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duncan_idaho 05-05-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9658757)
I'd say take a swing throwing in Bonifacio or Starling in maybe 2 or 3 games to see what he has if Frenchy is really really struggling, even Lough could come check in to see if he has anything to contribute.

No way. Neither is close to ready for major league pitching.

Rushing hitters to the majors is the surest way to mess them up.

Neither is close to advanced enough to hit in the major leagues. But would be much worse hitters on Day 1 than Frenchy.

KChiefs1 05-05-2013 10:03 AM

@JeffPassan
Why are teams legit scared of 15-10 KC? Danny Duffy, almost a year removed from Tommy John, is sitting 94-97. Could join rotation late June.

DJJasonp 05-05-2013 10:06 AM

Will be representing next monday in Anaheim. Been trying to figure out who will be on the bump for us then, but with all these rainouts, it's been tough.

Thinking it will be Santana or Guthrie.

Cant wait though.

KChiefs1 05-05-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9658650)
Read all that to learn Frenchy is useless. Thank you Captain Obvious.

I think the easy, quick & cheap fix would to acquire David DeJesus & platoon him with Frenchy. Bat DeJesus vs righties & Frenchy vs lefties...I'm sure someone here can give you the splits of both but that would work. I'd love to see them acquire Giancarlo Stanton, but I'm a dreamer!

KChiefs1 05-05-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 9658776)
Will be representing next monday in Anaheim. Been trying to figure out who will be on the bump for us then, but with all these rainouts, it's been tough.

Thinking it will be Santana or Guthrie.

Cant wait though.

I'll be at The K next weekend for the Yankee series!

Simplicity 05-05-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9658790)
I'll be at The K next weekend for the Yankee series!

Lucky. :clap:

Cephalic Trauma 05-05-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9657242)
I really, really hope you are joking.

I was serious.

Is he, like, good or something?

ChiliConCarnage 05-05-2013 10:49 AM

Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

Ebolapox 05-05-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 9658849)
Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

salvy wasn't really technically drafted, brah :p

ChiliConCarnage 05-05-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9658867)
salvy wasn't really technically drafted, brah :p

I know he was out of Venezuela but we picked him, developed him and he starts. We also, I'm assuming at gunpoint, got him to sign a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. I normally like it when my teams get a good deal but that's so pathetically low I almost want them to renegotiate and at least double it for him lol

Nightfyre 05-05-2013 03:54 PM

Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

Pitt Gorilla 05-05-2013 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 9658849)
Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

Nobody that knew anything about our minor league talent thought that Moore was a buffoon.

Edit: Also, Hosmer has been blistering the ball. Bad luck, right now.

kcchiefsus 05-05-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9660000)
Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

Their schedule is complete bullshit.

tredadda 05-05-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9660000)
Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

In due time we as well will get to face the vaunted Astros. Hopefully we don't fail to take advantage of that free gift.

Saul Good 05-05-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9660012)
Nobody that knew anything about our minor league talent thought that Moore was a buffoon.

Edit: Also, Hosmer has been blistering the ball. Bad luck, right now.

Hosmer had three soft hits yesterday...it all balances out.

On another note, Gordon and Cain look like All Stars. So does Escobar, for that matter.

KcMizzou 05-05-2013 04:20 PM

Anyone know if tonight's game will be televised?

Old Dog 05-05-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 9660077)
Anyone know if tonight's game will be televised?

there is no game tonight....

KcMizzou 05-05-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog (Post 9660083)
there is no game tonight....

Ah, I thought they had a double header to make up the rain out.

Saul Good 05-05-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 9660077)
Anyone know if tonight's game will be televised?

The game is on replay in a few minutes...

Old Dog 05-05-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 9660087)
Ah, I thought they had a double header to make up the rain out.

tomorrow @ 1:10, but it will be on the tube

ChiliConCarnage 05-05-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9660012)
Nobody that knew anything about our minor league talent thought that Moore was a buffoon.

Edit: Also, Hosmer has been blistering the ball. Bad luck, right now.

What minor league talent has produced yet? Bullpen guys sure but that's not what a cash limited team needs to develop to win.

As far as Hosmer, you can't get robbed if you hit it out of the park. He has a worse slug percentage than last year or even Chris Getz or Frenchy this year coming into the game. Hopefully he gets it going but bad BABIP type luck or not he's awful at this point.

Old Dog 05-05-2013 04:29 PM

Think I'm gonna go ahead and finally go to another game this weekend....Friday seems like a good one

Saul Good 05-05-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9660030)
In due time we as well will get to face the vaunted Astros. Hopefully we don't fail to take advantage of that free gift.

They are no hitting the Astros at the moment.

tredadda 05-05-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660104)
They are no hitting the Astros at the moment.

Verlander is and he is considered one of if not the best pitcher in baseball.

Saul Good 05-05-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9660112)
Verlander is and he is considered one of if not the best pitcher in baseball.

Jinxed

siberian khatru 05-05-2013 07:41 PM

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 5m
If PHI doesn't turn it around, Chase Utley could be one of the most interesting players on the trade market. KC, BAL great possible fits.

Hootie 05-05-2013 07:43 PM

Chase Utley in the 3 hole with Shields/Santana/Guthrie and Wade Davis back in the bullpen could be enough for us to do some SERIOUS damage. Especially if Santana keeps flashing ACE stuff like he has been.

chefsos 05-05-2013 07:55 PM

Philly's not going to turn it around, so we might as well start fighting over Utley right now.

C3HIEF3S 05-05-2013 08:06 PM

So what would you guys give up for a half year of Utley?

Shogun 05-05-2013 08:11 PM

a couple mid level prospects

Hootie 05-05-2013 08:11 PM

probably anyone

**** it, right?

Sure-Oz 05-05-2013 08:24 PM

Get Utley as quick as you can. I dont think he should cost the royals any major piece in the minors

Kidd Lex 05-05-2013 08:27 PM

Royals becoming bigger story than Chefs post draft...

Saul Good 05-05-2013 08:28 PM

Who here would undo the Myers/Shields trade?

CaliforniaChief 05-05-2013 08:29 PM

Yep, go get him now. Philly doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Kidd Lex 05-05-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660658)
Who here would undo the Myers/Shields trade?

Ask me in 2015

Prison Bitch 05-05-2013 08:44 PM

Hos and Moose have to step it up bigtime. They've been terrible at the plate. Our hitting with risp is winning games

Saul Good 05-05-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9660690)
Ask me in 2015

I'm asking now.

Prison Bitch 05-05-2013 08:47 PM

Why? This trade won't be analyzed in one month. I'd sure hope we'd be ahead one month in and taking on $13 million in salaries. Odorizzi did start today and contribute to a no hitter

CaliforniaChief 05-05-2013 08:47 PM

I'm happy with the trade. Pitching is king, and Shields is a kick-ass pitcher. I'll feel much better if we can add 2 years to his deal.

Jerm 05-05-2013 08:47 PM

I can't see us going after Utley but you talk about an ideal fit...wow...

lewdog 05-05-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9660655)
Royals becoming bigger story than Chefs post draft...

Who???

Saul Good 05-05-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9660698)
Why? This trade won't be analyzed in one month. I'd sure hope we'd be ahead one month in and taking on $13 million in salaries. Odorizzi did start today and contribute to a no hitter

Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Kidd Lex 05-05-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660707)
Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Fair point, but it's easy to sit and deem it a success at this moment, as our beloved Royals are on a roll. I still don't like the trade for the future, but I knew it would make us better in the short term, so I'm loving the best case scenario happening on cinco de mayo, 2013.

Shogun 05-05-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660707)
Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Love the trade, Myers may or may not work out. Davis,Johnson,Shields are helping us win now. Go Royals.

Kidd Lex 05-05-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun (Post 9660720)
Love the trade, Myers may or may not work out. Davis,Johnson,Shields are helping us win now. Go Royals.

Ill say this much, I underestimated Shields clubhouse presence.

alnorth 05-05-2013 09:06 PM

I don't know if I've gotten to the point where I'd say I would not undo the trade yet, but Wil's 102 AB so far this season is a data point in favor of the trade. Yeah its a fraction of a minor league season, but his power has fallen off and he's striking out at a higher rate than ever now.

Saul Good 05-05-2013 09:08 PM

To me, the trade seems to be a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This team has a swagger. They fight for 27 outs. The starters grind when they don't have it, and they dominate when they do. The middle relievers shorten the games. The closer(s) slam the door. Even the long relievers keep us in games.

Our hitters are spoiling tough two strike pitches, shooting outside pitches the other way, and generally go to the plate with a plan every time.

Maybe I'm giving Shields too much credit, and he isn't solely responsible for all of it, but the trade signifies a change in attitude/expectations, and Shields seems to have the perfect mentality for this team.

tk13 05-05-2013 09:18 PM

If Odorizzi makes it good for him. I don't think I'd regret the trade because of him. It's Myers that will make it look stupid. Although as mentioned his numbers aren't quite as dominant in AAA so far. Maybe he's finally getting bored with playing down there.

Demonpenz 05-05-2013 09:21 PM

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Coach 05-05-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9660726)
Ill say this much, I underestimated Shields clubhouse presence.

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...Vln.St.81.jpeg

tk13 05-05-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9660762)
anyone know how to take chiefsplanet off of mobile?
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Get on a computer.

Shogun 05-05-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9660762)
anyone know how to take chiefsplanet off of mobile?
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change the skin?

Coach 05-05-2013 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9660762)
anyone know how to take chiefsplanet off of mobile?
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Smash your hammer on your mobile.

Demonpenz 05-05-2013 09:23 PM

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Demonpenz 05-05-2013 09:23 PM

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Shogun 05-05-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9660773)
yeah How do you change the skin?
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either bottom of the page or in your user cp

Demonpenz 05-05-2013 09:31 PM

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duncan_idaho 05-05-2013 09:33 PM

I was initially not happy with the trade (largely because of the extra pieces and my initial underestimation of Wade Davis' value vs. Odorizzi and the extra pieces).

I changed my mind after a little bit of time (and after evaluating some of the concerns about Wil Myers). I think the first post in this thread is about that, actually.

KC still needs to make the playoffs either this year or next OR get better production from Davis in the rotation over the course of that contract than the Rays get from Odorizzi. If they don't make the playoffs and Davis doesn't work out as a starter, the trade fails.

I still think Myers is an all-star level guy in MLB, but I'm pretty convinced at this point he is more a righthanded Jay Bruce than Ryan Braun light.

My feelings about Utley are clear. Make it happen!

Hootie 05-05-2013 09:38 PM

so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

ChiefsCountry 05-05-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9660799)
so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

27

Hootie 05-05-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9660804)
27

I figured that to be the answer ROFL

I've always been curious as a KC fan. We never win shit...

so say we lucked into a Super Bowl next year (lol, I know right)...

how fun would that be? Does Denver still enjoy their run in the late 90s? Does it help ease the pain of 2 win seasons?

I feel like I'd enjoy the hell out of that ride but I'd rather build a team like NE who is in it every ****ing year and lose the final game 9 times out of 10 then win 1 Super Bowl and go back to being mediocre.

it has to be a blast to be a NE fan

even though I hate all of those ****ers especially the ones who post on CP

Al Bundy 05-05-2013 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9660809)
I figured that to be the answer ROFL

I've always been curious as a KC fan. We never win shit...

so say we lucked into a Super Bowl next year (lol, I know right)...

how fun would that be? Does Denver still enjoy their run in the late 90s? Does it help ease the pain of 2 win seasons?

I feel like I'd enjoy the hell out of that ride but I'd rather build a team like NE who is in it every ****ing year and lose the final game 9 times out of 10 then win 1 Super Bowl and go back to being mediocre.

it has to be a blast to be a NE fan

even though I hate all of those ****ers especially the ones who post on CP

I still enjoy the 2002 Superbowl year.

alnorth 05-05-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9660799)
so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

Well, since there's 30 MLB teams, every team is "due" for a win every 30 years. It obviously doesn't work out that way, but if we win once every 25 or so years, thats probably good.

I've got "pretty decent every other year but never win the big game" already with the chiefs. I'll take "suck for a couple decades, then win it all", especially since I've already watched the team through the first part of that plan.

Prison Bitch 05-05-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660707)
Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

They were wrong to do that.

DeezNutz 05-05-2013 11:01 PM

WS ring would be worth at least a five-year high.

AussieChiefsFan 05-05-2013 11:37 PM

Detroit's 4 game series with Houston is finally over. Time to retake 1st place.

Archie F. Swin 05-06-2013 05:45 AM

I understand these guys being pumped after a win, but if someone gets hurt while celebrating a win....that will be uber-lame.

Saul Good 05-06-2013 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9660868)
They were wrong to do that.

Why? A discussion board where people only evaluate things via post-mortems would be pretty lame.

Jerm 05-06-2013 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9660799)
so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

If I'm lucky to see one World Series win in my lifetime I'd be ok with that...

duncan_idaho 05-06-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9661010)
I understand these guys being pumped after a win, but if someone gets hurt while celebrating a win....that will be uber-lame.

Kendrys Morales' severely broken leg (And resulting limp) agree with you.

PunkinDrublic 05-06-2013 07:13 AM

Drove up from Dallas yesterday. Staying at a buddies house in Overland Park. Really stoked to be going to the game today. **** I've missed being up here. I could see myself moving back.

Archie F. Swin 05-06-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 9661064)
Drove up from Dallas yesterday. Staying at a buddies house in Overland Park. Really stoked to be going to the game today. **** I've missed being up here. I could see myself moving back.

I'll probably buy tix for one of the Royals @ Rangers games. My daughter really wants to see Darvish, but I'd rather see the Royals win :) .

Archie F. Swin 05-06-2013 07:59 AM

not Royals related but baseball. Prince Fielder argues a strike out call TWICE in the same game, and gets nothing more than the stink eye from the home plate ump. Yet, in a different game, Bryce Harper strikes out on a check swing called strike three, argues the call and then gets tossed by the third base ump.

weird stuff
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

tredadda 05-06-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9660699)
I'm happy with the trade. Pitching is king, and Shields is a kick-ass pitcher. I'll feel much better if we can add 2 years to his deal.

The highlighted point is spot on. SF has won two of the past three WSs precisely because of that. Their offense is good, but nowhere nar dominating. Their SPs from #1-#5 are the best in baseball. This why they dominated two offensive powerhouses in Texas and Detroit.

tredadda 05-06-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9660733)
To me, the trade seems to be a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This team has a swagger. They fight for 27 outs. The starters grind when they don't have it, and they dominate when they do. The middle relievers shorten the games. The closer(s) slam the door. Even the long relievers keep us in games.

Our hitters are spoiling tough two strike pitches, shooting outside pitches the other way, and generally go to the plate with a plan every time.

Maybe I'm giving Shields too much credit, and he isn't solely responsible for all of it, but the trade signifies a change in attitude/expectations, and Shields seems to have the perfect mentality for this team.

Shields is a major reason our opening day starter last year, Hoch, is now in the bullpen where he belongs and not starting games for us.

alnorth 05-06-2013 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9660934)
Detroit's 4 game series with Houston is finally over. Time to retake 1st place.

Unfortunately, Detroit plays those useless F'ing Astros 3 more times this week. After that, it'll be over, and we'll have all our Houston games ahead of us.

WhawhaWhat 05-06-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9661169)
not Royals related but baseball. Prince Fielder argues a strike out call TWICE in the same game, and gets nothing more than the stink eye from the home plate ump. Yet, in a different game, Bryce Harper strikes out on a check swing called strike three, argues the call and then gets tossed by the third base ump.

weird stuff
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

I wonder if Harper has any kind of track record with the ump at 3rd. Seems like he didn't really do much to show him up. Fielder on the other hand did everything he could to get tossed and the ump just takes it. Odd indeed.

Archie F. Swin 05-06-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9661218)
I wonder if Harper has any kind of track record with the ump at 3rd. Seems like he didn't really do much to show him up. Fielder on the other hand did everything he could to get tossed and the ump just takes it. Odd indeed.


apparently, Harper tossed his hat and helmet.

Sannyasi 05-06-2013 08:27 AM

Its time to start aiming for the wild card. Detroit's pitching is absolutely monstrous this year.


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