Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14753829)

The other thing is their DL is athletic but is very light....

Nick Bosa comes in at nearly 270 at end so he's about the only one that you go ok he's big for his position, look at the rest..

Armstead is 6'8 280
Buckner 6'7 280
Thomas 6'3 280
Ford is like 240

That is extremely light especially at the DT position, those are some long lanky dudes to be playing in the middle honestly.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14753826)

Picking up that flag was even more egregious- we were on the verge of blowing them out at that point. Score there and the game is over, well before the fumble.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753838)

The height is scary with Buckner and Armstead. Would think they are pretty damn good at batting the ball or at least disrupting the QB’s throwing lane.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753838)

The height is scary with Buckner and Armstead. Would think they are pretty damn good at batting the ball or at least disrupting the QB’s throwing lane.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753838)

The height is scary with Buckner and Armstead. Would think they are pretty damn good at batting the ball or at least disrupting the QB’s throwing lane.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753843)

It’s a good thing that our QB can adjust his throwing angle to get around those guys.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14753850)

Haha literally the same comment 3 straight times

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753843)

It’s a good thing that our QB can adjust his throwing angle to get around those guys.

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14753863)

This offense was never really stopped when fully healthy, but what caused this offense the most problems throughout the season? Defenders jamming our receivers at the line of scrimmage. It disrupted the timing of our routes, and this offense is built around timing. That oftentimes forced Mahomes to leave the pocket and wait for something off-script to develop. I really don't think the Niners have the horses in the secondary to play press man and jam our receivers up like that consistently. The Patriots were able deploy that strategy because they've got the players to do it. Is there a player on this 49er secondary that would start for the Patriots defense? Sherman's a system CB. He wouldn't cut it in NE.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14753836)

The 49ers have a big choice to make. Are they going to treat every down like a passing down and get Ford on the field, to maximize the effectiveness of their pass rush? And if so, how are they going to handle how easily he can be exploited in the run game?

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 14753869)

On the other side of the coin, exploiting Dee Ford means running the ball as the 1st option, and that is taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14753883)

No, you can exploit Ford in the passing game too.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753868)

The better comparison point might be the Lions. They did a very good job and they had quite a few backups playing in the secondary. Of course, they were aided by a missing Tyreek Hill.

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14753896)

What a weird game that was. Fumbles everywhere. Pat still threw for 300+ yards but, yeah, Tyreek is our built-in man coverage beater and that strategy wouldn't have worked as well for them had he played.

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 14753869)

On the other side of the coin, exploiting Dee Ford means running the ball as the 1st option, and that is taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 14753891)

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 14753891)

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14753883)

No, you can exploit Ford in the passing game too.

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 14753891)

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14753909)

It’s like people forgot seeing Ford get washed out of passing plays bc teams knew the speed rush was the only thing he had.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753755)

This is a strange response to my post. Did you quote the wrong person? I was talking about the KC defense and only said they earned their reputation as a bad defense the last couple seasons. Your rant has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14753904)

And that’s fine if it’s first down and you’re breaking off 4+ yard runs while also drilling him with crack back blocks repeatedly.

It also sets up a lot more stuff.

Bosa crashes down the line? Mahomes keeps it.

Slot CB doesn’t motion with the WR? Pop pass to Hill or, even better, stream-post combo from Watkins and Hill.

Safeties creeping up? Play-action passes.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14753874)

Ok lets get very real here about the 49ers defense....they didn't face many good passing offenses this year but lets look at some of these point totals...

Early in the year they catch the Rams off guard and win 20-7...second meeting they give up 31 points.

In 2 meetings with the Cards they give up 25 and 26 points.

46 to the Saints..29 to Atlanta.....27 and 21 to Seattle who doesn't really have many weapons...

This defense isn't great and when they face teams with real weapons they tend to get beat.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14753924)

He tries to bull rush and he can at times but he likes to get his hands real high. Stay low and underneath him and he can be neutralized. Really, he relies on his first step and getting by guys before they get set. Chipping him can really disrupt his rhythm.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14753933)

I do think that's a fair amount of 'conventional' thinking with a team that I simply don't think should be adhering to it.

I'm not interested in any more of that RPO shit. People say it gives PM more freedom but to my eyes it does just the opposite. Most RPOs are 1 read and go - you see your read key and immediately run or fire. Rarely are those designed to give your QB time to survey the field and find the open man. They undermine Mahomes phenomenal field vision.

Pop passes and things of that nature are similarly constrictive.

More than anything, I want Reid to simply give the ball to the best triggerman in the league and allow him freedom to work with it as he sees fit. Use screens and designed reads only to set up something else. Use play-fakes only when you're in close enough that giving Williams the option of staying in to block or going out into the pattern isn't as productive (because if he's out there and open, Pat will find him).

Gimme more of the hair on fire playcalling that can lead to Mahomes and company simply scorching the earth. IF they force you out of it, so be it. But we have a good pass-blocking OL and weapons that a Cover 3 simply can't deal with absent more speed than the 9ers secondary has. We have a quarterback that can challenge every blade of grass on the field and they have a secondary that can't cover it all for more than 2 seconds. So trust your blockers to do their job and allow Mahomes to pressure the hell out of that secondary by reading and attacking.

Make that your primary attack and if it fails, then you start going into the bag of tricks.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753936)

I will be interested to see how Spags plans on covering Kittle. Dude is absolutely a weapon that we have to account for.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753929)

Only the first sentence was aimed at your post. The storylines don't really match the game tape is my point. The chiefs earned their bad-run defense reputation...

The 49ers have aren't some team that sucks when you force them to pass. Every team tried that in the regular season and it kinda worked against the Rams but didn't work at all against us when Kittle was on the field.

On film, Minnesota and GreenBay clearly sold out against the pass (particularly the play action pass and RPO pass) so Kyle ran it down throats. I actually think it's a better strategy to try to stop our passing game than our run game but GB and MN couldn't score against our D.

Selling out against the run means you're going to give up the big play all day but the storylines kinda.ignore that.

On film, the Titan run game is only superficially like the 49ers run game.

Every team comes in saying the same stuff...

"Our run defense has improved so much... We can shut down the 49ers run game"

"Our offensive line is the best you've seen all year and we can handle the rush"

"Your secondary isn't that good, you can't guard (Thomas/OBJ/Adams/Cooks/Diggs/CMC/running back out of the backfield)"

"The 49ers haven't played anyone yet"

We were literally underdogs to the Bengals, Browns, and Panthers.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753929)

Only the first sentence was aimed at your post. The storylines don't really match the game tape is my point. The chiefs earned their bad-run defense reputation...

The 49ers have aren't some team that sucks when you force them to pass. Every team tried that in the regular season and it kinda worked against the Rams but didn't work at all against us when Kittle was on the field.

On film, Minnesota and GreenBay clearly sold out against the pass (particularly the play action pass and RPO pass) so Kyle ran it down throats. I actually think it's a better strategy to try to stop our passing game than our run game but GB and MN couldn't score against our D.

Selling out against the run means you're going to give up the big play all day but the storylines kinda.ignore that.

On film, the Titan run game is only superficially like the 49ers run game.

Every team comes in saying the same stuff...

"Our run defense has improved so much... We can shut down the 49ers run game"

"Our offensive line is the best you've seen all year and we can handle the rush"

"Your secondary isn't that good, you can't guard (Thomas/OBJ/Adams/Cooks/Diggs/CMC/running back out of the backfield)"

"The 49ers haven't played anyone yet"

We were literally underdogs to the Bengals, Browns, and Panthers.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753936)

I will be interested to see how Spags plans on covering Kittle. Dude is absolutely a weapon that we have to account for.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14753947)

Likewise, we've heard all of the same stuff too. It goes both ways.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753929)

Only the first sentence was aimed at your post. The storylines don't really match the game tape is my point. The chiefs earned their bad-run defense reputation...

The 49ers have aren't some team that sucks when you force them to pass. Every team tried that in the regular season and it kinda worked against the Rams but didn't work at all against us when Kittle was on the field.

On film, Minnesota and GreenBay clearly sold out against the pass (particularly the play action pass and RPO pass) so Kyle ran it down throats. I actually think it's a better strategy to try to stop our passing game than our run game but GB and MN couldn't score against our D.

Selling out against the run means you're going to give up the big play all day but the storylines kinda.ignore that.

On film, the Titan run game is only superficially like the 49ers run game.

Every team comes in saying the same stuff...

"Our run defense has improved so much... We can shut down the 49ers run game"

"Our offensive line is the best you've seen all year and we can handle the rush"

"Your secondary isn't that good, you can't guard (Thomas/OBJ/Adams/Cooks/Diggs/CMC/running back out of the backfield)"

"The 49ers haven't played anyone yet"

We were literally underdogs to the Bengals, Browns, and Panthers.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14753948)

If we were having this conversation on a 49ers forum, you'd have all the right in the world to complain about this.

You're in our house. You chose to come here. You can't expect everyone to welcome you and beg you to please tell us how inevitable it is for your team to bear our team.

And when you/your fellow 49ers fans say things that show you have followed the Chiefs only superficially, expect to get called out for them.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753952)

That is exactly my point. It's just ironic to me that y'all are saying that you've heard all the storylines about how teams are going to beat you before and that people are.only looking at your team superficially without noticing that you're doing the exact same thing to the 49ers.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14753961)

Kittle isn’t the type of players that one guy can cover really, much like Kelce. They’ve gotta pick their spots and hopefully bracket him at the right times.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753952)

That is exactly my point. It's just ironic to me that y'all are saying that you've heard all the storylines about how teams are going to beat you before and that people are.only looking at your team superficially without noticing that you're doing the exact same thing to the 49ers.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14753970)

Oh, **** off.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14753948)

If we were having this conversation on a 49ers forum, you'd have all the right in the world to complain about this.

You're in our house. You chose to come here. You can't expect everyone to welcome you and beg you to please tell us how inevitable it is for your team to bear our team.

And when you/your fellow 49ers fans say things that show you have followed the Chiefs only superficially, expect to get called out for them.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753980)

Many of us 49ers fans who go to other teams forums do it to get a deeper knowledge of the game (or at least the perspective of fans of other teams). We've travelled to forums for the Saints, Packers, Seahawks etc but the experience here is different. Someone comes in saying "Hi, I'm a 49er fan. It should be a great game" and the response is "Eat a dick".

Which is just kinda funny,

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753980)

Many of us 49ers fans who go to other teams forums do it to get a deeper knowledge of the game (or at least the perspective of fans of other teams). We've travelled to forums for the Saints, Packers, Seahawks etc but the experience here is different. Someone comes in saying "Hi, I'm a 49er fan. It should be a great game" and the response is "Eat a dick".

Which is just kinda funny,

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753981)

This board is stupid. I came here as a fan of the team they’re playing and they won’t agree with me that we’re going to beat them!!!1!1!1!1

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753985)

Eat a dick.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14753964)

Good thing Jimmy Grapes throws a lot of balls that are picked or have the potential to be picked...

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753991)

You have to catch them though. KC defense has not been great at finishing the catch on potential INT’s this season.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14753933)

I do think that's a fair amount of 'conventional' thinking with a team that I simply don't think should be adhering to it.



I'm not interested in any more of that RPO shit. People say it gives PM more freedom but to my eyes it does just the opposite. Most RPOs are 1 read and go - you see your read key and immediately run or fire. Rarely are those designed to give your QB time to survey the field and find the open man. They undermine Mahomes phenomenal field vision.



Pop passes and things of that nature are similarly constrictive.



More than anything, I want Reid to simply give the ball to the best triggerman in the league and allow him freedom to work with it as he sees fit. Use screens and designed reads only to set up something else. Use play-fakes only when you're in close enough that giving Williams the option of staying in to block or going out into the pattern isn't as productive (because if he's out there and open, Pat will find him).



Gimme more of the hair on fire playcalling that can lead to Mahomes and company simply scorching the earth. IF they force you out of it, so be it. But we have a good pass-blocking OL and weapons that a Cover 3 simply can't deal with absent more speed than the 9ers secondary has. We have a quarterback that can challenge every blade of grass on the field and they have a secondary that can't cover it all for more than 2 seconds. So trust your blockers to do their job and allow Mahomes to pressure the hell out of that secondary by reading and attacking.



Make that your primary attack and if it fails, then you start going into the bag of tricks.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753956)

I haven’t said any of those things. I expect this to be a close game late in the 4th quarter.

All I will say is I have noticed a lot of Niner fans on various websites underestimating Mahomes. He is every bit as good as Russell Wilson and he has a very strong track record of fighting hard when his team gets down. Similar to Wilson in that regard. I don’t think this will be a cake walk for either team.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14753981)

This board is stupid. I came here as a fan of the team they’re playing and they won’t agree with me that we’re going to beat them!!!1!1!1!1

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754004)

No one is trying to change any minds, just talk football. Y'all are just hyper-sensitive and defensive.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753998)

Yes, you've been the most levelheaded chiefs fan here IMO

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753998)

Yes, you've been the most levelheaded chiefs fan here IMO

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754004)

No one is trying to change any minds, just talk football. Y'all are just hyper-sensitive and defensive.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14754005)

49ers barely beat a Seahawks team that has no OL, two offensive weapons (one is a rookie), no running game, and one of the worst defenses in the league this year.

And Jimmy couldn't throw a single TD.

Oh, and the "elite" Niners defense mustered only 1 sack against that SEA OL?

Might have to watch that game and see just how that happened. Because something doesn't add up. If that Niners offense and defense is really as good as advertised, they should've shellacked SEA. Same way we carpet-bombed the Raiders at the end of the year.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14754016)

Divisional games are not easy. And Russ Wilson is right there with Mahomes as being a magician to pull a rabbit out of the hat on various plays. Russ also has a strong fighting spirit. It’s hard to pull a blowout victory against Russ. The Niners dominated a huge chunk of that Week 17 game, but then sure enough Wilson turned it into a close battle at the very end.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753980)

Many of us 49ers fans who go to other teams forums do it to get a deeper knowledge of the game (or at least the perspective of fans of other teams). We've travelled to forums for the Saints, Packers, Seahawks etc but the experience here is different. Someone comes in saying "Hi, I'm a 49er fan. It should be a great game" and the response is "Eat a dick".



Which is just kinda funny,

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14754005)

49ers barely beat a Seahawks team that has no OL, two offensive weapons (one is a rookie), no running game, and one of the worst defenses in the league this year.

And Jimmy couldn't throw a single TD.

Oh, and the "elite" Niners defense mustered only 1 sack against that SEA OL?

Might have to watch that game and see just how that happened. Because something doesn't add up. If that Niners offense and defense is really as good as advertised, they should've shellacked SEA. Same way we carpet-bombed the Raiders at the end of the year.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14754022)

Okay. But how did SEA generate 125 yards of rushing with no RBs? Against the no. 1 rushing defense in the league?

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754051)

The Seahawks have never had an offensive line and their receivers have always been a bunch of no-names,

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754004)

No one is trying to change any minds, just talk football. Y'all are just hyper-sensitive and defensive.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14754025)

Divisional games are tough, guys.

Chiefs beat Raiders 28-10 and 40-9.
Chiefs beat Broncos 30-6 and 23-3.

So are the Cardinals that much better than those teams? Because the Broncos were pretty good there at the end of the year. And the Raiders were a threat for the division in the middle of the season.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754051)

You should watch both games first then comment.

Or even better, go to chat up some knowledgeable Seahawk fans. The Seahawks have never had an offensive line and their receivers have always been a bunch of no-names, even when they were making Superbowls.

Besides, comparing the Seahawks to the Raiders is just funny. Y'all didn't smoke the Chargers. And the Seahawks and Rams world's better than all your division opponents.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14753991)

You have to catch them though. KC defense has not been great at finishing the catch on potential INT’s this season.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754074)

Curious that you didn't list the Chargers there.

Yes, the Cards are better than the Raiders and Broncos. They're a decent team just super inconsistent

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14753980)

Many of us 49ers fans who go to other teams forums do it to get a deeper knowledge of the game (or at least the perspective of fans of other teams). We've travelled to forums for the Saints, Packers, Seahawks etc but the experience here is different. Someone comes in saying "Hi, I'm a 49er fan. It should be a great game" and the response is "Eat a dick".

Which is just kinda funny,

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 14754107)

It is kinda funny. We think it is funny to tell people to eat a dick. We say shit that to each other. If you want a sterile, heavily moderated, dickless conversation where you are treated like a pussy, you came to the wrong place.

Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14754051)

You should watch both games first then comment.

Or even better, go to chat up some knowledgeable Seahawk fans. The Seahawks have never had an offensive line and their receivers have always been a bunch of no-names, even when they were making Superbowls.

Besides, comparing the Seahawks to the Raiders is just funny. Y'all didn't smoke the Chargers. And the Seahawks and Rams world's better than all your division opponents.

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 14754107)

It is kinda funny. We think it is funny to tell people to eat a dick. We say shit that to each other. If you want a sterile, heavily moderated, dickless conversation where you are treated like a pussy, you came to the wrong place.