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Three7s 07-07-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10734219)
Moustakas returned from the minors on June 1. Since that time, he is:

.250/.308/.469 (6 HR, 18 RBI). Paired with his defense, that's a very playable major league player, and an above-average guy overall. Dayton Moore said before the season his expectation for Moustakas was for him to hit between .250/.260 with good power and above-average defense. He's succeeding - so far - since his return at meeting those expectations. Project Moustakas out over 550 ABs, and you'd be pretty happy with the results you get - 34 HR and 100 RBI.

Of course, this is Moustakas, so we need to see that sample size grow before we can believe he can sustain it. But he has not been a problem since returning (in fact, he's actually been a plus and would be a very, very effective No. 6 or No. 7 hitter if he can sustain it).

Since June 1, Hosmer is .226/.278/.316. It's just awful, and there's not enough lipstick in Orange County to make it look any different. No power, no OBP. Nothing.

Pair that with Yost and Dayton Moore coddling him more than the worst over-protective mom AND insisting on batting him in the first 3 spots in the lineup, and you've got a production bomb.

And Hosmer cost us the game by swinging at the first pitch with the bases loaded one out located down and away and rolled it over to 2nd. He has no patience at all.

ChiTown 07-07-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 10734233)
I know that I'm hardly alone in thinking this, but I always appreciate your takes on the Royals and baseball in general. I think I've become a much more knowledgeable fan from reading your posts. :thumb:

Amen, Duncan is the shit.................even if he is a mu fan:evil:

FringeNC 07-07-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10734219)
Moustakas returned from the minors on June 1. Since that time, he is:

.250/.308/.469 (6 HR, 18 RBI). Paired with his defense, that's a very playable major league player, and an above-average guy overall. Dayton Moore said before the season his expectation for Moustakas was for him to hit between .250/.260 with good power and above-average defense. He's succeeding - so far - since his return at meeting those expectations. Project Moustakas out over 550 ABs, and you'd be pretty happy with the results you get - 34 HR and 100 RBI.

Of course, this is Moustakas, so we need to see that sample size grow before we can believe he can sustain it. But he has not been a problem since returning (in fact, he's actually been a plus and would be a very, very effective No. 6 or No. 7 hitter if he can sustain it).

Since June 1, Hosmer is .226/.278/.316. It's just awful, and there's not enough lipstick in Orange County to make it look any different. No power, no OBP. Nothing.

Pair that with Yost and Dayton Moore coddling him more than the worst over-protective mom AND insisting on batting him in the first 3 spots in the lineup, and you've got a production bomb.

If Moose maintains his post-callup OPS for the remainder of the season, he's a nice player.

Three7s 07-07-2014 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10734317)
If Moose maintains his post-callup OPS for the remainder of the season, he's a nice player.

Agreed, I've stopped bashing him for the mean time. He's risen his average and he's still providing the very little power this team has. He's worth playing every day at this point.

duncan_idaho 07-07-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10734267)
Amen, Duncan is the shit.................even if he is a mu fan:evil:

If only he was better at starting game threads...

Deberg_1990 07-07-2014 03:52 PM

Its truly amazing how the Royals are even "in the hunt" with the type of seasons they have gotten from the 4 main guys who were supposed to carry this team.

Butler
Gordon
Hosmer
Moose


My prediction is for 84-86 wins. same as it ever was........

Archie F. Swin 07-07-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10734750)
Its truly amazing how the Royals are even "in the hunt" with the type of seasons they have gotten from the 4 main guys who were supposed to carry this team.

Butler
Gordon
Hosmer
Moose


My prediction is for 84-86 wins. same as it ever was........

And that record will buy you a lot of free time in Oct.

ChiTown 07-07-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10734766)
And that record will buy you a lot of free time in Oct.

I think the last AL WC playoff spot takes 88 wins

I think the AL Central Winner needs 91 wins.

Therefore, the Royals have to play .573 ball (9 games over .500) in the Second Half for a WC Spot, and have to play at a ridiculous .613 pace to take the Central. In short (with our weak-assed Offense), we have uphill battle to climb for a WC spot, but nothing crazy. Given what DET has been able to amass in the last 2 weeks, I think they are starting to show why they were the prohibitive favorite to win the ALC.

Discuss Thrower 07-07-2014 05:14 PM

I'll get laid before the Royals earn a playoff berth.

cmh6476 07-07-2014 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10734930)
I'll get laid before the Royals earn a playoff berth.

will you post in the butt sex thread before you post in the royals playoff GDT?

Prison Bitch 07-07-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10734141)
It's not about Jeremy Guthrie (though I do have issues with the way they figure their WAR for pitchers, which is incredibly dependent on FIP and strikeouts... Wade Davis was nearly 2 WAR starting pitcher according to Fangraphs, and his WAR stayed flat even after being moved to the bullpen last year). It's about their formula in general. I just tend to find Baseball Reference to be a little more reliable and less likely to make me go "Wait, that makes no sense.".

They do have some things I quibble with, I pointed out they undervalue closers IMO (Greg Holland example). They postulate - correctly as I've come to believe - that your best pitchers are always in the rotation and hence should get a boost for it. But I don't think that holds for closers if I read them right because Holland was 48/51 (94.1%) last year in saves and the average has been 65% for years. I don't think you can put Crow in there and get 94% so shouldn't Holland have a boost for being the best reliever?


He's surely better than our 5 starter. And if he converts 65% that equtes to 33/51 saves or 15 more blown. If the Royals win 1/2 of those that's still a net shortfall of (-7) and his WAR was only 3.3 or something, which is understated.


That said I think they do a great job of ridding statistics of their inherent white noise and their articles are top notch.

Discuss Thrower 07-07-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 10734949)
will you post in the butt sex thread before you post in the royals playoff GDT?

My cornhole is exit only Chief.

lewdog 07-07-2014 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10734930)
I'll get laid before the Royals earn a playoff berth.

Not unless you fix that self loathing. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Royals to playoffs two years before you get laid.

Prison Bitch 07-07-2014 10:21 PM

Gordon's game tonight made me think again that players need more rest to play well. I think we have overplayed Escobar this year and Cain as well. Perez needs more off days than we give him. Even Hosmer would do well to get a rest, since Moose might prove he's staying slmewhat rested with occasional days off via his platoon. 90+ heat is approaching.

GloryDayz 07-08-2014 07:06 AM

Man, the Fatty and Hos were getting ripped on AM radio today. It was LOL to say the least.


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