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buddha 10-25-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8048443)
Here's something that I think is kinda strange, and it's a point I made last season during the B1G thing:

Why does everyone keep saying "it's all about moneyA" without acknowledging where that money goes and what it's used for?

You're absolutely right that it's all about money - but here's the thing: General revenue cannot be used for athletic programs (well, not above a certain nominal threshold). If you're Missouri and you want to upgrade your facilities, it has to be done through private donors or revenue generated by the programs themselves.

So yeah, of course this is about money. But why don't we say what the true end game is? It's about larger facilities. It's about upgraded amenities. It's about new and improved athletics complexes and additional exposure.

It's not about increasing profit. It's not about downsizing staff. It's about improving the University of Missouri. It's about trying to give us an advantage in an environment where there are precious few places you can actually gain a competitive advantage if the geography doesn't allow for it.

So yeah - keep on calling it a money grab if it makes you feel better. But that's simply ignoring the fact that money means something very very different for a major university than it does for a Fortune 500 company or a private individual. It means the ability to elevate the school.

You belong to a conference for two reasons:

1. Money
2. Scheduling convenience

That's it. The rivalry thing is woven into the scheduling convenience. If any of you think that any other reason trumps either of those two items, you are deluded.

DJ's point is spot on. Look at what South Carolina and Arkansas have been able to build (both facilities and program) since joining the SEC? It's sick. Both schools are far better off than they were.

This has NOTHING to do with grits or sweet tea. Eat and drink what you want...I want what is best for Mizzou, period.

Mr. Plow 10-25-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8048455)
I didn't think I would have to explain this, but if the SEC reworks their TV deals, every other SEC member will also see a revenue increase.

I'm sure a move to the SEC & the creation of an SEC network will immediately put MU into the top 10 in profit for football.

Stewie 10-25-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 8048461)
Are you kidding me?

Yeah must be nice beating up on Colorado St, Air Force, South Florida, UCONN, etc. for years for those two teams.

Have those two schools had big wins? Of course. You can't tell me this isn't a big step up in competition though.

WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

duncan_idaho 10-25-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8048390)
In fairness - it seems damn unlikely.

Mizzou's gonna make more. Mizzou's gonna make quite a bit more. But $30 million more?

I've seen anywhere from $12 - $20 million, but never anywhere near $30-$40 million.

Some figures I've heard (from a buddy who works in administration/donations at Mizzou):

Current deal is expected to pay out around $18 million/team at 14 teams. However, the SEC is expected to renegotiate first tier rights with the addition of 31 million people to its home-state footprint (which is around 60 percent of current footprint, if I remember correctly). This should bump things up to around $24 million/school.

The rest of the potential bump would come from the creation of an SEC network, which Slive plans to do with the increased TV markets.

I think $30-40 million is an extremely high estimate. Something like $30 million total is more likely when all is said and done.

It's hard to project on these contracts, though. A lot of moving parts.

|Zach| 10-25-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 8048464)
The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

For right now? Yea it is. In the future? No. These situations are so dynamic.

You know what used to be absolutely out of the question? The idea of Texas letting TCU join the B12.

Mr. Plow 10-25-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 8048471)
Some figures I've heard (from a buddy who works in administration/donations at Mizzou):

Current deal is expected to pay out around $18 million/team at 14 teams. However, the SEC is expected to renegotiate first tier rights with the addition of 31 million people to its home-state footprint (which is around 60 percent of current footprint, if I remember correctly). This should bump things up to around $24 million/school.

The rest of the potential bump would come from the creation of an SEC network, which Slive plans to do with the increased TV markets.

I think $30-40 million is an extremely high estimate. Something like $30 million total is more likely when all is said and done.

It's hard to project on these contracts, though. A lot of moving parts.


If you had said $30 million total, I could see that.

notorious 10-25-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by evenfall (Post 8048457)
Personally I don't give a rip what happens after we move on. We upgraded, a the big whatever is okay... Fine. Enjoy it. Everybody wins.


Good luck. You guys will need it.

evenfall 10-25-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 8048464)
The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

They've been angling for an exit for years. For big money schools with football programs like that, there will be options. They were just very nearly gone. It will happen eventually. You guys won't understand until you come home to the note on the kitchen table, but trust me, they don't love you. They've been running around on you for years.

KC native 10-25-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 8048437)
Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the ****ing cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

|Zach| 10-25-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by evenfall (Post 8048476)
They've been angling for an exit for years. For big money schools with football programs like that, there will be options. They were just very nearly gone. It will happen eventually. You guys won't understand until you come home to the note on the kitchen table, but trust me, they don't love you. They've been running around on you for years.

3 straight years Texas has been trying to get out of the Big 12.

Jerm 10-25-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 8048470)
WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING..of course the path to the BCS is a lot easier.

TCU is the flavor of the month...you really think they're going to be able to consistently recruit in the Big XII and compete? Come on now.

Stewie 10-25-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 8048472)
For right now? Yea it is. In the future? No. These situations are so dynamic.

You know what used to be absolutely out of the question? The idea of Texas letting TCU join the B12.

Texas and TCU were in the SW conference together. TCU being left out was political, much like TT being admitted.

notorious 10-25-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 8048478)
And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

I think that they will compete, but beating the big teams week in and week out is a whole different ball game.


BTW, I am happy as hell to have TCU in the 12. :thumbsup:

HemiEd 10-25-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 8048346)
Missouri fans are overwhelmingly for this movie. Feed back to the University as well as sentiment amongst pretty much every group of fans I have seen backs this up.

I know you are not a big fan of reality though. You never have been.

Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

DJ's left nut 10-25-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 8048468)
You belong to a conference for two reasons:

1. Money
2. Scheduling convenience

That's it. The rivalry thing is woven into the scheduling convenience. If any of you think that any other reason trumps either of those two items, you are deluded.

DJ's point is spot on. Look at what South Carolina and Arkansas have been able to build (both facilities and program) since joining the SEC? It's sick. Both schools are far better off than they were.

This has NOTHING to do with grits or sweet tea. Eat and drink what you want...I want what is best for Mizzou, period.

I went to South Bend last weekend and walked around their campus.

It's pretty incredible, it really is. That said - there was nothing about it that couldn't be duplicated. The stadium was actually a relic (they did a 'Soldier Field' style facelift by adding an additional facade around the outside of the stadium). But they just built a Hockey Complex that was just stunning - HOCKEY! The basketball arena is next. And all of it is around a massive quad that is simply stunning. The entire area is a HUGE boost for the overall attractiveness of the University.

The proposed renovations at Arkansas are similar.

If this was couched as "Move to the SEC and they'll upgrade every building, all the equipment and all overall attractiveness of the University" it would be pretty hard for people to call those that were in favor of the move a bunch of greedy assholes - but that's exactly what a "money grab" means in this context.

This is all done to make the University better.


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