ChiefsPlanet - Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

Yeah, but the Royals will never be taken seriously or "realistically" expected to win anything, until they do. If the Tigers were 7 games behind the Royals everyone would expect them to come back and win the division. Might as well just quit and fold up shop.

DeezNutz

07-12-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808436)

That's the dumbest ****ing post in a thread of dumb ****ing posts.

Salvador Perez and his 3.8 WAR projection aren't worth Taveras alone.

Your terrible GM is not a barometer of good trades. The same guy who traded away two years of Greinke's service to Doug Melvin for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain when Melvin got Jean Segura for two months of Greinke probably shouldn't be judging Wil Myers' value.

Your dumbass would kill for Taveras, Wacha, Kolten Wong, and Carlos Martinez. That's not to mention the wave of rookies that have just come up from that farm system: Rosenthal, Siegrist, Matt Adams, and Shelby Miller.

Christ, Shelby Miller has been better than any Royals player this year.

I have to laugh here. You're responding to fans of The. Best. Farm. System. In. Baseball. History. as evaluated by many a "baseball expert."

These prospects don't mean shit. Minor-league Gordon wouldn't wipe his ass with the trading card of any of these guys. We're talking minor-league gods when discussing Gordon and Hosmer.

Sal Perez, on the other hand, is a real-life beast. Don't disrespect him by comparing him to a #2 pitcher like Shields.

Nightfyre

07-12-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808436)

That's the dumbest ****ing post in a thread of dumb ****ing posts.

Salvador Perez and his 3.8 WAR projection aren't worth Taveras alone.

Your terrible GM is not a barometer of good trades. The same guy who traded away two years of Greinke's service to Doug Melvin for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain when Melvin got Jean Segura for two months of Greinke probably shouldn't be judging Wil Myers' value.

Your dumbass would kill for Taveras, Wacha, Kolten Wong, and Carlos Martinez. That's not to mention the wave of rookies that have just come up from that farm system: Rosenthal, Siegrist, Matt Adams, and Shelby Miller.

Christ, Shelby Miller has been better than any Royals player this year.

You are high off your ass if you think Tavares is worth more than Perez. You are beyond hope.

sedated

07-12-2013 11:30 PM

Must be a big year for trolls when Tardinals fans to start infesting Royals threads.

DeezNutz

07-12-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808437)

I think the Royals will finish around .500 this year, and I'm probably underselling the value of achieving respectability for a dog shit organization like KC.

Chiefspants

07-12-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808436)

That's the dumbest ****ing post in a thread of dumb ****ing posts.

Salvador Perez and his 3.8 WAR projection aren't worth Taveras alone.

Your terrible GM is not a barometer of good trades. The same guy who traded away two years of Greinke's service to Doug Melvin for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain when Melvin got Jean Segura for two months of Greinke probably shouldn't be judging Wil Myers' value.

Your dumbass would kill for Taveras, Wacha, Kolten Wong, and Carlos Martinez. That's not to mention the wave of rookies that have just come up from that farm system: Rosenthal, Siegrist, Matt Adams, and Shelby Miller.

Christ, Shelby Miller has been better than any Royals player this year.

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'Hamas' Jenkins

07-12-2013 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808439)

Perhaps those guys are minor league gods because Royals fans overrate their prospects to give themselves hope.

And Sal Perez and his OPS+ of 96 isn't beastly.

Furthermore, he said he wouldn't trade the Cardinals' entire system for Perez. There isn't a GM in baseball who doesn't take that package for Salvador Perez.

tk13	07-12-2013 11:37 PM

Moose wasn't a hack either... although it's easy to pick on him now. His last full minor league season he played 118 games and put up 94 runs, 36 HR and 124 RBI. Massive numbers, hard to argue otherwise.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-12-2013 11:40 PM

Moustakas, Hosmer, and Gordon were all elite prospects, but they aren't prospects anymore. Perhaps getting burned by their underachieving has soured Royals fans on the ability of prospects to project.

DeezNutz

07-12-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808444)

Perhaps those guys are minor league gods because Royals fans overrate their prospects to give themselves hope.

And Sal Perez and his OPS+ of 96 isn't beastly.

Dude, their numbers in the minors speak for themselves.

Hosmer in AAA: .439/.525/.582 (and don't even think about "sample sizing" me, because he ****ing owned AA, too)
Gordon in the minors in '06: .325/.427/.588

No need for creative interpretation here; these guys looked like ****ing monsters, far more than anything on the current Cardinals radar.

And I'm pretty confident in standing by Perez and his value now and in the future.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-12-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808451)

Two players:

Player A:

.325/.427/.588 29HR, 111 R, 101 RBI, .373 BABIP in 577 PA

Player B:

.300/.357/.566 32 HR 80 R, 100 RBI, .308 BABIP in 513 PA

Both age 22 seasons. Both at AA. Where is the "far more" part other than the hype?

And this isn't to discredit those guys as prospects, but to provide perspective on projection based upon performance.

Demonpenz

07-12-2013 11:54 PM

I dunno what happened here, but I dig it.

Deberg_1990

07-12-2013 11:57 PM

Moose looks like a bust. Hosmer will at least be Willie Aikens

DeezNutz

07-12-2013 11:59 PM

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=tavera001osc

In terms of minor league metrics, I'll take OBP over BABIP, and Gordon and Hosmer were definitely more highly-regarded prospects, though Taveras is no slouch.

The original point, and one that still holds true, is that prospect status means, ultimately, jack and shit. We've been there and done that, and it doesn't necessarily translate immediately, and I don't think that KC did anything "to ruin" either Gordon or Hosmer.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-13-2013 12:02 AM

Player B was Matt Adams, not Taveras.

BABIP is a measure of fortune, IMO, which is why I threw it in there. I think that OBP and ISO are the two most important stats for a hitter. One measures your ability to get on base, the other is your extra base power, which is rarely the result of luck the way that BABIP alone can be.

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