I can't see what he's doing off the field but when a team says that and then signs Watson.....

;)

You question their judgment too.

Baker need to grow up and do some soul searching. He’s got some talent, but not as much as he thinks he does. Maybe he will mature. Maybe not.

I probably would question their judgement if Baker wasn’t already notorious for being an immature douche.

My friend who is a Packers fan has told me Favre stories. Baker is a lightweight douche.

Word is Chiefs and Cowboys are both pushing for Z. Smith.

I though about that earlier and think it’s a double edged sword.

1) that can absolutely be used to save money on this years cap.
2) it pushes money into next years cap that we really can’t afford to do for players that aren’t “clean”.

And I really don’t see him agreeing to that.

I’d rather have Jameis, too.

Well, I’m not sure he has many choices at this point.

He’s a massive risk in many ways for anyone looking to sign him.

He could play 1 game and never play again.

If it’s us or Dallas (which I don’t believe) and Dallas just cut Collins and Cooper to save against the cap, what sense would it make for them to get in a bidding war for a pass rusher with a broken neck?

I figured it would be difficult to trade him regardless after this, but now they want teams to take on the contract and man what team is gonna take Baker w/18m cap hit

Vikings brought him in for a visit. So they’re interested as well.

Yeah, and they just gave Danielle Hunter $18Million so maybe their discretion should not be trusted or used to quantify any decision about player's injuries. :shrug: If both of those guys went down that would decimate their DL.

Baker is a douchebag baby. His arm is weak as hell and he acts like he's some all world tough guy that can will himself to make plays. He sucks and will never win anything. He literally drove his two best WRs out of town.

OBJ never wanted to be in Cleveland and didn't play out, that's on him. Landry did what he normally did went all out. He was cut, wtf did that have to do with Baker?

Yeah, if those 3 were my only options, I'm running to the podium to take Jimmy G. Wentz and Mayfield may be the same guy so I'll take Wentz to not have to deal with the attitude.

I’d laugh my ass off if the Vikings sign Smith after giving all that money to Hunter.

They deserve their result, good or bad with that move because it would be a MASSIVE gamble. I’m a big gambler and I wouldn’t take that risk.

They just know that their ONLY chance at a Super Bowl with Cousins is to have a full blown elite team around him, so chances need taken.

Every time my wife hears about the 2 OU QB’s she says they need therapy asap.

True confidence looks like Patrick Mahomes

Everything. Baker makes shit reads and he didn't get the ball. Winning makes everything better. They didn't win, its Bakers fault and OBJ wanted out. Did he complain in LA. Nope.

This incentive game seems clever, but how is it different to giving someone a 2 year contract with a void year?

He's actually a lot worse than both.

Yup. He's a loser. Bust.

Because then that money is effectively guaranteed.

The incentive game serves the same cap function but also gives you protection in the event he can't answer the bell.

And while I don't know exactly what his guarantees in Baltimore were, there's a good chance he's left substantial sums of guaranteed money on the table. I don't think anyone left at this dance is going to guarantee him anything close to what he was expecting.

The Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl.

**** you if you disagree.

Surely a healthy Baker would beat out Lock. It’s an interesting question though.


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I love it. Need a few of you in my FF leagues every year.

I'll buy when you sell.

Yeah baker's best chance may be to swallow his pride and work with the team to play the first few games (assuming Watson gets suspended) with the thought the browns can move him at the trade deadline. Shrug. I don't know. What a weird offseason.

Yeah there’s at least 5-7 NFL GMs out there that are dumb enough to do it.


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Agree, proper incentives make sense for a player with injury concerns, I thought the implication in the post I quoted was that you could manipulate the year 1 cap for Smith too via relatively low bar incentives that are still "NLTBE"

What are "many" saying, exactly?

Start laughing.


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Anthony Barr is an interesting thought it would just have to be at the right price. Been a 4-3 Sam and he would do that here but could he rotate some snaps at the Leo/rush end is the question. Not a big sack guy but might be an interesting piece. In his first stint as Giants DC Spags had DE Mathias Kiwinuka playing Sam LB off the ball at 6’5 260.

So I saw Atlanta signed Mariota.

Honestly, if I were a franchise in the position of going through a rebuild and didn't have a QB (like many teams out there) Mariota would have been my first choice rather than giving up a ****ing draft pick for someone like Wentz.

No, he probably won't stay healthy, and he might not even be good at all, but I need somebody to at least project the illusion that I give a shit. Washington rolling with Heinecke last year was an absolute abortion of an idea, because now they're putting eggs in the Wentz basket and continuing to underwhelm fan expectations.

It's a good recipe for getting ****ing fired if you're the GM or Ron Rivera.

Hearing that Dallas is offering a one year $17M deal for ZaDarius Smith.

I don’t see how we’re affording this guy unless it’s a multi year deal that has a low year one cap hit. And I’m hoping they don’t do that.

Isn’t Watson gonna get a suspension though? Maybe they need Baker to play while Watson is out?

That's big money and likely to be well out of our range.

Why would Baker do that?

That's bound to blow up Dallas' face.

A DE with a bad back who sucks against the run for 17M? I'm good off that.

Also remember Olivier Vernon plans to play after missing all of last year recovering from the Achilles tear late in the 2020 season.

He wouldn't unless he thinks he will play awsome and a team will want him.

Yep. That's essentially what Dee Ford would have made playing on the tag. It's too much for a guy that might not play.

The only way to get Smith at this point, it seems, would be to offer him a longer-term deal, which you don't want to do with a back injury.

So screw it, just don't sign him at all. Not worth it.

I don't think I'd give him anything more than 2 years either

$17M in 2022 spending is probably enough to sign Kyzir White, one of Arden Key/Lorenzo Carter/Derek Barnett, and bring back Melvin Ingram.

If KC can pull off something like that before the draft, it is in fantastic shape.

There are likely minimal guarantees built into that number.

I’d give him that kind of a deal in a second.

5m guaranteed.

500k for every sack after the 5th sack of the season (first 5 sacks are free)
An additional 350k for every sack after 10 sacks are reached.
200k for each TFL
750k for each forced or recovered fumble
150k in per active game day roster bonuses
750k per postseason sack

So if he plays 15 games and gets 15 regular season sacks and 3 more in the postseason. His pay could get up there really quick.

And most of it would be NLTBE.

2nd year team option for his full earned amount to also be a base salary for 2023.

That’s the “bet on yourself” contract.

He’s under contract, and could be attempting to show teams he’s worth the risk while getting paid?

The #Lions are signing CB Mike Hughes to a one-year, $3.5M contract, per source.

He already demanded a trade and that was before they traded for Watson. He isn’t playing another snap in Cleveland.

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Excellent value for them.

I was hoping he would come back for another year.

Yeah, DAL is stupid enough to do that. Landing Smith instead of us would be Jerrruh's ersonal Super Bowl

I have a feeling that Smith is going to the Vikings.

Derek Barnett had a top 10 pressure rate for a DE. Just didn’t end up with a lot of sacks. I’d bring him in if he’s decently cheap.

What the hell is going on with Melvin Ingram?

He isn’t the type of player that signs in the first couple of weeks. Dude will probably wait until after the draft to sign with anyone.

He didn't sign until late last year either. It's just him.

Good riddance

I wonder if older guys like Ingram & Dunlap wait closer to camp to sign somewhere

Funny if you go to chiefs.com and look at the roster, you will see Andrew Billings listed.
https://www.chiefs.com/team/players-...drew-billings/

BUT

He's on the Las Vegas Raiders actually.

His NFL career -

Cincinnati Bengals (2016–2019)
Cleveland Browns (2020–2021)
Miami Dolphins (2021)*
Kansas City Chiefs (2021)*
Las Vegas Raiders (2022–present)
* Offseason and/or practice squad member only

They can skip OTAs and minicamp if they wait

Same thing with DE Joe Jackson. He’s got a similar build to rasheem green and the long arms. Just hasn’t played much and needs coached up. Would have been a solid futures signing. But like Billings he went elsewhere. Jackson went to the panthers. Some of that could be the advice of the agent that they are stearing them away from KC if they think they would have a better chance to make a 53 elsewhere. Or KC didn’t like what they saw in either the week or two they were on the ps.

Darwin Thompson is still listed on chiefs.com roster but he signed a future deal in Seattle. (Thankfully) They just haven’t updated the roster removing them
He came to the ps same time as Johnson Jackson and Billings

I think if an NFL team made either of them a good $$$ offer, they would jump on it.

But they can wait and see which team makes them the best offer that might include.

1. A winning team.
2. Decent money.
3. A chance to play and contribute to the team.

I figure Melvin Ingram is the Chiefs backup plan if their other plans don't work.

Of course we can just trade for him later if he signs somewhere else. :rolleyes:

he doesnt like otas and training camp lol

Yeah he was signed for like 1 practice or something kinda weird. Was hoping we were taking him to camp he's nothing spectacular but maybe a depth guy? Oh well.

So is Drew Lock going to start for SEA now that Watson's joining the Browns? ...AND they have no plans to trade either WR?

Lol

Geno Smith snd Drew Lock competing to be the starter?

They should pick up Baker

Seattle is working on their 2022 plan right now.

Trying to decide if they go full tank mode and compete with the Atlanta Falcons for that honor. They might trade away anybody of value if they go that way.

What a strange player.

For one game he was the best corner the Chiefs had. And frankly in that one game he probably played the best game by a Chiefs corner all season.

I won't miss him - but if someone can ever get some consistency out of the guy, he had as much raw talent as any DB on the roster. He just too frequently didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground...

He's a guy (like White) that I'd overpay over his 'present' market to lock him in for 3 years.

I think both of those guys can be signed to contracts that they vastly outperform over a couple of seasons. It's the sort of thing I'd have liked to have done with guys like Ogbah.

Get a little term in place when their at a semi-low point in their value. Now they obviously won't sign for multiple years at their 'make good deal' price point. But if you beat that by a little but less than you'd have to pay in an 'up' market for them, you'll be in real nice shape.

And all it would take for that market to form for either of those guys is for Barnett to turn 3-4 more of those pressures into sacks or for White to have one more year exactly like the one he just had.

These are DAMN good buy low candidates with some long-term upside we could bake in.

Don’t tell me you had a hard on for Billings like DJ had for that Fangupo guy

Look here, guy with Herb Taylor in your avatar. I will not take shit for my adoration of Hebron...

They'll draft somebody as well.

Let’s go waaayyyy outside the box….down the street into a spacex rocket and go into space.

Trade 30 and to Seattle for DK AND picks 109 and 145.

It’s like the modern/offense version of Buddy Ryans 4-6. You completely overload the passing game with no way for the opposing defense to have enough talent to cover it all.

The cap space comes from the Orlando and Tyreek extensions.

Mahomes
Hill
DK
Juju
Hardman
Kelce

I’m honestly not sure how any defense in history could defend that.

That would give us a bunch of picks to make the defense pretty damn special in its own right, too…outside of maybe picking a speed back in the mid rounds…maybe Dalvin Cooks brother.


Hold it in just a little longer….




Ok, exhale

Those futures contracts are cheap we need some bodies some consistent depth on the line would be nice

Trade 30 and what?

I’d for sure give Barnett a 2-3 year deal with some incentives built in. He’s young and may still realize his potential. Then if you can get one in the draft….you could bring in Ingram or Dunlap after the draft if you don’t like where the group is. Just keep rotating guys to keep them fresh throughout the season. Plus you’ve got Barnett for when Clark is gone next season.

Well he's entering his 5th year so I think the train is leaving the station. Side note: I'm glad UCF is finally joining a real conference-ish. Those players and coaches from that school win alot of games with a bunch of 3* who are simply more athletic than the other schools they play and the value gets inflated. No way Hughes gets taken in the first round if he's playing in a more competitive conference.