember

Fischer or Joeckel?? Debates?

Joeckel, Joeckel Joeckel!!

The best part was the Jags troll who joined that offseason being forced to watch his own team take Joeckel

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043254)

Do ya?

I mean, I used this analogy in the other thread, but do you need to take a HR swing when you're down by 1 with 2 runners in scoring position?

We signed Moore. We just went to the Super Bowl.

This isn't a '2 out, nobody on, down 1 with the bottom of the order due up' situation here.

I just don't think there's a good argument to make that we NEED to be swinging for the downs.

The baseball analogy doesn't fit.

If you want a long-term answer at this spot, you either mortgage an entire draft more or less, or you roll the dice that Simmons returns to form.

It's not as big a risk as multiple high picks. It's a big risk, but it's not a crippling blow if it tanks.