You've said that before and I'll never understand why, the fact is, he was the defense minister of an advanced first world nation that is a close US ally... and I've never seen a single thing on him that would discredit anything he says

Greer never held the post of defense minister of major nation, huge difference

Had to google it for some info, sounds very interesting

Hellyer has never provided a shred of evidence for anything and absolutely nothing he has said has been confirmed by any credible 3rd party. Until that changes he's nothing more than a crazy old man spinning stories.

This is one of the problems with this entire area of interest: too much anecdotal 'evidence' is taken on faith by believers. It's basically just another type of religious belief. It's confirmation bias in a lot of cases.

In my opinion people need to be skeptical. Not debunk, just be skeptical. A lot of unexplained or unusual things happen in this world. There's zero doubt about that. And those things need to be studied from a neutral point of view, with an emphasis clearly and solidly placed on recordable (and if possible repeatable) events over testimony. The days of self-appointed 'researchers' with zero forensic or psychological training traveling around collecting testimony from eye witnesses needs to be relegated primarily to the realm of entertainment, as do these 'death bed confessions' and real, actual study of these varied phenomena by trained professionals needs to take place.

If that doesn't happen, this field is just going to die. It's already happening. Most of your die hard interest comes from older folks, 60s and above. Millennials don't have much interest. It needs to be legitimized before the whole thing fades away. Although maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing, since the baby boomers and their kids are the ones responsible for the science fiction over science approach of the last 30 years.

And that's what Hellyer is: science fiction.

It's okay to be entertained by it. I actually find all his tall white money mafia stuff wildly entertaining. But it makes zero sense to actually believe in the stories he spins when they can't be substantiated in any way. I guess that outlines another issue with the paranormal: some folks will believe literally anything, and seem entirely unable to differentiate between verifiable truth and absolute fiction.

I'm glad to see some more recent events like the study of the not-Roswell slides, the homeland security ufo video and now the Chilean ufo video. Maybe the answers provided in these cases aren't what people want, but that's the way this field needs to work, so when we do have solid proof (note I say when and not if) it can go mainstream without quite as much ridicule as things like, for interest, Hellyer's comments.

What evidence do you want him to provide, keg... was he supposed to smuggle classified documents and pictures etc out of the ministry and release them to the media?

That would be awfully stupid of him

Tons of qualified researchers back up pretty much everything he has ever said, but whatever we'll just have to disagree here

I dont feel much like arguing today

On a different note, what are you seeing that intrigues you about Antarctica and Vostok?

Tons of qualified researchers my ass.

But fine, let Hellyer go. What about the rest of what I had to say, about the field in general?

Go with what you know, doesnt matter to me

So what about Antarctica and Vostok... what are you seeing on that?

The whole Vostok biome is interesting to me. It's way closer to the Savage Lands or a lost world than I ever thought we'd find. And there's a shit ton of other anomalies down Antarctic way.

I'm curious to know why there's been so much official interest there. IIRC John Kerry was actually there around election time and not here, which seems odd. The Russian orthodox equivalent to the pope visited in the last year. There's rumors that Obama took a quiet side trip during his Argentina trip last year. Buzz Aldrin was even down their recently.

Maybe no fire but seems like a strange amount of smoke. Maybe something's been found under the ice? Lost civilization? Weird creatures? Who knows. Maybe nothing.

It's worth looking up...

I havent spent any time looking into this stuff for a while, but everything you're saying here sounds extremely interesting... I'll be checking it out today

Lots of strange info about Lake Vostok floating around, very interesting...

Huge magnetic anomalies not caused by the earth itself

Unknown metallic masses buried under the ice

NSA canceling space mapping missions of the area due to "environmental concerns"

Rumors of found technology being confiscated from JPL by the NSA

Creature 46b, now thats a wild thought but not so unbelievable at all... it doesnt take much stretch of the imagination to envision an extremely unique creature in a super oxygenated environment thats been closed off from the rest of the world for millions and millions of years

Now that is interesting.

Some ancient, advanced civilization under the ice would make me jizz.

I've read that there are miles of ice on top of the landmass that's Antarctica. How long has it been since the continent was habitable?

So I just stumbled across this thread and it's probably now my favorite thread here.

On the ice lake, a question, did the Russians actually tunnel down to it?

Apparently

http://scitechdaily.com/russians-cel...bglacial-lake/

We need the Oak Island crew on this ASAP!

Send a diver!

It's like 3 miles down there, right? Have they sent people down there already? I found where one of the supposed scientist thay went down therr said they had a prolonged fight with a 14 legged octopus but I'm not sure the playability

Well, shit. Apparently it froze over 14 million years ago.

Bet there's some interesting shit in those sheets of ice.