Originally Posted by Lilmrp117 (Post 14721901)

First, thank you for your intelligent reply as opposed to Mega's very insightful "stupid" comment.

Second, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether this philosophy of Andy's is a feature or bug. There are certain situations where you need to be both smart and quick at the same time, and if you fail to do one or the other, then you lose. If Andy cannot get effective plays in quickly enough, especially when I've witnessed other coaches be able to do it (Belichick has used an array of speeds from slow to quick no-huddle to his advantage many times), then to me that's a flaw compared to other great coaches. Calling an effective play and getting a play off quickly are not two mutually exclusive things. This is what andy fails to realize and what other great coaches have been able to do successfully.

Wouldn't you agree that it gives your team an advantage if you can get effective plays called in and do it quickly at the same time? I'm not saying it's easy to do, otherwise belichick and other great coaches wouldn't be so special, but it certainly can be done and has been by other great coaches.

When you have the ball on offense, you can dictate the pace and manipulate the clock to your advantage. Andy basically forfeits this important tool every game with his backwards philosophy. For example, the chargers loss last year where he could have ran more clock and left the chargers with less time to come back. However, Andy, either because his plays are too complicated and he needed a stop to figure things out or because his players needed to "calm down", had to stop the clock to get the right play in.

I'm not looking to be contrarian on Reid. I've witnessed his philosophy bite him in the ass numerous times over 2 decades. Like I said, I think we can win a super bowl despite it, but historically, he has not had good luck in finishing a season with a super bowl with his philosophy. The history seems to be on my side in this debate and I think common sense is as well. There are always exceptions where things change so I'm hoping this year is one of those times.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14722033)

Sorry, let me be more precise. Your and idiot.

That reeruned "clock management" issue that you keep harping on, without a shred of evidence or data to back up your claims, was blown completely out of the water yesterday, or weren't you sharp enough to see it right there in front of your face?

In the 2nd quarter, Andy calls a quick drive after the great kick return to score at about 9:55 remaining in the half.

The defense gets the ball back to him and he runs another quick drive and scores another TD in near-record time, leaving more than 6 minutes on the clock.

We get the ball back again, and Andy calls yet a third drive that scores in an NFL playoff record time of 3:23 seconds.

And then when he gets the ball back a fourth time, he calls a final TD scoring drive while leaving the Texans about a half a minute on the clock.

That's the greatest "clock management" performance you've ever seen, dipstick.

Write it down. Staple it to your forehead.

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117 (Post 14722292)

How much of an asshole do you have to be to respond to a simple football debate the way you do when i never called you any names or were rude to you? The clock management issue never came into play yesterday since the game was a blowout. You're not even addressing the issue im talking about or that the article i quoted talked about - probably bc you're too stupid to keep up. Then again, you probably dismissed the whole article as "coachspeak" even though andy and a ton of people he worked with all say it's a deliberate philosophy. If you're too stupid to follow the conversation, then you may as well stay out of it. Posting "stupid" adds nothing jerkoff.

Go back and read DJLN's reply to my post, print it out and staple that to your forehead you ****ing mouthbreather bc that's how you intelligently discuss football.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14722033)

Sorry, let me be more precise. Your and idiot.

That reeruned "clock management" issue that you keep harping on, without a shred of evidence or data to back up your claims, was blown completely out of the water yesterday, or weren't you sharp enough to see it right there in front of your face?

In the 2nd quarter, Andy calls a quick drive after the great kick return to score at about 9:55 remaining in the half.

The defense gets the ball back to him and he runs another quick drive and scores another TD in near-record time, leaving more than 6 minutes on the clock.

We get the ball back again, and Andy calls yet a third drive that scores in an NFL playoff record time of 3:23 seconds.

And then when he gets the ball back a fourth time, he calls a final TD scoring drive while leaving the Texans about a half a minute on the clock.

That's the greatest "clock management" performance you've ever seen, dipstick.

Write it down. Staple it to your forehead.

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117 (Post 14720997)

I know this article was mentioned in its own thread, but I think it makes more sense in this thread's discussion. This article details the exact flaw that I am most concerned with. It's not that Andy just goofs on the clock sometimes, or what we have been calling "clock management." It's that he has a philosophy where he ****s up the clock ON PURPOSE.

The article mentions how Reid uses his timeouts like in basketball to calm down everyone and he takes a slower pace to make sure they get the play right, but football is not basketball and this is a stupid strategy that has backfired again and again. Football is not continous play like basketball - there are breaks between plays. Football coaches shouldn't have to call timeouts to "calm" players or get the right play called.

Also, his slower pace and timeouts give the D a chance to calm down and reset as well at a time when the offense could be dictating the pace and tiring the D out and using the time to its advantage in some cases. But Andy is so stubborn and he thinks he's such a great playcaller that he can just call a better play than the D and that this will outweigh any time advantage. This is why we lost that chargers game last year that's mentioned in the article as one example of how this approach backfires a lot.

What the best coaches do is that they practice and plan for these situations ahead of time so that when the situation comes up, they can just call a play and expect the players to be professional and execute it without needing their poor little nerves calmed down. Good teams do this all the time, but reid is so stubborn he sticks with this misguided philosophy of sacrificing timeouts and taking too long.

Before people slam me for criticizing reid after a nice win, just remember that I said that I think we will still win the bowl despite this flaw and i still think andy is a great coach. If we keep scoring like yesterday, then clock management won't even come into play. But this flaw in reid's game management is still lurking. I just hope it doesn't bite his ass again.

By the way, I'm not blaming andy for the poor start yesterday. kelce, robinson, and tyreek should know they need to catch the ball in their hands.

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14722537)

I am agreeing with most of what you said. But I do think that Andy could have managed the clock a little better on the final drive of the half. First and goal and 3 straight passes left time on the clock for Houston to get I to field goal range. Just one run could have bled the clock down to nearly nothing. But that's just nitpicking. It worked out.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14724782)

Winning this week is for Clark

Winning Miami is for Andy

Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 14720584)

Guys



Marty would have coached it better, since he is apparently arguably better

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14725026)

Yes, Marty Schottenheimer is arguably a better coach than Andy Reid. The word arguably doesn't mean what several people on CP think it means, apparently.

Saying that Marty is arguably better than Andy means it could be argued. What he accomplished in Cleveland, Kansas City, and San Diego given the state of those teams when he took over, is more impressive than what Reid did in Philly and Kansas City.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14725026)

Which of these records belongs to Andy Reid?

200–126–1 (.613)
207–128–1 (.618)

Yes, Marty Schottenheimer is arguably a better coach than Andy Reid. The word arguably doesn't mean what several people on CP think it means, apparently.

Saying that Marty is arguably better than Andy means it could be argued. What he accomplished in Cleveland, Kansas City, and San Diego given the state of those teams when he took over, is more impressive than what Reid did in Philly and Kansas City.

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